[Discussion] Why you say Vergo is the 2nd strongest DD member?
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Why was Vergo send out to retrieve Law another potential heart seat, and why was Doffy so confident in Vergo's ability to beat Law to a pulp ?
Apparently Doffy thinks that Vergo is in another league compared to Law who was chosen to be in a card seat.
Just the air movement of Vergo's swing with his bamboo stick is enough to bend thick metal doors, what do you think what would happen if Vergo actually connects a blow against Pica's stone body ?
How do you think Pica would be able to hit Vergo, who has Soru and Geppou.
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1- DD didnt know Law had gotten stronger
2- So DD has confidence in Vergo that he can defeat Law? So what? Pica said he can take out all the marines and pirates on the island and DD never said "Thats BS you cant"
So Pica>Fujitora then?
Vergo is responsible for PH and the others are busy with their respective works.
He decided to raise him to the level of a seat but that doesn't automatically put him on the same level as seats. I don't remember Joker saying that Law is on the same level as his seats before his battle with Vergo.
Did I said anything about Pica vs Vergo?
Whatever, he needs to locate Pica's body to do so which is not an easy task.
A better question would be what do u think Vergo can do against Pica's statue?
Whatever,I don't care about who's stronger than who and as bogard already said they are on the same level.
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and??? why does that matter??? did sanji defeat vergo?????
Law who is stronger than or on par with luffy fought and defeated vergo....
Yet Law could beat Trebol with no problem who is in fact an elite executive however when it came to Vergo Law got lucky that Vergo believed he could tank Law's attack.
The fact Doflamingo sent out Vergo to take out Law who Doflamingo believed had the power to be in an seated position shows Vergo>Pica, Trebol, Diamante.
1) Irrelevant, of course Doflamingo knew Law had gotten stronger he was planning on giving him the seated position I think you meant Doflamingo didn't realize Law had gotten 'that' strong.
2) Difference is that was Doflamingo hyping up Vergo while Pica is just a dog with all bark and no bite the fact he actually stated he believed he could beat Fujitora shows us how much of an overconfident weakling he actually is.
That's like saying Caesar defeated Luffy. He was just caught by surprised in a vulnerable position
You keep saying the same thing and i don't think you ever intend to understand my points, so whatever
If you say whatever one more time I'm forced to think you're a giggly teen girl.
Vergo is responsible for PH and the others are busy with their respective works.
He decided to raise him to the level of a seat but that doesn't automatically put him on the same level as seats. I don't remember Joker saying that Law is on the same level as his seats before his battle with Vergo.
Did I said anything about Pica vs Vergo?
Whatever, he needs to locate Pica's body to do so which is not an easy task.
A better question would be what do u think Vergo can do against Pica's statue?
Whatever,I don't care about who's stronger than who and as bogard already said they are on the same level.
Let's say that Doflamingo puts people in a chair once they have a certain base strength, let's establish that on 100 Strength for now.
If Doffy suspects that Law reached that 100 strength and he wanted to put him in the heart chair he needed to send someone who has more than 100 strength. So let's assume that Doffy thinks Vergo is 120 and sends him to retrieve and beat Law with his 100 strength then Vergo is assumed to be stronger than his card seats, it doesn't matter if Law might be 130 strength at the time because that was unknown for Doffy. If Doffy knew Law was at 130 he would've never send Vergo in.
Vergo is his oldest friend and his right hand man, it's weird to think anyone other within the crew is stonger.
I don't care that you didn't say anything about Pica, because I said something about Pica and that is what this thread is also partially about.
How Vergo damages Pica ? Easy, I also said it already you must have missed in so I will just copy paste.
Also Vergo can geppou all around that sluggish stone statue without being affraid of getting hit.
Luffy, King of Prodence, Don Chinjao and Zoro all broke the statue, so it's hardly impressive at this point to break Pica in stone form, he is quite fragile.
And lastly Dressrosa is Pica's ideal terrain with that much stone. If this fight is held anywhere else he would be screwed, like in Ceasars lab, where he can't even find a pebble.
Vergo would absolutely wreck Pica. That's why he is number two.
Look at 3:57 the Oni Take attack:
[video=youtube;q0i4x868Zwc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0i4x868Zwc[/video]
The steel door behind Smoker is in shambles without even being hit, but the sheer pressure from his bamboo stick.(Yes this attack is like this in the manga, so don't bother looking for it) So If Vergo hits Pica in the head of his statue with this he can retrieve it in East Blue.
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And Luffy, King of Prodence, Don Chinjao and Zoro aren't Vergo. Vergo lacks the scale to destroy that golem. It's like Smoker for example who has great movement speed but lack scales(his arsenal being limited in punches). I don't know why you keep using examples of others as if they were Vergo. No they aren't.
Chinjao+King of Prodence destroyed the arm of the golem with
1- A continental buster attack
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2- A lighter version of an attack capable to destroy a fortress or even KO a yonkou by hype(though i doubt it)
Luffy's Grizzly magnum is mountain level buster, so is Zoro's 1080 Pound Phoenix
Vergo simply lacks the area of effect in his attacks to replicate what they did
Zoro can cut steel since Alabasta, but alabasta Zoro can't cut that golem. You keep repeating this as if the material durability was the problem. No, the problem is the scale. That golem is too huge for any attack Vergo ever displayed. You're comparing a mountain level scale to a building level buster
Besides what is he even accomplishing by doing that against something that will regenerate anytime soon?
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You're misinterpreting his post. A common argument seems to be that Vergo has to destroy or attack the statue, but that isn't true. Vergo has the speed and aerial maneuverability to avoid having to deal with the statue completely, he can simply fly onto the top of the statue while avoiding those slow punches, as Love Cook said. Pica's greatest enemy in this fight is his lack of speed feats, while Vergo has speed feats. Love Cook's argument is that Vergo doesn't have to destroy the statue, but simply fly on top and engage Pica directly. Being that Vergo knows Pica as they are both executives and have likely fought together, as the Donquixote pirates have been shown to do(They even know each other's powers well, with Machvise and I think Senor Pink pulling of combos), and that Vergo is extremely intelligent(deceiving the Marines for about 15 years), he can catch onto Pica's pattern fairly quickly.
At that point, it becomes one one one close ranged, and Vergo has Pica outclassed in bounds. Superior speed, better play with his bamboo than Pica seems to have with his sword, Busoshoku Haki levels ahead of Pica's nonexistent(so far) Haki, Vergo simply wins close combat. This is where his attacks come into play, because it's one Pica. It's no longer about being able to destroy mountains, but being able to fight a person the size of Pica, and Vergo can. Replace 1080 Pound Cannon with a direct Oni Take to Pica, and Pica is done.
Yeah well you go keep telling yourself that, you're delusional
Also the Holocaust never happened and Ebola is fake, it's white doctors trying to steal blood.
Vergo didn't even connect to that door, it was the wind blast that broke it.
Vergo wasn't even in his full haki mode where he even buffed up more. If that is a direct hit then Pica will be shitting stones for the rest of his life.
Besides Vergo can do that 10 times and Pica still won't be able to hit him, and who says that this fight takes place in a terrain that's optimal for his capabilities. What will Pica do in a jungle, desert, lab, pirate ship or any other place with less stones. In that case Pica isn't mountain size, but maybe house size. And that still doesn't make up for his slow movement, Vergo can blitz Pica with his geppou all day every day.
Pica has no advantage on Vergo on any terrain.
Not really
Well even if it's true the punch is rather slow, the range is a problem especially if Vergo tries the arial fight/manoeuver because the punch is mountain range, so even with with gepou, if Pica were to direct a punch at him, he would have to have multiple gepou fast enough to cross a mountain range in time in order not to get crushed and it's impossible for him to do that. We've already seen in PH how much time it took him just to get from a A-block to the SAD-block when both are situated inside a laboratory, so no if he were to try an arial battle, he would on the contrary be at a disadvantage, considering he won't manoeuver well in this case. In the arial fight against the golem, you will either have to be fast enough to dodge his attacks(Bartolomeo, Robin and Koala would have been crushed if not Zoro) or possess strong enough attacks to destroy it beforehand, but considering Vergo lacks the latter, his only option would be to dodge, which in the air won't be that easy for the reason i gave
If Pica can keep up with Zoro in close range battle, then he isn't slow at all. I don't know where this come from
It doesn't seem to be the case. He clearly implies Vergo has the DC to destroy the statue. Just read his posts again
1080 Pound Phoenix >>> Oni Take. If Pica tanked 1080Pound Phoenix, he would tank Oni Take easy. I agree with the superior speed though, but Pica beats him physically. Not sure about who is better weapon user though(too early to tell especially when we see Pica is a swords user since 15 years ago in the fb, so must be particularly good with it), but at the moment i give him the edge yeah. Either way i already said with current feats Vergo should win, though not that easily
Caesar did beat Luffy in that fight. Stop making excuses just because character's are caught in a 'vulnerable' position.
You're point is? The point itself is valid and you just don't like it. Fact is Vergo was the 'first' Corazon, the one Doflamingo trusted most and the one he sent to take out someone Doflamingo believed had the power to hold a seat. Just because I keep saying the same things doesn't make my point less valid, your opinion isn't 'fact' unless you've got proof as to why Doflamingo didn't send any of his other 'elite' executives to be a spy in the marines you're basically using a baseless speculation.
Bold: Baseless.
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All you guys saying all of T Bogard's statements are baseless are a bunvh of hypocrites.
Doffy sent Vergo as a spy because Vergos the strongest? BASELESS
Whenever we have no logic then lets insult the other members.hmm
The points that u clearly missed are:
Law never reached that level according to Joker and he reserved a seat for Law & waiting for him to reach that particular level.
Vergo is one of executives so he's same as other seats which means that he's also at 100 and even if he's better than others he is on the same general level as others.
Being oldest friend and most trusted won't make u the strongest but I admit that Vergo being stronger is possible but they are on same general level.
I don't think so, I am asking him to tell me how being the best spy proves that he's the strongest? that doesn't mean that I am against the point of Vergo being stronger. I admit that he might be stronger but the other dude was using an invalid reason to justify his point.
How long can he keep doing this? It is not like he has an attack that can put statue down in 3-4 moves.
It took strongest attak(till now) of Luffy to put down it's head down and all of their best attacks together managed to destroy one of it's hands but Zoro alone did more damage than all of them(including Luffy).
Ya, Sanji can stomp Luffy under water. Sanji > Luffy.
Being number 2 won't put him far above others and he has same status as other for all we know. I can accept that he's stronger but not by far as u guys are trying to imply.
Where the hell is fact?
Yet to explain how being stronger makes u a better spy..
Corazon? My ass.hmm
A mentally challenged dude(according to crew) that can't even talk was the second Corazon. So, u think Vergo is the same? That name means nothing here.
Once again most trusted =/= second strongest.
Here the most baseless as well as logic less argument is yours. U didn't explained how being a better spy would make him stronger yet complaining about others arguments?
You are brainless if u think otherwise.
1080 canon destroyed half of Pica's statue, where are the feats of Oni take on that level?
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Indeed. I countered those arguments countless time already, yet he keep repeating the same thing since last year. It's like just because Vergo(one of the seats) beat the crap out of Sanji/Smoker without going all out, now they want to underhype any of the other seats as much as possible just to make their favorite look better. And when they can't counter an argument, they start pulling off insults or accusing others to be fanboys. In reality in this section i've noticed that Zoro has more haters than fanboys. It becomes ridiculous minutes by minutes to try to underplay everything or every opponents he gets just for the sake of it