EMS Sasuke and Nagato vs SM Hashirama
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Hmm... after reading those calculations and revisiting the CT page, I concede that the size of CT is around
the same size of the buddha. Not necessarily much larger, but I think they're around the same size, but assuming
Nagato's to be bigger than Deva's then yes, Nagato could make a larger CT than SS is.
Hmm... it seems Nagato is stronger than I thought. However, still, simply because of the hype Hashirama has, it is
hard to believe that Nagato is greater, especially when Kabuto himself referred to Hashirama as such a god without
ever saying anything like the sort about Nagato. Besides, by the time Hashi created SS, he could've already used it to
obliterate Sasuke and Nagato before the CT can significantly form enough to damage the SS from doing this. And if Nagato
forms CT before Hashi ever makes SS, Hashi can probably run away far enough. And Nagato creating CT would harm his own teammate.
P.S. - Won't respond to any responses to this or at least not until tomorrow. Gotta go do the hw.
the same size of the buddha. Not necessarily much larger, but I think they're around the same size, but assuming
Nagato's to be bigger than Deva's then yes, Nagato could make a larger CT than SS is.
Hmm... it seems Nagato is stronger than I thought. However, still, simply because of the hype Hashirama has, it is
hard to believe that Nagato is greater, especially when Kabuto himself referred to Hashirama as such a god without
ever saying anything like the sort about Nagato. Besides, by the time Hashi created SS, he could've already used it to
obliterate Sasuke and Nagato before the CT can significantly form enough to damage the SS from doing this. And if Nagato
forms CT before Hashi ever makes SS, Hashi can probably run away far enough. And Nagato creating CT would harm his own teammate.
P.S. - Won't respond to any responses to this or at least not until tomorrow. Gotta go do the hw.
Obito hyped Nagato to be invincible and unbeatable, and Obito himself was well aware of Hashirama's prowess, based on the knowledge passed down to him by Madara. Anyway, we shouldn't argue about hype at this point. And I said on my original post, that Nagato solos. I wasn't including Sasuke.
it wont be doing shit when it doesnt have enough repulsive force
Preta is not absorbing mokuton,
This is EMS sasuke, meaning no flying PS,
Sasukes PS gets eradicated by Chojo Kobetsu,, he stands no chance here either
No,im not referring to that,
the fact is that none of nagatos ST come even close to damagin SS,
not even CST is pushing CHojo Kobetsu when 11 PS-infused TBB failed to do so, and with the large cooldown after CST, means that nagato gets crushed,
Because preta cant absorb natural aspects of life such as sand, and natural lightning,
and the mokuryu canonicallly negated it,
Because EMS Sasuke doesnt have rikudos chakra
Rikudo chakra was what enabled sasuke to have wings, since the chakra is stronger
and EMS sasukes PS is completelly different to Rinnegan Sasukes, and its properties also differ, nor does it have wings,
so the result still stays the same where sasuke dies,
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Brother Numpsay
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I actually see Sasuke soloing this, assuming his EMS is fully matured. If SS wrecks in CQC, then simply fight it in Mid-long range would be the best choice. Sasukes's Susanoo already has the mobility advantage. Legged Susanoo definitely moves much better then SS. Simply keep his spacing and firing Enton arrows at SS arms. The altitude SS, with some Enton on its arms, would gather up Kirin much better here. Sasuke has to use Kirin wisely and for opening purposes only.
Also, at this point in the manga, it is clear that Susanoo is not limited to channeling Enton on Susanoo only. Sasuke should be able to augment lightening into one of the Susanoo arrows he can make. Lightening will further boost its penetrating power, much how Kakashi's kunai channeled with lightening. This will be perfect in forcing Hashirama to block the arrow with more then SS 1 arm, as it will bullet through.
Last, with spacing, using PS with distance gives Sasuke the advantage, considering the shockwaves will be reaches SS. I find it retarded that Madara never aimed the TBB+PSS at SS's main body. But Sasuke should be able to do that regardless. Worst case scenario that SS gets close, they can at least exchange blows. Then losing focused of wrecking PS, would not have Hashirama react to Kirin.
So in the end Sasuke has to play his cards right.
Also, at this point in the manga, it is clear that Susanoo is not limited to channeling Enton on Susanoo only. Sasuke should be able to augment lightening into one of the Susanoo arrows he can make. Lightening will further boost its penetrating power, much how Kakashi's kunai channeled with lightening. This will be perfect in forcing Hashirama to block the arrow with more then SS 1 arm, as it will bullet through.
Last, with spacing, using PS with distance gives Sasuke the advantage, considering the shockwaves will be reaches SS. I find it retarded that Madara never aimed the TBB+PSS at SS's main body. But Sasuke should be able to do that regardless. Worst case scenario that SS gets close, they can at least exchange blows. Then losing focused of wrecking PS, would not have Hashirama react to Kirin.
So in the end Sasuke has to play his cards right.
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Proof let's see here Pain showed no speed feat's when he was floating and same for Madara unless you can show some proof that they have some relevant speed while in air stop with that argument not like SS couldn't swat him either... Proof.(
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).Nagato face shows it all here of the strain and weakness... Obito only used the Gedo so well because of the Bijuu chakra. Madara only because it was his actual rinnegan...
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Kurama that is 4x smaller than the one SS held is still at a huge stature compared to Nagato CT... Also here it's quite clear that 2 of SS hands are as big as mountains about 300 hands would crush Nagato's CT.(
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). Then proceed to crush him. Also Gedo Mazo is quite small without the Bijuu.(
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). Also this scan here.(
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).No he gets raped, no matter how matured his EMS gets,
Hashiramas entire arsenal is designed for mid/long range combat, sasuke would still die if he resorts to this way of combat
Susanoo still has no hopes of bypassing SS, nor does it have the durability to tank Chojo Kobetsu (CK)
legged susanoos better mobility is not helping when PS kurama failed as well, its not evading the AOE of a juubi sized structure
You mean the same enton arrows that were deflected by mere chakra rods?
they are not doing shit here,
Too bad that SS tanks kirin with little to no damage
Lightning is still not be enough to bypass SS, so its non factor
Madara actually aimed towards the real body, however hashirama was able to use its hands to tank the attack and then breach his PS, sasuke is not gettiing any advantage here at all
Sasuke is either using his PS slashes, or he is using Kirin,
he is not doing two things at the same time,
either way hashirama can block kirin with mokuton hobi, not that it matters since sasuke would die before the jutsu is even executed
No he gets raped, no matter what he does
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Not really, no Mokuton has speed feats to keep up with legged Susanoo.
PS kurama never failed in something it never attempt. Legged Susanoo was able to jump and cut of a bigger branch from Shinju tree, bigger breaches were at a higher altitude. And shown to leap forward towards Juubito with great distance. Edo Madara, Edo Tobirama, Edo Hiruzen, and Edo Hashirama already shown that they can leap at the distance too, to where they are at from something to Juubi himself, or something at its size/height via Deity Gates. Super leaps aren't a problem basically. Even legged Madara shown when leaving the FTW area.
Dont see what that has to do with my point, My point is that Enton will stick/splash on parts of the on the construction, nothing else. Once splash, and the Mokuton arm recedes, it will go back to its position to strike again. Going back to its position will have the heat of Enton be closer in the atmosphere.
Good thing my premise states catching Hashirama off guard, so he wont prepare himself to react.
Susanoo arrow naturally can pierce through a Mokuton. Raiton will naturally increase its usual penetration power.
No he didn't Madara did no such thing and the directions of the TBB shows where it was going towards. Hashirama already admitted Mokuton will not be able to catch the bladeTBB so therefore its impossible for his attack to move the position of the TBB.
Sasuke has stated Kirin is not chakra base, it doesn't consume his chakra. He only needs Chodori to control its direction. So he can use it when he needs it. A distracted/focused Hashirama isnt going to react to something coming 1/1000th of a second
Dont see why that matters when SS stilll rapes him,
they are not evading Chojjo Kobetsu
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Hashirama doesnt even have to aim chojo right towards sasuke,
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as its AOE covers and dwarves multiple mountains ranges which sasuke is certainly not evading Enton is not pushing Chojo Kobetsu at all,
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and despite chojo kobetsu being weakened,
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when chojo kobetsu wasnt halted by an attack that takes a dump on anything sasuke could dish out, means that enton iis fodder
Bad thing that you have not explained how he's caught off guard,
or how sasuke even stands a remote chance at soloing this,
actually no it cant, and i need proof on how powerful a susanoo arrow really is
as its certainly blocked by jukai kotan with ease,
not that it matters since hashirama can just use his mokutons to deflect the arrow,
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hashirama does this with utmost ease, through his stronger and larger mokutons again, where did i state that kirin is chakra?
hashirama can still tank it with mokuton hobi,
he can most certainly react to sasuke
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not to mention that none of this even matters when sasuke dies before this jutsu is even prepped
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Speed is the same whether you're floating or on ground. It doesn't change, thus any speed feats done by Deva Path on the ground, will also be equal to his speed on air. And what are Deva Path's speed on ground? Keeping up with 6-Tailed Kyuubi and fighting on par with SM Naruto, as well as Kakashi. And if Nagato needs more speed for his flight, he can always boost it with Asura Path's foot-jet. [
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] Why bringing Madara to this? You're losing an argument and deciding to spam off topic, huh. @Underlined: Nope. Did you see Madara having his Chakra drained out when manipulating Gedo Mazou, and that was after he had given his Rinnegan? No. Don't bother coming with Uchiha and Senju DNA, because that's the other way to manipulate the statue aside the Rinnegan. @Bold: I'll repeat again: If you don't know how to scale sizes, don't argue about it. The scan hardly shows any angle for you to speculate Kurama is almost the size of CT. I've already given you links of both calc done about those Jutsu, stop denying it. CT squashes SS and Hashirama.Inconsistencies. [
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I wasn't referring to ST as being use to destroy the Buddha, rather Im saying nagato can use it defensively to repel the wooden fists. Sasuke's PS can probably tank SS for 5 seconds, until the cooldown time is over
Preta absorbs all ninjutsu, but I actually agree that it won't work in this case since SS comes from the ground and is just infused with Hashirama's chakra, so even if he absorbs the chakra within the fists he still gets crushed. For example, if Hashirama "spat out" his wooden Buddha the same way Akatsuchi can spit out his rock golem, then it would be completely absorbed.
I don't think Rikudou chakra gave Sasuke's susano'o wings, I'm pretty sure it's always been that way.
And like i said, ST doesnt have the repulsive force to be able to protect nagato from the fists
not to mention that nagato would have a long cool down after CST as hashirma eradicates him in that period of time,
Sasukes PS dooesnt have the durability to tank Chojo Kobetsu either, when Madaras PS (a stronger PS) was busted by a Chojo Kobetsu which was weakened by multiple PS-infused TBB,
Sasuke here doesnt even have the firepower of kurama to atleast weaken Chojo, he gets eradicated completely
Yes
No its the mokuton nature as a whole that preta is not absorbing,
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which is the natural aspect of life, wood is just the same, its not being absorbed regardless of how its released, earth style however is a chakra nature, it gets absorbed just like any other katon, suiton etc,
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until he actually recieved chakra from hagoromo,.which is a huge boost, it is fair to say that this PS is what EMS Sasuke is capable of,
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No its not,
EMS Sasukes PS was later even boosted by senjutsu, however it didnt have anyy wings at all,
hagoromos chakra is a huge boost as seen how kakashi was able to manifest a PS with wings right off the bat,
EMS Sasukes PS didnt have any wings despite beeing boosted, claiming that he can magically form wings in his EMS form is fanfic at its finest
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Legged Sus has shown to leap away of mountain range so that isn't going to be a problem. And it also is determine how far they are from each other, from the start.
SS leveling the ground isn't going to destroy Susanoo. Thats the same argument Sakura debaters use via punching the ground KO.
Second time you misinterpret my point. I didn't say anything of Enton pushing Mokuton.
Yes I have, you are literally attempting to counter my points right now.
Premise 1. Sasuke used Long range to gather up Kirin via legged Susanoo
Premise 2. Sasuke attempts to use PS at mid-long range, once Kirin is prepped, to attempt to at least exchange blow(s) with SS.
Premise 3. SS wrecking PS with chojo kobetsu, which shows all the focus of attack power, leaves Hashirama not focusing on a tech that comes out 1/1000 sec.
My whole premise was to force Hashirama to block it, which he will...
You were telling me Sasuke cannot multitask PS and Kirin. That shouldn't be a problem to do, unless his chakra use won't let him. So I assume you meant he can't do that because of it. So using Chodori and PS at the same time shouldn't be a problem
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