Vote Madara vs Edo Rinnegan Madara

[Holy God]

a TBB is a massive density of Chakra. A full TBB is by far larger than a human. So even if Gakido stops the TBB, the absorption will take a considerable time. Edo Madara will keep absorbing that TBB, while VOTE Madara's PS just swings its sword in Edo Madara's direction, hits the TBB and let it explode. At least when it explodes, absorption is no longer an argument. VOTE Madara doesn't even need to aim for Edo Madara with a TBB, he just needs to shot it near him; the explosion will turn him to dust. Shooting a barrage of TBB will be even worse. If one TBB is by far larger than a human, how could Gakido "catch" a barrage of them? The surface of Gakido is too small for even two TBB take place there, let alone a barrage, which will automatically land next to him in all directions.

Absorption is a non factor.

No counter to my Madara can't use Gakido and Susanoo at the same time argument, which was stated by Madara?
If Edo Madara uses his PS, VOTE Madara uses a barrage of TBB combined with PS swords. If Edo Madara won't use PS, VOTE Madara attacks with a shockwave of perfect Susanoo's sword, which cuts a mountain range and can't be absorbed.

I honestly don't know how this is debatable. A combination of Kyuubi and PS beats a PS.

How will EMS Madara aim when Edo Madara is invisible in the air using the wood-style to distract Kurama?

 

[Strict]

Invisible in the air? Using Mokuton to distract Kurama? Wut?

PS-Kyuubi is simply too powerful to be stopped by ordinary meanings. The moment Madara combined his PS with Kyuubi, Hashirama had to beat retreat and resort to his most powerful technique, which was Shinsuusenju. Any other Mokuton gets fodderized. Edo Madara can't beat PS-Kurama.

 

[lanakui8]

It's completely fair since it isn't in the restrictions of this fight. Maybe you should add it. Either way, Edo Madara wins. He summons the drill-beaked bird and the lizard on top of it, which allows him to stay invisible in the air. From then, he uses the wood-style to distract Kurama and Chibaku Tensei to seal it. If that fails, the wood-style will restrict him long enough for Edo Madara to swoop down and use a large Almighty Push.

100% Kurama is not only under Madaraʻs control, but heʻs also under the summoning contract that EMS Madara used to get the beast to the battlefield. If edo madara wants to summon 100% Kurama, heʻs going to have to kill EMS Madara first, or wait till the summoning time limit runs out.

Plus, the OP obviously wants us to evaluate this as EMS Madara w/ 100% Kurama vs edo madara.

Shinra tensei is getting reflected right back on madara just like KN6 did to deva. Madara has never been implied to use chibaku tensei and a mokuton thatʻs big enough to distract kurama at the same time, neither would any of his shown mokuton be a big enough distraction for the beast to not bust chibaku tensei, neither is EMS Madara going to just sit around and not bust the orb himself.

Assuming the bird can even fly with the invisible lizard on it, EMS Madara just kills the bird after not being able to detect Madara anywhere.

 

[Holy God]

Invisible in the air? Using Mokuton to distract Kurama? Wut?

PS-Kyuubi is simply too powerful to be stopped by ordinary meanings. The moment Madara combined his PS with Kyuubi, Hashirama had to beat retreat and resort to his most powerful technique, which was Shinsuusenju. Any other Mokuton gets fodderized. Edo Madara can't beat PS-Kurama.

It's completely fair since it isn't in the restrictions of this fight. Maybe you should add it. Either way, Edo Madara wins. He summons the drill-beaked bird and the lizard on top of it, which allows him to stay invisible in the air. From then, he uses the wood-style to distract Kurama and Chibaku Tensei to seal it. If that fails, the wood-style will restrict him long enough for Edo Madara to swoop down and use a large Almighty Push.

Not to mention, while this is going on, Edo Madara is capable of using the Gravity Path to pull Madara out of Susano'o and vulnerable. Then the immortal triple headed dog(and perhaps others) is summoned to take care of Kurama while the two Madaras battle. Or Madara could just shoot a couple of Chibaku Tensei out there to keep the beast busy.

 

[Beans2]

I have nothing against you, but I'll have to solo:

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The actual translation is "too much". This is in the Viz and anime, but I don't have the Viz as of now.

Yet Madara perfectly absorbed the FRS with no troubles whatsoever.

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[lanakui8]

Yet Madara perfectly absorbed the FRS with no troubles whatsoever.

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preta pathʻs absorption sphere got

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bijuudama goes right through it and hits preta path before it can absorb the attack.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

The Databook description of the Preta Path states that there is no limit to what it can absorb, if that's the discussion being had.

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[Holy God]

100% Kurama is not only under Madaraʻs control, but heʻs also under the summoning contract that EMS Madara used to get the beast to the battlefield. If edo madara wants to summon 100% Kurama, heʻs going to have to kill EMS Madara first, or wait till the summoning time limit runs out.

Plus, the OP obviously wants us to evaluate this as EMS Madara w/ 100% Kurama vs edo madara.

Shinra tensei is getting reflected right back on madara just like KN6 did to deva. Madara has never been implied to use chibaku tensei and a mokuton thatʻs big enough to distract kurama at the same time, neither would any of his shown mokuton be a big enough distraction for the beast to not bust chibaku tensei, neither is EMS Madara going to just sit around and not bust the orb himself.

Assuming the bird can even fly with the invisible lizard on it, EMS Madara just kills the bird after not being able to detect Madara anywhere.

The contract isn't blood, so it's just a location summon, which can be reversed, AKA Edo Madara could summon it to his location.

Almighty Push isn't getting reflected if Kurama is dealing with wood down below. Edo Madara can use the six paths, with the exception of access to the demonic statue. Madara's fire-style techniques probably don't have the firepower to destroy a core. He'd need Kurama or to extract the Perfect Susano'o shell off of Kurama.

Nagato was shown to do so, and Madara can't kill the bird since it'll be invisible as well.

 

[lanakui8]

The Databook description of the Preta Path states that there is no limit to what it can absorb, if that's the discussion being had.

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another one of the databooks no limits hyperboles.

 

[Holy God]

Yet Madara perfectly absorbed the FRS with no troubles whatsoever.

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Then why did Madara say that it was a bit too much? Just to say it?

 

[KidGamer65]

The Databook description of the Preta Path states that there is no limit to what it can absorb, if that's the discussion being had.

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Yata Mirror also says that it can turn back any attack. There's no difference. It's all a logical fallacy.

 

[Strict]

Not to mention, while this is going on, Edo Madara is capable of using the Gravity Path to pull Madara out of Susano'o and vulnerable. Then the immortal triple headed dog(and perhaps others) is summoned to take care of Kurama while the two Madaras battle. Or Madara could just shoot a couple of Chibaku Tensei out there to keep the beast busy.

The dog takes care of Kurama?

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1. Invisible or not, the Sharingan can see Chakra. The chameleon has not the ability to hide Chakra.

2. The summons belong to Nagato. No evidence that any Rinnegan user can use them.

3. Saying Mokuton distracts PS-Kyuubi is a joke. It will turn the whole battlefield to dust.

 

[lanakui8]

The contract isn't blood, so it's just a location summon, which can be reversed, AKA Edo Madara could summon it to his location.

Why does it matter if the contract is blood or not? Itʻs not just a location summon, obito lost control of the kyuubi when his summoning contract got canceled, the summoning contract links both together by chakra.

Almighty Push isn't getting reflected if Kurama is dealing with wood down below. Edo Madara can use the six paths, with the exception of access to the demonic statue. Madara's fire-style techniques probably don't have the firepower to destroy a core. He'd need Kurama or to extract the Perfect Susano'o shell off of Kurama.

Why isnʻt shinra tensei getting reflected when kurama is dealing with wood below? Sure edo madara can use the pathʻs techs, EMS Madara uses PS to destroy the core. Since you didnʻt address kurama easily busting the CT, i guess you agree that he does so.

Nagato was shown to do so, and Madara can't kill the bird since it'll be invisible as well.

...um nagato was never shown to use the lizard on the bird. the bird was killed by amaterasu, he used the lizard by itself. And it doesnʻt even have to come to that because why in the world would the bird be invisible as well when the lizard and whatever is inside of it only becomes invisible?

 

[Holy God]

The dog takes care of Kurama?

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1. Invisible or not, the Sharingan can see Chakra. The chameleon has not the ability to hide Chakra.

2. The summons belong to Nagato. No evidence that any Rinnegan user can use them.

3. Saying Mokuton distracts PS-Kyuubi is a joke. It will turn the whole battlefield to dust.

Kurama can't kill the dog, he'll just continue to make it stronger.

Hm, good point. Either way, the bird is to agile for a tailed beast barrage. So there's no hitting while it's in the air.

It's part of the Animal Path, the one used with Madara's eyes. Many people agree that he can use them, and it's only logical.

The wood-style keeps coming back. Unlike Kurama, Edo Madara has infinite chakra. To wipe the entire battlefield would be a large waste.

 

[Beans2]

Then why did Madara say that it was a bit too much? Just to say it?

Actions >>>>>>>>>>>>> words

 

[Strict]

No need for a TBB against the bird. One slash of PS' sword instantly slices mountain ranges. The bird gets destroyed along with Edo Madara. As I said, going invisible is useless, as the Sharingan can see and locate Chakra.

I also don't know why you bring up Mokuton. There is no distraction. Kurama is a killing machine controlled by Madara. Hashirama is the source of Mokuton. Yet his Mokuton was fodderized by PS-Kurama. Only Shinsuusenju could overpower him. Forget about such bullshit like distraction via Mokuton. PS-Kurama is destruction incarnate. One sword slash slices mountain ranges and a barrage of TBB turns mountain ranges to dust.

 

[Holy God]

Why does it matter if the contract is blood or not? Itʻs not just a location summon, obito lost control of the kyuubi when his summoning contract got canceled, the summoning contract links both together by chakra.


Why isnʻt shinra tensei getting reflected when kurama is dealing with wood below? Sure edo madara can use the pathʻs techs, EMS Madara uses PS to destroy the core. Since you didnʻt address kurama easily busting the CT, i guess you agree that he does so.


...um nagato was never shown to use the lizard on the bird. the bird was killed by amaterasu, he used the lizard by itself. And it doesnʻt even have to come to that because why in the world would the bird be invisible as well when the lizard and whatever is inside of it only becomes invisible?

The two paragraphs besides the middle have already been discussed by me and another(s) member(s).

If Kurama is handling the wood-style techniques, then he isn't exerting a force against the Almighty Push besides standing up-right. Naruto was able to because he was running full speed and pushed a bunch of chakra against it. If Madara is using the Perfect Susano'o to attack the core, then that means it isn't on Kurama, which presents a different scenario than to what I was thinking, so I'd have to state another situation. Yes, of course Kurama could destroy a core.

 

[Holy God]

No need for a TBB against the bird. One slash of PS' sword instantly slices mountain ranges. The bird gets destroyed along with Edo Madara. As I said, going invisible is useless, as the Sharingan can see and locate Chakra.

I also don't know why you bring up Mokuton. There is no distraction. Kurama is a killing machine controlled by Madara. Hashirama is the source of Mokuton. Yet his Mokuton was fodderized by PS-Kurama. Only Shinsuusenju could overpower him. Forget about such bullshit like distraction via Mokuton. PS-Kurama is destruction incarnate. One sword slash slices mountain ranges and a barrage of TBB turns mountain ranges to dust.

The bird can surely dodge a thin cut such as the Perfect Susano'o slash. It'd have to be close for it to touch the bird while it's flying around at full speed. Edo Madara can easily create multiple wood-clones with the Perfect Susano'o attached. Kurama has no chance against multiple Perfect Susano'o. The original can use the wood-style from under Kurama and attempt to restrain in, which slows down it's movements and messes up it's trajectory.

 

[Benjamin King]

Preta Path having the ability to absorb limitless Chakra based attack is a description of the Jutsu and not a hype-bole. A hype-bole is an exaggerating to unbelievable extent. However, we have feats from Preta Path showing it can absorb oil, Yang from Hachibi's Chakra, and Senjutsu attacks. So yes, when TBB comes on contact with the barrier, it gets absorbed completely to nothing.

 

[HiddenSound]

Edo Madara soloes, Rinnegan techs are too strong, plus he can just drop a thousand meteors

I lol'd. What even...