EMS Sasuke vs 3rd Raikage

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Apêx1

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the hachibi was weakened because he exists within bee, and both exist outside of the seal. Kurama exists inside of the seal, therefore he was not weakened. Further proof that this did not apply to kurama is the fact that bee and the hachibi couldn't even manifest themselves, only part of themselves, within naruto while yang kurama is there in full power and form.
Alright, I conceded reading KG's post.

Please present your argument as in scans that show explosions that falsify my example.

COFRS exploded into a wind sphere which is simply far more concentrated than a normal explosion. The FRS that blew up in the chibaku tensei crater just blew up, it didn't turn into the sphere of fuuton needles, thus we got to see the raw power of the attack when it's not concentrated on such a small area of effect.

There's even more proof that it's exactly as powerful as a I claim it to be in the kurama fight when it damages kurama more than 25 mountain hollowing attacks. Even if you make the unsupported claim that naruto's for some reason was much stronger than he normally was, that doesn't affect SM FRS > 25 SM chou oodama rasengans.

Finally, BM naruto's rasenshuriken was powerful enough to cut through the juubi's tails. These are the same tails that withstood a bijuudama from bee, V1 enhanced giant cutting fuutons from temari and the other wind users, V1 enhanced chakra blades from mifune and the samurai and V1 enhanced air palms from the hyuuga clan.

So literally all the evidence points compellingly to what I'm asserting that SM FRS is at.
I have already presented scans of FRS [ ][ ][ ][ ].
In no way is it ever something comparable to the debris generated, I don't even understand how this is arguable. Have Temari shoot a Futon at the Debris and the debris goes far higher than her actual Futon's detonation. FRS is by no means several times higher mountains, I repeat, by no means. Not to mention, even if hypothetically speaking, Naruto's FRS did that, it still wouldn't be attributable since every other time didn't compare, and that's with COFRS included.

Based on what? Since when can FRS 'just blow up'? It either expands into the windsphere or does nothing at all. Similar to Rasengan, it either explodes or doesn't, there's no in-between and never was. Where is this 'explosion' argument even coming from? Only because we didn't see the wind sphere doesn't mean it's safe to assume it didn't happen, as every FRS ever shown has expanded into a wind sphere, and similarly to the time Sasuke/Naruto launched Enton projectiles/FRS, we couldn't see the explosion, but rather the dust cloud after it [ ], which was as large as the Jubi's body. Does that mean that FRS didn't expand, but rather exploded and encompassed such a massive area? Simple answer is no.

And stop with the mountain hollowing attacks, I already debunked this notion. DB says the entire mountain is hollowed, which literally means the entirety of a mountain. FRS's wind sphere doesn't even encompass a mountain's volume in the first place, so that is already out of question. What's even more ludicrous is that you are claiming 25 entire mountain hollowers still pale in comparison to FRS, meaning FRS is comparable/above Flash Bijuu Dama at this point, with a far smaller chakra exertion. Might as well use 100 clones, throw FRS's, and encompass 2500 mountains, wows.
 
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I have already presented scans of FRS [ ][ ][ ][ ].
In no way is it ever something comparable to the debris generated, I don't even understand how this is arguable. Have Temari shoot a Futon at the Debris and the debris goes far higher than her actual Futon's detonation. FRS is by no means several times higher mountains, I repeat, by no means. Not to mention, even if hypothetically speaking, Naruto's FRS did that, it still wouldn't be attributable since every other time didn't compare, and that's with COFRS included.
This would be you conceding the argument as I literally addressed this in the post that you've just quoted:
COFRS exploded into a wind sphere which is simply far more concentrated than a normal explosion. The FRS that blew up in the chibaku tensei crater just blew up, it didn't turn into the sphere of fuuton needles, thus we got to see the raw power of the attack when it's not concentrated on such a small area of effect.
Then there's the fact that you fallaciously presuppose that naruto's rasenshuriken in the chibaku tensei crater turned into the wind sphere, yet sent debris flying as a result which is impossible since we saw enormous rocks being thrown kilometers into the sky which would be impossible if the rasenshuriken turned into the wind sphere as we see it doesn't even send shinobi alliance people flying, nor does it ever blow giant debri into the air, and create an explosion that large whenever it turns into a wind sphere.

Also, if temari's fuuton did cause an explosion far larger than the AoE of her fuuton, then it just means that her fuuton is equal to an explosion of that magnitude. But of course, we've never seen temari's fuuton do such a thing or be implied to be capable of doing such a thing.

Based on what? Since when can FRS 'just blow up'? It either expands into the windsphere or does nothing at all. Similar to Rasengan, it either explodes or doesn't, there's no in-between and never was. Where is this 'explosion' argument even coming from? Only because we didn't see the wind sphere doesn't mean it's safe to assume it didn't happen, as every FRS ever shown has expanded into a wind sphere, and similarly to the time Sasuke/Naruto launched Enton projectiles/FRS, we couldn't see the explosion, but rather the dust cloud after it [ ], which was as large as the Jubi's body. Does that mean that FRS didn't expand, but rather exploded and encompassed such a massive area? Simple answer is no.
Reread the above argument. It's literally impossible for the rasenshuriken to have turned into a wind sphere when it missed deva path as he wind sphere can't even send humans flying, yet it sent giant rocks kilometers into the air, along with creating an explosion that's larger than mountains.

The enton vs rasenshuriken dust cloud is a perfect example for my argument as the rasenshuriken turned into the wind sphere, yet it doesn't produce a gigantic explosion like the one we saw at the chibaku tensei crater, nor does it kick up giant boulders.

And stop with the mountain hollowing attacks, I already debunked this notion. DB says the entire mountain is hollowed, which literally means the entirety of a mountain. FRS's wind sphere doesn't even encompass a mountain's volume in the first place, so that is already out of question. What's even more ludicrous is that you are claiming 25 entire mountain hollowers still pale in comparison to FRS, meaning FRS is comparable/above Flash Bijuu Dama at this point, with a far smaller chakra exertion. Might as well use 100 clones, throw FRS's, and encompass 2500 mountains, wows.
The bolded is the equivalent of asserting that a FRS's wind sphere = the power of an explosion of the same size. If you want to assert that, then back up that assertion with an argument. I can easily disprove that, since if FRS's power is limited to its AoE, then you'd have to believe that the 50% FRS NAruto used on kakuzu = SM FRS or KCM FRS despite the later two being on a completely different level of power by both feats and hype.
CS2 Sasuke could survive deidara's C2 which produces an explosion thousands of times larger than oonoki's jinton cube he used on MS Sasuke. Do you believe that Cs2 Sasuke would be able to survive oonoki's jinton cube? Or that deidara's C2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oonoki's jinton cube? If not, why not? And why would that same logic not apply to the rasenshuriken's wind sphere?

FRS doesn't have to be above flash bijuudama in order to hollow out 25 mountains as 'mountains' in the NV can radically vary in size. Even a normal bijuudama can vaporize far more than 25 mountains if they are the NV's lower limit, and here's the proof don't ignore it:
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As you can see, the kumo mountains are still mountains, yet you could fit way more than 25 of them in the AoE of bee's whirlwind. Bee's whirlwind has the same AoE as a normal bijuudama, and unlike a SM Chou oodama rasengan (which only hollows out a mountain), bijuudama would completely vaporize those mountains which requires much more power.


Oh yeah, and you completely ignored the part of my post that showed the BM FRS cut through the juubi's tails, the same tails that took bee's bijuudama, tons of giant kyuubi powered fuutons and chakra blades (some even from temari and mifune) as well as air palms from the hyuuga.
 
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