Vote Madara vs Edo Rinnegan Madara

[Demonic.]

I never said it defeats PS Kurama. Edo Madara's PS and Kurama's PS both break. Kurama is still standing fine and is restrained by mokuton long enough for Edo Madara to win

TBB barrage eradicates Edo Madara first before the Susano even clash.

Edo Madara wins. He summons Kurama out of the Perfect Susano'o and then uses a large Almighty Push to knock it out/away, which gives him time to push and kill Madara.

Fanfic and retarted posts are restricted my good sir.

 

[Holy God]

TBB barrage eradicates Edo Madara first before the Susano even clash.



Fanfic and retarted posts are restricted my good sir.

Are you saying it's impossible for Edo Madara to summon Kurama?

 

[ShinjuMadara]

Edo Madara soloes, Rinnegan techs are too strong, plus he can just drop a thousand meteors

 

[KidGamer65]

@Bold, not true, it happen before he ate it[

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]. Not sure if Naruto had as much weight though, considering it needed to change its trajectory in order to overpower it.

Then see my other response about it being an inconsistency. Naruto was ball of of equal size and equal power, so had to have weighed the same, it can't be the same in size and strength if it was heavier, not to mention if it weighed more, it would have plowed through the other Bijuu's, but instead, by hitting the bottom of it, they cancel each other out and then shoot upwards.

We can't be 100% sure, which is why I stated "close" to their weight. I am going by Bunta and Shukaku fight. They look very compatible to each other in weight, mass, and size.

Ok.

I never said it defeats PS Kurama. Edo Madara's PS and Kurama's PS both break. Kurama is still standing fine and is restrained by mokuton long enough for Edo Madara to win

So Edo Madara is going to standard there and watch as his Susanoo is being broken open instead of attacking with Kurama? Are you joking? Not to mention Madara's PS cuts Mountains, it doesn't even have the necessary power to break itself open.

 

[Draphsin]

Since when was it implied, ever, that chakra quantity has anything to do with what Preta Path can absorb? It's not at all like Yata Mirror, which is an obvious hyperbole with no feats other than tanking some explosive tags. With a defensive weapon like Yata Mirror, we know that the more firepower = more destructive force, and sufficient destructive force = breaks through defense. However, PP isn't a defensive weapon, it literally turns the user's chakra network in reverse, so as long as the user has the necessary chakra reserves, they can absorb the technique. And Edo Madara surely has the chakra pool capable of absorbing at least a few bijuudamas, theoretically infinite bijuudamas since Edos theoretically have infinite chakra.

@Bold, um hello? Do you not consider rasenshuriken or jinton (a technique that literally turns your opponents to dust) a "big" technique? You have literally zero evidence to back up your assertion. There has never been a time in this manga where a Preta Path user did not try to absorb a technique, unless it was laced with senjutsu or rikudou chakra.

You know the entire "preta can absorb a bijuudama" argument has been debunked right?

The explosion caused by a tbb is not completely made up of chakra, it's chakra that detonates into a bomb. There is more than just chakra in the explosion such as thermal energy [heat] which will vaporize him.

We've seen chakra produce different types of energy, madara's PS was able to cut through mountains by just using shockwaves which is another form of energy [kinetic]. & Nagato's deva path abilities are also a form of kinetic energy.

Sure you can say nagato can absorb a bijuudama all he wants, but he isn't absorbing the thermal energy that comes with it once it explodes, nagato/madara can't absorb heat.

 

[Demonic.]

Are you saying it's impossible for Edo Madara to summon Kurama?

I'm saying it's BS in a vs thread. VOTE Madara has Kurama, let's not try to change conditions. Either Edo Madara beats Vote Madara or he doesn't.

 

[Beans2]

You know the entire "preta can absorb a bijuudama" argument has been debunked right?

The explosion caused by a tbb is not completely made up of chakra, it's chakra that detonates into a bomb. There is more than just chakra in the explosion such as thermal energy [heat] which will vaporize him.

We've seen chakra produce different types of energy, madara's PS was able to cut through mountains by just using shockwaves which is another form of energy [kinetic]. & Nagato's deva path abilities are also a form of kinetic energy.

Sure you can say nagato can absorb a bijuudama all he wants, but he isn't absorbing the thermal energy that comes with it once it explodes, nagato/madara can't absorb heat.

I wasn't talking about a bijuudama explosion. I was talking about a bijuudama.

 

[Holy God]

I'm saying it's BS in a vs thread. VOTE Madara has Kurama, let's not try to change conditions. Either Edo Madara beats Vote Madara or he doesn't.

It's completely fair since it isn't in the restrictions of this fight. Maybe you should add it. Either way, Edo Madara wins. He summons the drill-beaked bird and the lizard on top of it, which allows him to stay invisible in the air. From then, he uses the wood-style to distract Kurama and Chibaku Tensei to seal it. If that fails, the wood-style will restrict him long enough for Edo Madara to swoop down and use a large Almighty Push.

 

[Draphsin]

I wasn't talking about a bijuudama explosion. I was talking about a bijuudama.

You realize how hard it would be to do that? If a tbb hits the ground next to madara it explodes, if a tbb hits the tbb that's currently being absorbed by madara then they both explode.

How do you suggest madara is going to get away with absorbing even one bijuudama before it's too late?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Kurama gives EMS Madara more destructive power, and a Perfect Susano'o should only logically be able to take its own attacks at least once or twice. Mokuton is essentially useless, as both Susano'o and Kurama have torn through lesser versions.

A more interesting match would be Vote Madara or Edo madara versus a Living Blind Sage Mode Madara. Just my thoughts.

 

[Beans2]

You realize how hard it would be to do that? If a tbb hits the ground next to madara it explodes, if a tbb hits the tbb that's currently being absorbed by madara then they both explode.

How do you suggest madara is going to get away with absorbing even one bijuudama before it's too late?

I know, I was just countering Kidgamer's argument about the chakra quantity in a bijuudama being too huge, which is not the case.

 

[KidGamer65]

Since when was it implied, ever, that chakra quantity has anything to do with what Preta Path can absorb? It's not at all like Yata Mirror, which is an obvious hyperbole with no feats other than tanking some explosive tags. With a defensive weapon like Yata Mirror, we know that the more firepower = more destructive force, and sufficient destructive force = breaks through defense. However, PP isn't a defensive weapon, it literally turns the user's chakra network in reverse, so as long as the user has the necessary chakra reserves, they can absorb the technique. And Edo Madara surely has the chakra pool capable of absorbing at least a few bijuudamas, theoretically infinite bijuudamas since Edos theoretically have infinite chakra.

It turns the chakra reserves spin into reverse to absorb chakra, the fact its taking something in means that there is a limit. No reason to believe that there isn't, I don't know who told you that the amount you absorb is equal to the amount of reserves you have, or who told you that quantity is irrelevant when that logically makes no sense. That's like saying me pouring water into a cup doesn't matter, even though the cup is taking something in, thus it has some kind of limit. Don't know who told you that it not being a defensive technnique has any relevance here either, but that isn't how it works for obvious reasons. Asserting otherwise (based on nothing) is a fallacy. That simple.

Edo Tensei have the same chakra levels they did when they were alive (Aside from those who got buffs in reserves) with the only perk being that the chakra regenerates.

What you are saying is equivalent to believing that Madara can absorb just as much chakra as he possesses, even though that is obviously false, considering the moment IT victim's chakra went into his body (not even after it was complete) he started to swell.

@Bold, um hello? Do you not consider rasenshuriken or jinton (a technique that literally turns your opponents to dust) a "big" technique? You have literally zero evidence to back up your assertion. There has never been a time in this manga where a Preta Path user did not try to absorb a technique, unless it was laced with senjutsu or rikudou chakra.

Yes, because Jinton and Rasen Shuriken are on the level of 1 Bijuu Dama let alone 11, lol. Because Preta absorbing FRS means it can absorb something on the level of 11 Bijuu Dama. Lets use logic here. The fact of the matter is, while you claim I have no evidence, you have yet to show me how Preta Path absorbs 11 Bijuu Dama without using one of the commonly used logical fallacies to support your argument. Fallacies don't make valid arguments, so in reality you don't even have an argument let alone a valid one.

Kaguya absorbed Amaterasu, from Rikudo Sasuke, never absorbed any of Rikudo Naruto attacks. Rikudo Chakra doesn't do anything adverse to you if you absorb it, and Senjtusu only hurts if you absorb too much NE and can't balance it. Kaguya is the Juubi, her power is Nature Energy, and she has boatloads of chakra. Madara has more chakra than Naruto has period. So no, there is no issue here, at all. Rikudo Chakra being unsafe to absorb is something you pulled from nowhere anyway.

It's completely fair since it isn't in the restrictions of this fight. Maybe you should add it. Either way, Edo Madara wins. He summons the drill-beaked bird and the lizard on top of it, which allows him to stay invisible in the air. From then, he uses the wood-style to distract Kurama and Chibaku Tensei to seal it. If that fails, the wood-style will restrict him long enough for Edo Madara to swoop down and use a large Almighty Push.

Its pretty hilarious how Hashirama fought this Madara in canon, yet Mokuton below Shinsuusenju was a non factor against PS Kurama, but here its some kind of factor.

 

[Strict]

A more interesting match would be Vote Madara or Edo madara versus a Living Blind Sage Mode Madara. Just my thoughts.

So no Doujutsu Madara vs (Kyuubi)-PS?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

So no Doujutsu Madara vs (Kyuubi)-PS?

Shouldn't he theoretically have a shinsuusenju of a great size? I think it'd still be more of a challenge for Vote Madara.

 

[Holy God]

I know, I was just countering Kidgamer's argument about the chakra quantity in a bijuudama being too huge, which is not the case.

I have nothing against you, but I'll have to solo:

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The actual translation is "too much". This is in the Viz and anime, but I don't have the Viz as of now.

 

[Draphsin]

I know, I was just countering Kidgamer's argument about the chakra quantity in a bijuudama being too huge, which is not the case.

Lol I see, fair enough. Thought you were suggesting that preta is a viable counter to multiple bijuudamas.

 

[Holy God]

Shouldn't he theoretically have a shinsuusenju of a great size? I think it'd still be more of a challenge for Vote Madara.

No. Edo Madara doesn't have Sage Mode, so he can't perform the 1000 Hand Buddha.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

No. Edo Madara doesn't have Sage Mode, so he can't perform the 1000 Hand Buddha.

I wasn't referring to Edo Madara. . ?

 

[Holy God]

I wasn't referring to Edo Madara. . ?

There was no subject in your post, so I had to guess.

 

[Strict]

a TBB is a massive density of Chakra. A full TBB is by far larger than a human. So even if Gakido stops the TBB, the absorption will take a considerable time. Edo Madara will keep absorbing that TBB, while VOTE Madara's PS just swings its sword in Edo Madara's direction, hits the TBB and let it explode. At least when it explodes, absorption is no longer an argument. VOTE Madara doesn't even need to aim for Edo Madara with a TBB, he just needs to shot it near him; the explosion will turn him to dust. Shooting a barrage of TBB will be even worse. If one TBB is by far larger than a human, how could Gakido "catch" a barrage of them? The surface of Gakido is too small for even two TBB take place there, let alone a barrage, which will automatically land next to him in all directions.

Absorption is a non factor.

No counter to my Madara can't use Gakido and Susanoo at the same time argument, which was stated by Madara?
If Edo Madara uses his PS, VOTE Madara uses a barrage of TBB combined with PS swords. If Edo Madara won't use PS, VOTE Madara attacks with a shockwave of perfect Susanoo's sword, which cuts a mountain range and can't be absorbed.

I honestly don't know how this is debatable. A combination of Kyuubi and PS beats a PS.