EMS Sasuke and Nagato vs SM Hashirama

[Beans2]

Location: Konoha Crater
Intel: Manga
Distance: 60 meters
Conditions: Nagato is healthy. All are alive.

 

[Transcendence]

Scenario 1: Unless Sasuke has PS (and it has to be scaled to a high degree), Shinsenjuu takes Team 1 out.

Scenario 2: Same result as Scenario 1 but a lot easier.

 

[Demonic.]

SS wrecks both.


Sasuke even limits Nagato's Chibaku tensei and Shinra tensei.

 

[Draphsin]

I don't see team winning S1, so S2 is an obvious win for hashi as well.

 

[Beans2]

Dang, looks like I underrated Hashirama. About to change intel to manga and I'm removing Scenario 2.

 

[Eternal Sage]

SS smacks them both

 

[Eternal Sage]

Dang, looks like I underrated Hashirama. About to change intel to manga and I'm removing Scenario 2.

Only thing that can make this fight fair is restricting SS

 

[Beans2]

Only thing that can make this fight fair is restricting SS

Perfect Susano'o...? Shinra Tensei?

 

[Blunt]

Only thing that can make this fight fair is restricting SS

You restrict SS, Hashirama loses mid difficulty at best.

 

[KidGamer65]

Shinsuusenju pounds them both. Hell, considering a Senjutsu Mokujin was stalemating Madara's PS, which is stronger than Sasuke's, SS isn't needed, but the difficulty will increase. Mokuton Clones handle Nagato (since all that is needed to handle him is his base arsenal), and SM Hashirama handles EMS Sasuke.

Hashirama wins mid-high diff w/o Shinsuusenju.

He wins mid diff w/ Shinsuusenju.

 

[Haizaki]

Hashirama wins with or without SS.

 

[Bronze]

Nagato solos SM Hashirama, Shinsuusenju restricted or not.

-Preta Path as described in the databook, absorbs any Chakra related attack. Since Mokuton has Hashirama's Chakra flows within them to control them, his Chakra on contact with Preta Path is absorbed. Thus, most of Hashirama's techniques become useless.

-Nagato's sensory allows him to detect Flower Tree World, and avoid it with Deva Path's flight. Afterwards, he nukes the flower with Asura Path rockets.

-Mokujin is overpowered by Gedo Mazo, who has the AOE to destroy it and physical strength to stalemate it.

All being established, it comes to the Shinsuusenju. Chibaku Tensei makes its complete stage and Nagato drops it on the statue, and kills Hashirama in process.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Nagato solos SM Hashirama, Shinsuusenju restricted or not.

-Preta Path as described in the databook, absorbs any Chakra related attack. Since Mokuton has Hashirama's Chakra flows within them to control them, his Chakra on contact with Preta Path is absorbed. Thus, most of Hashirama's techniques become useless.

-Nagato's sensory allows him to detect Flower Tree World, and avoid it with Deva Path's flight. Afterwards, he nukes the flower with Asura Path rockets.

-Mokujin is overpowered by Gedo Mazo, who has the AOE to destroy it and physical strength to stalemate it.

All being established, it comes to the Shinsuusenju. Chibaku Tensei makes its complete stage and Nagato drops it on the statue, and kills Hashirama in process.

Hashirama has SM so he can try to absorb as much Mokuton as he wants and he'll be turned into a statute ... Deva path flight speed is piss poor just saying... Nagato cannon can't use the Gedo Mazo like Obito or Madara can and even if he could not for long... Chibaku Tensei is crushed with little to no effort... Before or after it's finished...

Half Kurama wasn't much smaller than Nagato's Ct.(

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). Kurama got atleast 4x smaller.(

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). Shinsuusenjutsu held full Kurama in it's hand.(

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). About 300 hands would turn that CT into dust... Another 300 would rip Gedo Mazo Limb from Limb... Another 300 kills Nagato...

 

[Bronze]

Hashirama has SM so he can try to absorb as much Mokuton as he wants and he'll be turned into a statute ... Deva path flight speed is piss poor just saying... Nagato cannon can't use the Gedo Mazo like Obito or Madara can and even if he could not for long... Chibaku Tensei is crushed with little to no effort... Before or after it's finished...

As long as Nagato doesn't absorb direct SM from Hashirama, he has nothing to fear. @Underlined: Proof? @Bold: Proof?

Half Kurama wasn't much smaller than Nagato's Ct.(x). Kurama got atleast 4x smaller.(x). Shinsuusenjutsu held full Kurama in it's hand.(x). About 300 hands would turn that CT into dust... Another 300 would rip Gedo Mazo Limb from Limb... Another 300 kills Nagato...

You obviously can't scale That's anime which animates at a different size than Kishi's drawing. This is the size of

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. This is the size of

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. Compare sizes and Chibaku Tensei breaks the statue like a wrecking ball.

 

[Tarinth]

^Even in the manga though, 8 Tails Kurama was shown to be escaping the CT, and being around the same size of it.
So unless you are suggesting that 8 Tails of Half Kurama >>>> Full Kurama in size, then no, SS is much bigger
and would literally catch the CT that Nagato tosses onto him.

Nagato's CT looked pretty impressive, but it really isn't, especially compared to Hashirama and Madara level of techs.
Only Madara's CT would be big enough to crush Hashirama's SS. Nagato's ain't doing it at all.

 

[ARGUS]

Hashirama wins this mid diff at most

--Neither of them stand any chance whatsoever against SS, which crushes them like bugs, Sasukes PS is utmost fodder in comparison to it, when his PS gets eradicated by only one Chojo Kobetsu, just how madaras PS did, despite having the firepower of kyuubi,

--Nagato is not doing shit either, his preta is moot in comparison to hashiramas mokuton, and he gets crushed just like sasuke, as none of his jutsus even stand a chance at scratching the structure,

--CT isnt doing anything either, when hashirama can just use his Chojo Kobetsu (which overpowered 11 PS-infused TBB) to eradicate the orb with utmost ease,

 

[Bronze]

^Even in the manga though, 8 Tails Kurama was shown to be escaping the CT, and being around the same size of it.
So unless you are suggesting that 8 Tails of Half Kurama >>>> Full Kurama in size, then no, SS is much bigger
and would literally catch the CT that Nagato tosses onto him.

Who escaped it doesn't matter. You still have yet to logically disprove how Shinsusenju survives CT falling down on it.

Nagato's CT looked pretty impressive, but it really isn't, especially compared to Hashirama and Madara level of techs.
Only Madara's CT would be big enough to crush Hashirama's SS. Nagato's ain't doing it at all.

Nagato's CT > Deva Path's CT, since his Chakra is all focused together.

 

[Tarinth]

Who escaped it doesn't matter. You still have yet to logically disprove how Shinsusenju survives CT falling down on it.

I meant that 8 Tails Kurama, which escaped, looked to be around the size of the CT. So my point was that the size of CT was
actually <<< size of Shisuusenjuu, so unless you believe Nagato can toss that thing at like a thousand mph, which there has
been no evidence to suggest that he can.... Nagato can't smash through Shisuusenjuu. The CT might have been drawn to be
big, but Kishi is very inconsistent with his scaling. If we take Kurama to be the constant, and full Kurama to be 4 times greater
than the 8 tails kurama, the buddha is like 20 times larger than CT since the buddha was around 5 times the size of full kurama.

As for your point about Nagato's CT being greater than Deva's.... agreed. But we have no idea how much greater it is. It could be
like 1.5 times greater or 3 times greater but it would all be speculation. And it'd have to be 20 times larger to be the size of SS
and I doubt that Nagato is THAT much more powerful than his Deva path.

 

[Bronze]

I meant that 8 Tails Kurama, which escaped, looked to be around the size of the CT. So my point was that the size of CT was.

No it didn't. And if it did, the angle changed the perspective.

actually <<< size of Shisuusenjuu, so unless you believe Nagato can toss that thing at like a thousand mph, which there has

No, it's not. Check the calc link I posted. CT is bigger.

been no evidence to suggest that he can.... Nagato can't smash through Shisuusenjuu. The CT might have been drawn to be
big, but Kishi is very inconsistent with his scaling. If we take Kurama to be the constant, and full Kurama to be 4 times greater
than the 8 tails kurama, the buddha is like 20 times larger than CT since the buddha was around 5 times the size of full kurama

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Kishi is not inconsistent in drawing CT, because he scaled it perfectly. Then NF calculates CT and SS, CT is bigger. Now we know CT is bigger, we can conclude it will demolish SS when it falls, because it contains great mass and velocity.

As for your point about Nagato's CT being greater than Deva's.... agreed. But we have no idea how much greater it is. It could be
like 1.5 times greater or 3 times greater but it would all be speculation. And it'd have to be 20 times larger to be the size of SS
and I doubt that Nagato is THAT much more powerful than his Deva path.

Visualize it: Nagato's Chakra is divided among his 6 Paths, meaning 1/6 of each body receiving Nagato's Chakra. Since this is Nagato himself, it will be 6x times greater than Deva Path. Do not also forget Nagato used CT at a very exhausted state and almost out of Chakra.

 

[Tarinth]

Erm... the calculation for CT link doesn't work....