Naruto's Ending Review

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So... Yeah...

Okay, first things first. Hello there, people from the base I don't know! (there are a lot of you, uhm, so..., yeah), and "Hisashiburi" to the ones who may actually remember who I am! It's been a long, long time since I last posted anything in here. Probably about, what, 2 years? Jesus...

Anyhow, since today's quite the special occasion for obvious reasons, I wanted to bother you all with my personal review of Kishimoto's final chapters, along with my thoughts on several popular and polemic topics many people are losing their minds on.

Review:

To start with, I believe this finale was everything I ever wanted or dreamed, brought to reality in a way I had never expected. We all wanted the same things from the finale, and I daresay we did get those things, only most of us became extreeeeemely nit picky with fictional stories and were not satisfied 100%. To be honest, with the series being mostly about Naruto and his growth, all I ever really cared about was for him to fulfill the objectives he had been pursuing since the start of the Manga. I mean... Being a Hokage? Check. Bringing Sasuke back from darkness? Check. Bringing peace to the world by never giving up? Check. That's it, don't you guys think?

Anything besides those three aspects of his character development is nothing but additional toppings. And the reason I call them "toppings" is because Manga series are all kinda like Pizza. You definitely know what is needed to make Pizza, and you definitely can recognize a Pizza well done. From the point you get the Pizza on the table onwards, you're more than free to use the toppings you want to make that pizza meet your expectations and likes. That does not necessarily mean that Pizza has to be made the way you like it, but in turn means that you can have Pizza or you can just have something else.

Naruto was like Kishimoto's attempt to create a world wide Pizza everybody loved and make everybody excited about Pizzas in general. People loved it, and some like me still do. But there were some who tried to impose some toppings into the Pizza known as "Naruto", and they seemingly thought Kishimoto (The Chef) was somehow supposed to make the Pizza according to their own wishes. "Who marries who", "Who dies", "Who survives"... Things like those sure are important, but they don't make the ENTIRE series.

So, as far as the ending is concerned, I believe Kishimoto delivered what he implied through his series' protagonist. That's the "what". The "how", or more easily, "the toppings" I saw on the ending... As a former NaruSaku and a very young NaruHina follower, I believe it's sad we didn't get to see Sakura formally apologize to Naruto for all the pain she put him through. I believe a conversation like this must have happened somewhere in between The Last and the Epilogue, since obviously Naruto won't just start loving Hinata out of nowhere. But I'm happy Naruto ended up with Hinata. Overall, she seems much more gentle and appropriate for a hyperactive, knuckle headed guy who usually thinks after he acts. Someone like him requires patience and tolerance, not to mention a lot of love. Pure love.

I remember Kushina saying Naruto should look for a woman like her, and that's the argument many NaruSaku fans used to reinforce their belief in this relationship since Kushina and Sakura really are similar (as stated by Minato himself). But something I've always thought ever since we first knew the names of Naruto's parents, is that Naruto doesn't resemble his father in terms of character at all. Physically maybe, but his personality is a huge load like his mother's. So in actuality, what Naruto needed is a female version of Minato (who we know is very gentle, passive and polite. Pretty much like Hinata).

When it comes to Naruto and Sasuke's bonds, I'm quite satisfied. Personally, I believe most of the haters criticizing the series miss this incredible point. Sasuke was a character I despised and hated with all my heart, because of what he represented and because what he made me feel. And there was a point throughout the series in which I thought he had to die in order for the finale to be any good to me. Not just because of my hatred towards him, but also because of how low he stooped down his path to the darkness. I think his redemption surpasses Anakin Skywalker's or any other fictional character that has ever been redeemed. I did give up on him. Entirely. Yet Kishimoto made it so that Sasuke could come back to the light.

The fact that Naruto could bring him back was a huge plus for me, and in my opinion Naruto surpasses One Piece and Bleach in that aspect. And Sasuke's character has since become one of my favorites. His having a daughter with Sakura is awesome, and I have to say I died over the cuteness of Sarada. I love that little girl. I just love her. She's so cute, she's so awesome, I don't know what to say, she's perfect to me. Ironic, since she's the offspring of two of the characters I've spent the last two years hating the most! Hahaha! Sakura looks cute to me, and I'm happy that she ended up with Sasuke. Her resolve to never let go of her feelings for him is quite respectable, coming from a woman. I think most women in the real world should learn from her. She's not submissive, or weak hearted towards her man, but even so she never stops loving him or being loyal to him.

I love Team 7's children! They're all too cute to be real, I still think it's not happening. It's The Legend of Korra all over again, for God's sake!

In conclusion to my opinions on the ending, I can only say this: There were three promises. Being a Hokage, bringing Sasuke back and bringing peace. All three of them were met successfully. Why ask for more? We don't even pay a single cent for Kishimoto's work, yet most of us can only complain about how the series' finale was "shit". Those kinds of people make up the whole meaning for the term "Ungratefulness".

Now, I would like to have my say in regards to the polemical, popular topics people keep posting about!

Like this:

"Final Fight being too Rushed":

I do agree with the fact that Naruto vs Sasuke fight should have been a bit longer in the sense it should have shown every little aspect of their growth throughout the series. We didn't see "Kirin", or "Frog Katas" and the likes, and it would have definitely help provide much more of a tense and active feeling to the fight to have those little details included. But Kishimoto was smart when he had Naruto say "I've always wanted to beat you, Sasuke. But not the you right now". This makes the fight's perspective change to a complete different thing. It's one thing to fight for competition and it's one another to fight to survive or knock some sense into someone. So I think we can and should understand that.

"Finale and Epilogue being too Rushed":

Well, there's only so much a Mangaka can do within the space Shonen Jump Magazine gives its authors! All Shonen Jump's series are important and have to have their moment to shine, specially One Piece and Bleach, since they are the other two pillars of the triangle. I think if we considered the small amount of pages each chapter is allowed to have, the small time frame Kishimoto has to draw them, and the adrenaline you must feel whilst finishing your work finally, we can say Kishimoto did a good job. He appealed to our emotional side and gave the series a beautiful ending the best way he could, so I disagree with hating him for this.

"SasuSaku based on abusive relationship and Sakura becoming a housewife":

Well, I don't know. How do you people even come with the term "abusive"? Like, have you considered everything and taken everything we saw on the finale into account? How much time did Sasuke treat Sakura like a piece of crap? 2 years? 3 years? Let's say even 4. How many years did their relationship grow for? At least 10 or 15. Come on. You can't label a relationship based on what two people treat each other like whilst separated for a couple years. Sure, Sasuke was a total ass-hat, but even he was shown to be able to change. Why can't their relationship also change? And, seriously? Just because you see Sakura wearing what one wears to clean a house ONCE, you automatically assume she's a "desperate housewife" abused by her husband? Feminazis much?

"Chouji and Karui being together and their daughter":

Well this is a hard one. I can't say I didn't have a WTF face when I saw that. But again... So much time passed. It's not like it can't happen, right? Just be logical. I'm not so sure about Chouchou, though... I... Think she could have looked a bit better if she had different hair color. Her being black is okay, since I believe Karui has a cute side to her while being black (sorry, that came out too racist). But I'm still not convinced. I don't encourage the hate towards her and her parents because THEY SURVIVED A ****ING WAR for God's sake. If I had survived that war, I would have fallen in love with anybody out of my happiness to be alive too! Plus I think Chouji is awesome and is the kind of guy Karui would fall for, believe it or not!

"InoShikaChou trio being ugly"

Well EXCUSE ME, you must be the prime example of genetic perfection then! Jesus Christ, did you have a look at Shikadai? FFS, that kid is already cooler than half of his classmates, look at his expression! He hasn't even graduated from the Ninja Academy yet and he's already fed up with missions and Chuunin Exams! He takes ZERO of your NONSENSE. Inojin, well... Buddy, I don't even know whether you're a guy or a girl. And you need vacation. Go have a tan, please. But other than that, I believe you're cool. Your hair and eyes color combination is odd in a good way, just... Don't sparkle. With skin like that, sparkling would make you Edward Cullen inside the Naruto Frandchise and that's just... No. Please. As for Chouchou, I love your attitude. Never change. And you're cute, it's your hair color I still can't swallow.

"Plotholes"

EVERY story has plot holes once it finishes. You trying to find a story ending without those? You on the wrong path, my friend. Have you guys watched Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood? Harry Potter series? Death Note? Bakuman? All of them have had at least 1 or 2 plot holes. What's wrong with that? Use your own imagination to fill those holes, and stop complaining for the love of Hagoromo. STORIES ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE PLOT HOLES. Because that means the story can always be brought back to life, and it also means the fans are free to speculate and imagine things as they want. GET OVER IT. WRITE OR READ FAN FICTION.

"Naruto not giving an answer to Pain's question"

Er... What? I'm sorry, what? Did... Did you guys really...? Oh God. What was the entire "Nagato's past" saga created for, then??? GO BACK TO THAT ARC. No, seriously. GO BACK. READ IT. WHAT DOES IT SAY? DOES IT SAY ANYTHING LIKE: "...I WILL BELIEVE IN WHAT HE (JIRAIYA) BELIEVED IN. THAT'S MY ANSWER"? DOES IT RING ANY BELLS? DOES THE FACT THAT THAT PHRASE ENDS WITH THE WORD "ANSWER" BRING ANY "ANSWERS" TO YOU?

Spoiler: Manga 447. DUH!

I can't tell whether you people do this for fun or because you're unable to remember things properly. I think I should change my name to JonTron and make Reaction Threads to the things I see here!


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand.... That's it!

I hope you guys liked it, and if you have any other topics you would like to hear or read my opinion about, please comment on this thread! I'd be more than happy to!

P.S: I respect everyone's opinion, but please forgive me in advance if I make fun of some members' BS. I just can't help it sometimes.

Cheers!
 

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It's awesome to see forgotten members from forgotten times log on for the finale. Great review.
I don't mean to brag, but people used to enjoy my reviews back on the day! Too bad I had to disappear for a long time, though I occasionally keep an eye on you guys! It's just that the amount of retards and fanboys has grown too much lately, so I've kind of been keeping my distance.

This time I had to say something though! I loved the series and loved the base, since I met some awesome people along the way!
 

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I don't mean to brag, but people used to enjoy my reviews back on the day! Too bad I had to disappear for a long time, though I occasionally keep an eye on you guys! It's just that the amount of retards and fanboys has grown too much lately, so I've kind of been keeping my distance.

This time I had to say something though! I loved the series and loved the base, since I met some awesome people along the way!
I am new here so i didn't know about you, but still you wrote a great review...I agree with you i've been following NB for a while and the number of Fapboys and Retards is amazing.

Btw i am from Colombia too
 

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Wow...

This just...damn. Man, you were a beast back then and you still are. At all's honesty, the only thing that was ehh/made me lol was the pairings as a whole.


Seriously though, you're right in a way. Even if the story focused on other characters as well, they all tied back to Naruto's journey as a whole. That was what the entire story was about in the first place. The summary was not only just a short writing about the plot, it also serves as a warning in a sense. When I read the summary of Naruto, not only did I know what it's going to be about. I also am aware that the author may not go in certain directions I expected/wanted him to, since it's not my story to begin with. This isn't just for "Naruto", it's for every series I've come across. Darker than Black for example is my favorite anime. When I read that it's going to be mainly about Lawd/Savior/Zeus Hei, I acknowledged that some things aren't going to go like how I wanted. There are quite other series, but that's irrelevant.

To add to your rushed part, I mentioned in another's thread that Kishimoto does not have to show the same/similar things over again for us to believe what's going on. A similar logic can be applied here; he does not have to into more detail for us to get what's going on. There is something called imagination that fills in those spots that are either felt "rushed" or "holed". It can also be a good thing, because there are at least openings left for our interpretations. It's only if there are inconsistencies with in the story, then that would be bad.

I think the problem is that too often we wanted things to happen that makes sense to us. I think it's clear to most, if not all to us, that we are not Masashi himself; we don't think like how he thinks. Kishi's view with "Naruto" does not correspond with all of the readers' view. Then there's is also the fact that some are focused more on other characters' stories than the main ones themselves. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that interests in other characters means more demands of their fate or their current state.

I.E: Some are more focused on Team Taka/Yamato the Beast/Prime Hiruzen; so much that they want more of them. No offense to the fans here, but that's just how one would feel, right? I understand why that's the case, considering we followed certain characters for quite some time. The problem is that side characters and all that aren't the main focus of the series, which is why they don't have as much of a conclusion as we expected. However, that's the vibe I got out of a few here. I myself wanted to see what became of Orochimaru, Kabuto, Taka (Especially Juugo and Suigetsu), and other things.

Last but not least, the very hardcore NaruSaku fanbase is a glaring example of this. I thought one should like them based on personal preferences. It's an absolute no to pass opinions off as a fact. I feel bad honestly because I have a couple buds who are for this pairing. But...what goes, goes.

We should at least appreciate what we have instead of what we don't have.

Am I saying that the ending is perfect? No, I don't. But there are quite overreactions that are either based off of baseless assumptions, polemic stances, or to a degree focused way too much on certain characters or subjects. This is just my take on what's going on, not the absolute truth. However, that's the vibe I got out of a few here.

Personally...I actually am lying to myself if I blatantly claimed that I did not enjoy any aspect of the ending. I was a little dead because it brought back to why I watched this series in the first place. Gaara and Lee as well as the Chunin Exams fight first peaked my interest anime-wise. But when I started from the beginning in the manga, Naruto also peaked my curiosity even more. He was honestly my first favorite I decided to stick with even today. I have always rooted for him ever since. It was breath taking that Naruto finally achieved what took years for him to reach his dreams, which is being Hokage of course. As a whole, he was honestly the reason why I kept watching and enjoying this series. Sure there are other characters that I kept with as well (Obito, Sasuke, Kakashi, Gaara etc). But the bastard is pretty much the star of the series.

Side note: I take the pairings back a bit. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually smiled when Naruto has a family with Hinata. As a former NaruHina fan, I honestly could not look at his family without any emotions.

Superb thread, Lawliet. I know you won't be here for some time. But this is my compliment to you if you're online again.
 
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Wow...

This just...damn. Man, you were a beast back then and you still are. At all's honesty, the only thing that was ehh/made me lol was the pairings as a whole.


Seriously though, you're right in a way. Even if the story focused on other characters as well, they all tied back to Naruto's journey as a whole. That was what the entire story was about in the first place. The summary was not only just a short writing about the plot, it also serves as a warning in a sense. When I read the summary of Naruto, not only did I know what it's going to be about. I also am aware that the author may not go in certain directions I expected/wanted him to, since it's not my story to begin with. This isn't just for "Naruto", it's for every series I've come across. Darker than Black for example is my favorite anime. When I read that it's going to be mainly about Lawd/Savior/Zeus Hei, I acknowledged that some things aren't going to go like how I wanted. There are quite other series, but that's irrelevant.

To add to your rushed part, I mentioned in another's thread that Kishimoto does not have to show the same/similar things over again for us to believe what's going on. A similar logic can be applied here; he does not have to into more detail for us to get what's going on. There is something called imagination that fills in those spots that are either felt "rushed" or "holed". It can also be a good thing, because there are at least openings left for our interpretations. It's only if there are inconsistencies with in the story, then that would be bad.

I think the problem is that too often we wanted things to happen that makes sense to us. I think it's clear to most, if not all to us, that we are not Masashi himself; we don't think like how he thinks. Kishi's view with "Naruto" does not correspond with all of the readers' view. Then there's is also the fact that some are focused more on other characters' stories than the main ones themselves. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that interests in other characters means more demands of their fate or their current state.

I.E: Some are more focused on Team Taka/Yamato the Beast/Prime Hiruzen; so much that they want more of them. No offense to the fans here, but that's just how one would feel, right? I understand why that's the case, considering we followed certain characters for quite some time. The problem is that side characters and all that aren't the main focus of the series, which is why they don't have as much of a conclusion as we expected. However, that's the vibe I got out of a few here. I myself wanted to see what became of Orochimaru, Kabuto, Taka (Especially Juugo and Suigetsu), and other things.

Last but not least, the very hardcore NaruSaku fanbase is a glaring example of this. I thought one should like them based on personal preferences. It's an absolute no to pass opinions off as a fact. I feel bad honestly because I have a couple buds who are for this pairing. But...what goes, goes.

We should at least appreciate what we have instead of what we don't have.

Am I saying that the ending is perfect? No, I don't. But there are quite overreactions that are either based off of baseless assumptions, polemic stances, or to a degree focused way too much on certain characters or subjects. This is just my take on what's going on, not the absolute truth. However, that's the vibe I got out of a few here.

Personally...I actually am lying to myself if I blatantly claimed that I did not enjoy any aspect of the ending. I was a little dead because it brought back to why I watched this series in the first place. Gaara and Lee as well as the Chunin Exams fight first peaked my interest anime-wise. But when I started from the beginning in the manga, Naruto also peaked my curiosity even more. He was honestly my first favorite I decided to stick with even today. I have always rooted for him ever since. It was breath taking that Naruto finally achieved what took years for him to reach his dreams, which is being Hokage of course. As a whole, he was honestly the reason why I kept watching and enjoying this series. Sure there are other characters that I kept with as well (Obito, Sasuke, Kakashi, Gaara etc). But the bastard is pretty much the star of the series.

Side note: I take the pairings back a bit. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually smiled when Naruto has a family with Hinata. As a former NaruHina fan, I honestly could not look at his family without any emotions.

Superb thread, Lawliet. I know you won't be here for some time. But this is my compliment to you if you're online again.
Thank you so much for your comments! It brings a smile to my face to see some people still enjoy my reviews. I can only begin to imagine just what is going to happen when One Piece comes to an end? I mean, Naruto, One Piece and Bleach are pretty much the Harry, Ron and Hermione of Shonen Jump's magazine (please don't ask which series is who in my opinion, because the Third World War will explode once I say it). So now that Naruto's come to an end, and in a quite polemic way... I figure we'll have to build bunkers for One Piece's and Bleach's endings...

Jesus Christ, I'm so getting old...
 

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Thank you so much for your comments! It brings a smile to my face to see some people still enjoy my reviews. I can only begin to imagine just what is going to happen when One Piece comes to an end? I mean, Naruto, One Piece and Bleach are pretty much the Harry, Ron and Hermione of Shonen Jump's magazine (please don't ask which series is who in my opinion, because the Third World War will explode once I say it). So now that Naruto's come to an end, and in a quite polemic way... I figure we'll have to build bunkers for One Piece's and Bleach's endings...

Jesus Christ, I'm so getting old...
Thanks. I can't imagine what happens next. I know one thing for sure that those series will have similar types of complaints. It's why I just try to follow what the author writes. Not lower my expectations, but simply listen.

Lol yeah.
 

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-People released from IT show no disappointment after waking up from over 24 hour dream where their decreased loved ones were alive. Nor reflecting on it. This is just weak writing.
-Spiral Zetsu dies for no reason.
-Tsunade makes Kakashi Hokage for no reason. I mean that there is no reason given for Tsunade to resign right away.
-No closure to Orochimaru, Kabuto, and many other characters.
-Sasuke didn't revive people who's deaths he partly caused by helping revive the Juubi. So he isn't truly redeemed in my eyes.
-SasuSaku is the easily the worst thing in this.

This was a half-ass and lame ending, IMO.

Epilogue was alright though. Minus SasuSaku of course.
 

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People released from IT show no disappointment after waking up from over 24 hour dream where their decreased loved ones were alive. Nor reflecting on it. This is just weak writing.
-Spiral Zetsu dies for no reason.
-Tsunade makes Kakashi Hokage for no reason. I mean that there is no reason given for Tsunade to resign right away.
-No closure to Orochimaru, Kabuto, and many other characters.
-Sasuke didn't revive people who's deaths he partly caused by helping revive the Juubi. So he isn't truly redeemed in my eyes.
-SasuSaku is the easily the worst thing in this.

This was a half-ass and lame ending, IMO.

Epilogue was alright though. Minus SasuSaku of course.
i agree on this. the last two chapters was just everyone with a happy smile on their faces. besides neji, what about war casualties and those who liked their dreams? what of obito and madaras names? is amegakure ok? oro should be in jail.

overall its got great characters, powers, and world. it will be missed.
 

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-People released from IT show no disappointment after waking up from over 24 hour dream where their decreased loved ones were alive. Nor reflecting on it. This is just weak writing.
-Spiral Zetsu dies for no reason.
-Tsunade makes Kakashi Hokage for no reason. I mean that there is no reason given for Tsunade to resign right away.
-No closure to Orochimaru, Kabuto, and many other characters.
-Sasuke didn't revive people who's deaths he partly caused by helping revive the Juubi. So he isn't truly redeemed in my eyes.
-SasuSaku is the easily the worst thing in this.

This was a half-ass and lame ending, IMO.

Epilogue was alright though. Minus SasuSaku of course.

I know it's your opinion, but I think you stand right beside the point I made... What does all that have to do with the three main points of the Manga? Naruto bringing Sasuke back, his being a Hokage or bringing peace? Even if the plot holes you seem to be so disappointed on DO have something (if only a very little something) to do with those main points, the fact that Kishimoto still didn't bring them out and still managed to fulfill the main promises shows how important those aspects of the story really were.

Taking into account that Kishimoto's main focus is a giving a positive message to his readers, and that Shonen Manga often need to be more straightforward and get to the point in order for them to be popular or successful, I think it's not only easy to understand why Kishimoto did this, but also necessary. This isn't Death Note, where the depth and the importance of every character's participation on the series was implied to be big, or where the finale was obviously intended to be way sooner than Naruto's.

Many of us kept reading Naruto more because of the fact that it was their first Manga and it had an important part on their hearts, than because of the fact that they actually liked it. When we were teens we would probably had complained much less than what we do now, and that's because when you get older you're affected by different things and the depth a message has to reach in order to get through increases with each year we grow up. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, but I think it's safe to assume we all got way older and more in the need of something much more emotionally disturbing and addictive as Game of Thrones and Akame Ga Kill.

If you compare the message Naruto wants to give to the one we get from George R.R Martin, of course we'll think it's not going to be good enough. Of course we won't get the character development we want, and of course we won't get satisfied with how the author handled his universe (despite the fact that it's HIS universe, not ours).


I was able to enjoy everything from the beginning to the end, because I learned to stop my aging and my constantly growing demands whenever a chapter of Naruto's Manga was concerned. I knew what its aim was, I knew who was it drawn and brought to life for, and I obviously knew more or less how it was going to end anyway. Not only is it not my right to complain when I don't even buy Kishimoto's work, but it's also not my duty or my obligation to read it if I don't like it. I can always rage-quit.

Isn't it so?
 

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Naruto is kind of awful in a way.

Disregarding the story, and looking at TNJ it makes me realize just how awful of a person Naruto and their characters are .... as well as some SS fans..

TNJs Obito*
"It's alright everybody, it's the good ol Obito." -Kishi

TNJs Sasuke*
"The real Sasuke is back." -Fans -Naruto -Kishi -Other Fodders of NV

TNJs Nagato*
"He has come to his senses." -Naruto

It's kind of hard not to be offended by this.. it basically shits on any development Sasuke/Obito/Nagato ever had mentally, and makes it nothing but a loop to revert back to a form where they had practically no development..
It also shows that Naruto's beliefs > Everyone's else

Wtf is the "Real" Sasuke.:| Sasuke has been the real Sasuke the entire time, but it is portrayed as if Sasuke was nothing but a brain controlled demon, until Naruto literally forced a change in his personality to his liking.

That is actually very offensive... forcing personalities to your liking... and calling it the "right" thing.:|
 
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Re: Naruto is kind of awful in a way.

You would have a point, if he forced them to change. Lel if they could be swayed by talking then clearly they were not truly dedicated or serious.
 

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Re: Naruto is kind of awful in a way.

You would have a point, if he forced them to change. Lel if they could be swayed by talking then clearly they were not truly dedicated or serious.
I think this may be the OP's point in a way. To have the characters go so many things that should have permanent changes in their personalities and psyche, then have them changed by talking, is actually terrible writing. That's why so many fans hate TNJ.
 

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Re: Naruto is kind of awful in a way.

This just means Naruto is an emotional story.
Not at all.:|
It literally demonstrates that whatever Naruto's beliefs are, are to be held above all others, and is right without challenge...
If you should be this way, and Naruto says so, then this is the "normal" you.. That's extremely offensive.
 
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