EMS Sasuke and Nagato vs SM Hashirama

[ARGUS]

Legged Sus has shown to leap away of mountain range so that isn't going to be a problem. And it also is determine how far they are from each other, from the start.

Proof?, because no one above BM Narutos shunshin has shown that feat,
Sasukes susanoo is not evading multiple mountain ranges,

SS leveling the ground isn't going to destroy Susanoo. Thats the same argument Sakura debaters use via punching the ground KO.

A weakened chojo kobetsu where several arms were destroyed, still managed to bust a stronger PS after only one hit,
Sasukes PS gets eradicated, especially when the attack can be landed quite well seeing how the hands would cover multiple mountain ranges,

this isnt the same argument as sakura debaters either, since chojo is exactly landed here, not just used on the ground

Second time you misinterpret my point. I didn't say anything of Enton pushing Mokuton.

ok, then enton should be non factor even in ur premise

Yes I have, you are literally attempting to counter my points right now.
Premise 1. Sasuke used Long range to gather up Kirin via legged Susanoo

Hashirama sees the dragon like features of the jutsu, as well as the downward movement of the jutsu, and blocks it with his mokuton
or he simply kills sasuke with SS before the jutsu is even prepped,

Premise 2. Sasuke attempts to use PS at mid-long range, once Kirin is prepped, to attempt to at least exchange blow(s) with SS.

SS is designed for Mid/Long range combat,
SS would squash his PS and eradicate him before he even dreams of prepping kirin
his PS gets crushed the same wayy madaras PS did, who attempted to fight SS in mid/long range combat as well

Premise 3. SS wrecking PS with chojo kobetsu, which shows all the focus of attack power, leaves Hashirama not focusing on a tech that comes out 1/1000 sec.

Sasuke is either prepping Kirin, or he is using PS slashes
he is not doing both at the same time,
and with sasuke lacking the output of kurama to weaken Chojo Kobetsu (CK) means that the attack goes through his weaker susanoo and crushes him

My whole premise was to force Hashirama to block it, which he will...

Ok

You were telling me Sasuke cannot multitask PS and Kirin. That shouldn't be a problem to do, unless his chakra use won't let him. So I assume you meant he can't do that because of it. So using Chodori and PS at the same time shouldn't be a problem

No because sasuke is either using PS slashes or he is using/prepping Kirin,
he is not doing 2 things at a time,
Chidori and PS are different since that is literally involved in combining the attacks to the construct,

this example is like looking at right and left at the same time, its not happening,

 

[Demonic.]

Kirin couldn't even kill Itachi who blocked it with Ribcage Susano what's it doing to SS?

 

[ARGUS]

Kirin couldn't even kill Itachi who blocked it with Ribcage Susano what's it doing to SS?

lmao no way in hell was it a ribcage susanoo, when ribcage has been busted by Ays lateral chop, and kabutos suiton, both of which are nowhere near kirin,
kirin most likely raped V3 susanoo,

 

[Demonic.]

lmao no way in hell was it a ribcage susanoo, when ribcage has been busted by Ays lateral chop, and kabutos suiton, both of which are nowhere near kirin,
kirin most likely raped V3 susanoo,

Or maybe it was Yata Mirror Lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

Speed is the same whether you're floating or on ground. It doesn't change, thus any speed feats done by Deva Path on the ground, will also be equal to his speed on air. And what are Deva Path's speed on ground? Keeping up with 6-Tailed Kyuubi and fighting on par with SM Naruto, as well as Kakashi. And if Nagato needs more speed for his flight, he can always boost it with Asura Path's foot-jet. [

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] Why bringing Madara to this? You're losing an argument and deciding to spam off topic, huh. @Underlined: Nope. Did you see Madara having his Chakra drained out when manipulating Gedo Mazou, and that was after he had given his Rinnegan? No. Don't bother coming with Uchiha and Senju DNA, because that's the other way to manipulate the statue aside the Rinnegan. @Bold: I'll repeat again: If you don't know how to scale sizes, don't argue about it. The scan hardly shows any angle for you to speculate Kurama is almost the size of CT. I've already given you links of both calc done about those Jutsu, stop denying it. CT squashes SS and Hashirama.



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@BOLD what is your proof? Oonoki was keeping up with Deidara in the air on his bird he surely couldn't do that on feet... Keeping up SM Naruto the same guy that was basically blitz by eyeless Madara. Hashirama fought Madara without SM while Madara had pre-cog via sharingan... Hashirama speed>Nagato/Pains... I was using as en example not sure why you got offended...

@RED- Not even sure what your talking about but ok... @Blue basicing your argument someone's calculations Lol ok ill make some accurate calc of Shinsuusenju...

Firstly i want to point out that these Mini Juubi's are summonings size.(

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). Not to mention Ps hands are easily summoning size and im talking about the little ones.(

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). Ps and Mokujin are easily the same size and Mokujin was able to fit on the Buddha head like a small hat.(

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This is how they would look together.(

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).Nagato Ct would get wrecked and your talking like he can't crush the CT before it get bigger... Also a flying Rasenshuriken explosion was damn nearly the size of the CT creator.(

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[Bronze]

@BOLD what is your proof? Oonoki was keeping up with Deidara in the air on his bird he surely couldn't do that on feet... Keeping up SM Naruto the same guy that was basically blitz by eyeless Madara. Hashirama fought Madara without SM while Madara had pre-cog via sharingan... Hashirama speed>Nagato/Pains... I was using as en example not sure why you got offended...

Obviously not, because Onoki has back problems to render his foot-speed useless, so he has to fly instead. You don't have any proof that Hashirama had the physical attributes to keep up with Madara, considering the panels of their fights showed only they were on par in Ninjutsu. So don't bother using fan-fic feats that don't exist in the manga.

@RED- Not even sure what your talking about but ok... @Blue basicing your argument someone's calculations ok ill make some accurate calc of Shinsuusenju...

You said Gedo Mazou without Bijuu would stab Nagato and drain his Chakra due to the non-presence of the Bijuu; yet Madara used it and absorbed Gedo Mazou's Chakra instead. So, your assertion is incorrect. Hm...I'm trusting a person's calculation because he/she actually used pixels to do so, whereas I won't listen to some guy using his eyes and can't even scale in the matter to calculate here. Who will I trust? Thought so.

Firstly i want to point out that these Mini Juubi's are summonings size.(x). The Hotei gates makes them look puny and also Madara's Ps makes the hotei gates look way puny.(x). Not to mention Ps hands are easily summoning size and im talking about the little ones.(x). Ps and Mokujin are easily the same size and Mokujin was able to fit on the Buddha head like a small hat.(x).

You obviously didn't take consideration of Mokujin was significantly enhanced by Hashirama's SM, and Hashirama manipulating the construction size of his Mokuton at will. Here is a better scaling: Shinsuusenju's main body is around 3x times bigger than Full Kurama [

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]. PS unstabilized is equal to Full Kurama [

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] Therefore, you would conclude PS standing is around SS's main body, I repeat main body; not including the arms.

This is how they would look together.(x).Nagato Ct would get wrecked and your talking like he can't crush the CT before it get bigger... Also a flying Rasenshuriken explosion was damn nearly the size of the CT creator.(x).

Obviously not, since every panel you copied to the image would have different scaling. Take Hachibi as an example, and put him there, you distinguishably see him on the Island Turtle, yet when confronting the Juubi, he looked around its mouth. Inaccurate. CT squashes SS.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Nagato has a better chance on his own. With Sasuke there, he can't freely use his Planetary Devastation (which can counter SS). Nor can he use his massive Almighty push to repel wood techniques (without pushing Sasuke away too).

 

[Beans2]

Really Madara Rules, you are saying Pain's flight speed is automatically as fast as his foot speed? That is wrong on so many levels.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Obviously not, because Onoki has back problems to render his foot-speed useless, so he has to fly instead. You don't have any proof that Hashirama had the physical attributes to keep up with Madara, considering the panels of their fights showed only they were on par in Ninjutsu. So don't bother using fan-fic feats that don't exist in the manga.

So Hashirama couldn't fight on par with Madara in hand to hand combat? I quit... Scans aren't needed for common sense if there rivals how the world can't he fight on par with him in Taijutsu? Not to mention Hashirama always had the edge over him in the long run...

You said Gedo Mazou without Bijuu would stab Nagato and drain his Chakra due to the non-presence of the Bijuu; yet Madara used it and absorbed Gedo Mazou's Chakra instead. So, your assertion is incorrect. Hm...I'm trusting a person's calculation because he/she actually used pixels to do so, whereas I won't listen to some guy using his eyes and can't even scale in the matter to calculate here. Who will I trust? Thought so.

Basing your argument on another person terrible calc that has no credibility behide them l0l... What would stop Hashirama from obliterating the Ct orb?

You obviously didn't take consideration of Mokujin was significantly enhanced by Hashirama's SM, and Hashirama manipulating the construction size of his Mokuton at will. Here is a better scaling: Shinsuusenju's main body is around 3x times bigger than Full Kurama [

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]. PS unstabilized is equal to Full Kurama [

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]. Full unstabalized PS is twice bigger than Full Kurama [

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] Therefore, you would conclude PS standing is around SS's main body, I repeat main body; not including the arms.

So wait Mokujin wasn't SM inhanced when it was on Hashirama's Buddha did you forget he was already in SM when he made both of them l0l... How is Shinsuusenjutsu is only 3x Bigger than Kurama when it held full Kurama like a toy?(

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). Full Kurama isn't even 4x smaller than Shinsuusenju arm...

Obviously not, since every panel you copied to the image would have different scaling. Take Hachibi as an example, and put him there, you distinguishably see him on the Island Turtle, yet when confronting the Juubi, he looked around its mouth. Inaccurate. CT squashes SS.

Hachibi is the size of Juubi's finger.(

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[Conspirator.]

Hashirama would solo. THe buddha outright overpowers CT, Sasuke's PS and any other moves team 1 has to offer.

 

[Bronze]

Really Madara Rules, you are saying Pain's flight speed is automatically as fast as his foot speed? That is wrong on so many levels.

If you say so...

So Hashirama couldn't fight on par with Madara in hand to hand combat? I quit... Scans aren't needed for common sense if there rivals how the world can't he fight on par with him in Taijutsu? Not to mention Hashirama always had the edge over him in the long run...

Just like how you asked scans for Bee making his clones use Bijuu cloak, I have the rights to ask the same as well. There is no common sense for Hashirama to fight on par against Madara, since the information we have about Hashirama's fighting style is:

1). He fights from long-range, as all of his techniques are designed that way.
2). He has healing power, which means it's a way to protect him from close-combat; and that matters if Hashirama himself can't fight from long-range.

Thirdly, if he was on par with Madara in combat, he wouldn't have rods stuck up on his back after his revival. Nagato, in close combat, obliterates him. Asura Path can serve as a boost in speed and physical strength, Human Path can remove his soul on contact, and the feats of hand-to-hand combat Nagato has. When you show me feats of Hashirama's Taijutsu, we can talk.

Basing your argument on another person terrible calc that has no credibility behide them l0l... What would stop Hashirama from obliterating the Ct orb?

It's pretty clear you have no valid argument against the calc, seeing as how bad you are in maths and bad in discussing & debating, as well. The orb will be to high for the statue to reach to begin with.

So wait Mokujin wasn't SM inhanced when it was on Hashirama's Buddha did you forget he was already in SM when he made both of them l0l... How is Shinsuusenjutsu is only 3x Bigger than Kurama when it held full Kurama like a toy?(x). Full Kurama isn't even 4x smaller than Shinsuusenju arm...

It's not going to be enhanced when Hashirama already brought up a multi-mountain technique, and there is no need for Mokujin to be enhanced in size at that time. And I forgot, Mokujin in base is around the Kyuubi's size, so this confirms my scaling right that it got boosted in size against Edo Madara.

Hachibi is the size of Juubi's finger.(x).

Try to actually maintain your original argument, please. We're talking about V3 Juubi. [

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