Vote Madara vs Edo Rinnegan Madara

[Icelerate]

EMS Madara wins with low-mid difficulty. Edo Madara doesn't have the firepower to bust EMS Madara's PS whereas EMS Madara with the Kyuubi has sufficient firepower to destroy Edo Madara's. Rikudo Madara's meteors got sliced up by Rikudo Sasuke with ease so perfect susanoo sword slashes from non Rikudo Madara slice apart edo Madara's meteors if we downscale both equally. Preta path won't help as preta path will end up absorbing susanoo so it can only be used without susanoo but without susanoo, EMS Madara slices Edo Madara with shockwaves from PS which can't be absorbed.

Susanoo clones, mokuton clones, katons and everything else is a non factor for obvious reasons.

 

[Omar19992010]

Preta Path can absorb a Bijuu Dama if it doesn't go off but the problem is that it takes too much time.

 

[ARGUS]

VOTE madara wrecks him

--PS-Kyuubi eradicates everything in edo madaras arsenal. Including his PS. Which stands no chance against the extra firepower boost that the kyuubi gives

--Base mokutons and preta path are not doing shit. Especially when PS-TBB vaporise the mokutoms like butter and preta path not being used through susanoo means that it's not doing shit either

--tengai shinsei is also a fodder attack against the firepower of PS-Kyuubi. As madara vaporizes it with TBB or cleaves it with PS

 

[ShinjuMadara]

I lol'd. What even...

I lol'd at you. Did you even read the manga? Looks like you know nothing about Naruto lol lol lol rofl rofl rofl

 

[Transcendence]

EMS Madara wins with mid difficulty at most.

 

[Unorthodox]

VOTE madara stomps and ofcourse Dimitri hates Vote Mad this was obvious since he was know as the all famous Madara rules troll

 

[lanakui8]

The two paragraphs besides the middle have already been discussed by me and another(s) member(s).

then it should be easy for you to address those two paragraphs.

If Kurama is handling the wood-style techniques, then he isn't exerting a force against the Almighty Push besides standing up-right. Naruto was able to because he was running full speed and pushed a bunch of chakra against it. If Madara is using the Perfect Susano'o to attack the core, then that means it isn't on Kurama, which presents a different scenario than to what I was thinking, so I'd have to state another situation. Yes, of course Kurama could destroy a core.

Why can't kurama handle madara's wood techniques while exerting a force against almight push? Naruto didn't reflect ST because he was running, he reflected it by bracing himself with his tails. Kurama does the same and sends it right back at madara.

I'm still waiting for your explanation as to how madara uses mokuton that would do anything to 100% Kurama being controlled by EMS madara while simultaneously using rinnegan techs.

Why in the world can't madara's PS attack the core while it's on kurama?

 

[Xlad]

VOTE Madara wins.

- None of Edo Madara's Mokuton can do shit against KyuuSusanoo. Shinnsusenju is the only one that can do so.
- The meteor itself is practically a suicide technique. That would mean Edo Madara has to kill himself in order to use it, which he won't.
- Kabuto's statement doesn't have weight since like NxM said, it only refers to Madara's abilities alone.
- Edo Madara resort to using PS to fight against Hashirama's Myojin, meaning that the Rinnegan Techniques were inferior to begin with. There is also the fact he said the PS was his full power.
- KyuuSusanno destructive feats shits on his Mokuton and his other Rinnegan Techniques.

 

[Conspirator.]

VOTE Madara shitstomps Edo Madara.

-Madara himself called PS his "full power", so it takes a dump on his meteor jutsu, his other rinnegan techs, and mokuton.
-PS+Kurama's destructive feats shit on Edo Madara's feats. Think of it like this: Hashirama was fighting on par with Edo Madara's PS with SM Mokujin, however he needed to the Buddha statue to face off against Madara's Kyususanoo. Hence, the difference between VOTE Madara and EDO Madara's maximum power is the difference between SM mokujin and the Buddha. That is massive.
-Rikudo Sasukes PS carved up JJ Madara's CT satellites, so VOTE madara's does the same to Edo Madara's inferior meteors.
-All of Edo madara's mokuton is fodder to PS+Kurama, when Hashirama needed the Buddha to fight on par with it.
-Preta path cannot be used with Susanoo properly as Madara stated against the kages. Subsequently, a bijuu dama/ps blade barrage busts open Madara's PS, and kills him. If he absorbs the bijuu dama without PS protecting him, a PS slash shreds him.
-Edo madara has no feats of using limbo, which is the only reason Rinnegan alive madara is above VOTE madara.

Overall, VOTE madara wins low to mid diff.

 

[Holy God]

then it should be easy for you to address those two paragraphs.


Why can't kurama handle madara's wood techniques while exerting a force against almight push? Naruto didn't reflect ST because he was running, he reflected it by bracing himself with his tails. Kurama does the same and sends it right back at madara.

I'm still waiting for your explanation as to how madara uses mokuton that would do anything to 100% Kurama being controlled by EMS madara while simultaneously using rinnegan techs.

Why in the world can't madara's PS attack the core while it's on kurama?

Before I explain, I need you to answer something. Does EMS Madara also defeat Rinnegan Sasuke? Simply because Sasuke doesn't have the firepower or defense?

 

[KameSennin]

Edo Rinnegan Madara

 

[Demonic.]

Before I explain, I need you to answer something. Does EMS Madara also defeat Rinnegan Sasuke? Simply because Sasuke doesn't have the firepower or defense?

Stop acting retarded. Rinnegan Sasuke is on another tier. Go ahead explain, this should be good.

Before you embarrass yourself you should take a look of the scan where Madara says PS is his strongest technique. So if you think PS > PS + Kurama, proceed.

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[Brother Numpsay]

Yes, yes. But when trying to find out who is more powerful it gets in the way. If VOTE Madara obliterates Edo Madra, only to have Edo Madara regenerate, it clearly proves VOTE Madara is more powerful .

Theres no way EMS is going to obliterate Edo Madara. Having regeneration helps wipe the map clean with high scaling attacks, without holding back of hurting himself. Taking that away cripples himself of using high scale firepower himself.

Same reason stated above. If Edo Madara needs to take control of Kurama with Genjutsu to win, it means he isn't powerful enough to take Vote Madara down.

If we are arguing who has more firepower, then the answer it obvious. If you are arguing who is the superior version of each other then the answer should have been pretty clear.

Firepower doesn't always mean superiority.

Then see my other response about it being an inconsistency. Naruto was ball of of equal size and equal power, so had to have weighed the same, it can't be the same in size and strength if it was heavier, not to mention if it weighed more, it would have plowed through the other Bijuu's, but instead, by hitting the bottom of it, they cancel each other out and then shoot upwards.

We never seen naruto charge it above his head, where we usually see how much weight the tbb is. Even then, the tbb both Naruto and 5 Buijuu's weren't their standard buijuudama's.

 

[KidGamer65]

We never seen naruto charge it above his head, where we usually see how much weight the tbb is. Even then, the tbb both Naruto and 5 Buijuu's weren't their standard buijuudama's.

The same goes for pretty much every Bijuu, nor is that not being their standards relevant to the main point I was trying to make, which was inconsistency being a probable factor.

 

[Demonic.]

Theres no way EMS is going to obliterate Edo Madara. Having regeneration helps wipe the map clean with high scaling attacks, without holding back of hurting himself. Taking that away cripples himself of using high scale firepower himself.

You don't understand the point of this thread is to find out who is more powerful. Edo regeneration gets in the way, sure Edo Madara beats EMS Madara because he's an EDO and can't die. Happy? That doesn't mean Edo Madara is more powerful than Vote Madara.

But, I'm trying to find out who is more powerful so I restricted the edo regeneration and the fact is Vote Madara blows him to hell with a barrage of TBB's.

If we are arguing who has more firepower, then the answer it obvious. If you are arguing who is the superior version of each other then the answer should have been pretty clear.

Firepower doesn't always mean superiority.

Obviously the only reason I think Vote Madara > Edo Madara is because of Kurama but that's what makes him superior to Edo Madara. Firepower doesn't always mean superiority but it does in this situation as all of Edo Madara's Mokuton and Rinnegan techniques aren't helping him here against Vote Madara.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The same goes for pretty much every Bijuu, nor is that not being their standards relevant to the main point I was trying to make, which was inconsistency being a probable factor.

Not every Buijuu has done that. Cratering the ground = carries more weight then the caster. If it doesn't then its less then or same weight as the caster. Thats how I see it.

You don't understand the point of this thread is to find out who is more powerful. Edo regeneration gets in the way, sure Edo Madara beats EMS Madara because he's an EDO and can't die. Happy? That doesn't mean Edo Madara is more powerful than Vote Madara.

If you give EMS seals as a conditions then I would consider a fair fight.

Obviously the only reason I think Vote Madara > Edo Madara is because of Kurama but that's what makes him superior to Edo Madara. Firepower doesn't always mean superiority but it does in this situation as all of Edo Madara's Mokuton and Rinnegan techniques aren't helping him here against Vote Madara.

Well I disagree with that statement that his Rinnegan techs aren't helping. And Mokuton Bushins definitely help for multiple Petra Paths.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not every Buijuu has done that. Cratering the ground = carries more weight then the caster. If it doesn't then its less then or same weight as the caster. Thats how I see it.

Which, according to you, is because they haven't held it above themselves like the 5 Bijuu did. Which is also your reasoning for why Naruto didn't sink into the ground after forming that Bijuu Dama. What Bijuu has charged up their standard Bijuu Dama, above their heads like KN4 and the 5 Bijuu did? None. So by your logic, them not sinking is explained, meaning there is no reason not to believe that those Bijuu Dama weigh more than they do.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Which, according to you, is because they haven't held it above themselves like the 5 Bijuu did. Which is also your reasoning for why Naruto didn't sink into the ground after forming that Bijuu Dama. What Bijuu has charged up their standard Bijuu Dama, above their heads like KN4 and the 5 Bijuu did? None. So by your logic, them not sinking is explained, meaning there is no reason not to believe that those Bijuu Dama weigh more than they do.

Im trying my best to interpret your post. Are we talking about standard buijuudamas here or not? Cause so far the only times a Buijuudama actually sink the Buijuus is when it carry it above their heads and weights more then them. If the TBB doesn't do that, then that can leave up the the interpretation that it carries more weight while your arguing that its just inconsistency. Theres no denying the part that a bigger Buijuudama automatically means it carries more weight then them. What I am arguing is a standard version hasn't shown to weight the caster down, when it came to full bm versions.

 

[KidGamer65]

Im trying my best to interpret your post. Are we talking about standard buijuudamas here or not?

Yes, we are.

Cause so far the only times a Buijuudama actually sink the Buijuus is when it carry it above their heads and weights more then them.

And like I said, you can't use this as evidence for the standard Bijuu Dama not weighing more, because no Bijuu has ever been shown charging a standard Bijuu Dama above their heads.

If the TBB doesn't do that, then that can leave up the the interpretation that it carries more weight while your arguing that its just inconsistency.

Nope. I was arguing that the large one not causing Naruto to sink while it did that to the 5 Bijuu was an inconsistency, but the bolded part of your post clarifies that. So I'm not arguing inconsistencies anymore.

Theres no denying the part that a bigger Buijuudama automatically means it carries more weight then them. What I am arguing is a standard version hasn't shown to weight the caster down, when it came to full bm versions.

Which is because no Bijuu has been shown charging one above their head, so how are you accurately saying that the standard Bijuu Dama weighs less, when you yourself said that the sinking effect won't be seen unless its charged above the head?

 

[Strict]

So what are the arguments exactly? That Madara's Mokuton will bind a Kyuubi which is cloaked in the perfect Susanoo, when Hashirama had to enter Sage Mode and use Shinsuusenju? That some fodder summons of the Rinnegan will pose a threat or distract VOTE Madara? That Gakido will absorb sword slashes which slice mountain ranges and a TBB barrage which turns multiple mountain ranges to dust?