[VS] Killer Bee vs EMS Sasuke

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MS Sasuke gets raped 10 times over before Bee gets a single resting period.

The abilities of pre-KS MS Sasuke backed Bee into a corner and if Sasuke hadn't bothered to save Karin, he would have been dead.

You must be pretty salty to have to deny that if Sasuke had gone with intent to kill during their original fight, he wouldn't have spared Bee and those flames would have raged straight to his death.
 

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The abilities of pre-KS MS Sasuke backed Bee into a corner.

You must be pretty salty to have to deny that if Sasuke had gone with intent to kill during their original fight, he wouldn't have spared Bee and those flames would have raged straight to his death.

You have to be pretty naive not to realise that if Bee tried prior to Sasuke utilising his Amateratsu, Sasuke would've been long dead.
 

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You have to be pretty naive not to realise that if Bee tried prior to Sasuke utilising his Amateratsu, Sasuke would've been long dead.

Tried to what? Kill him?

Oh that's right, he did. But in this match, he's got Susano'o to block his attacks.

Hell, Gyuuki's Bijuudama is weak compared to Kurama; it couldn't even erase Suigetsu compared to Four-Tailed V2 Naruto, who obliterated three Rashoumon despite having only half of the original beast's potency in the first place.

I'm not the naive one here mate, it's you for refusing to look at this through objective eyes. Anyway, it's clear that you'll stay stationed in your own little world, so I'll take the mature move and leave you to it.

Have fun in fanfic land!

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But didn't chop in half Madara who didn't have Shinju, while Chidori blade did, and much stronger Madara. That alone destroys your argument, so what's your point?
Lol wtf, you're just making urself look stupid,

The shinju is clearly far more durable than madara seeing how the TSB shield, and the body of the juubi jin,

shinju >>> JJ body and TSB in terms of durability, seeing how it was unfazed by every single attacks until YRS chopped it

the YRS chopped a more durable entity (shinju) in one hit, yet the Chidori was tanked by Ay with little to no damage
YRS is far superior to chidori, claiming otherwise would be implying that chidori can chop the entire god tree in half Lol,

Doesn't matter if it had best cutting feats, Chidori is still above by feats as well as Raiton. Chidori > YRS in terms of cutting power.
Lol wtf, if YRS has the better cutting feats than Chidori, then its fkn above Chidori, its common sense,
Raiton is only above a fuuton, only if its on an equivalent scale to fuuton,
YRS is over 10 times the size of Chidori, and was powered by the rikudo chakra, how can you say that Chidori > YRS is beyond belief

Until chidori cuts something on the same scale as what YRS did, then ill believe it,
however it hasnt shown that, meaning ur statement is just wrong,
especially when even Ay managed to tank the chidori blade, unless you think that the entire god tree is less durable than Ay,
its understandable to say that Chidori has superior cutting than FRS, but to claim that its stronger than YRS is just ridiculous,

So he shoots Bijuu Dama spheres and adds Bijuu Wave? With what feats? None. Bijuu Wave takes a lot of preparation which he doesn't get. This fight is a battle of speed.
Lol you clearly didnt read my post,
when i clearly stated that he can use the TBB after he uses the bijuu wave (BW)
and Lol how does Bijuu wave take a lot of prep?
it takes exactly the same amount of time as an enton arrow, the only difference is that it the BW blows sasuke away as bee can then use a TBB to kill him


No, he doesn't. Bijuu Dama alone are countered mid-flight by shooting them, destroying them while afar. Bijuu Wave would be tanked by Susano'O. Sasuke summons Aoda, travels underground, restrains B and greets him with arrows to the chest and throat. Any tentacle appearing would be cut in half or destroyed with arrows along with Enton.
Aoda would get blown away by BW or a Whirlwind just how sasuke would,
how is it even worth mentioning, , only this time it would suffer a much worse fate than the 5-tails
and as for susanoo, nothing short of V4 or possibly V3 (and thats a big if) is tanking a BW

and as for arrows and any other jutsu bar amaterasu, they take the same time to form as a TBB or a BW, the only difference is that sasuke dies from a TBB whilst the hachibi can tank an enton arrow ,


But didn't eradicate Orochimaru or Suigetsu. Bijuu Wave is ridiculously weak. It's not comparable to any kind of Bijuu Dama. Ribcage would get shattered, but V2 and up take it with no scratches at all if Suigetsu, Sasuke, Karin and Juugo survived from one that was massively prepared by a full Bijuu.
BW was never used on orochimaru so ur wrong here to begin with,
not to mention that hachibi >>>> KN4 so ur wrong there as well,
as for the bold, wrong, the is comparable , which is comparable and an meaning that its not weak at all,
V2 susanoo wont suffice against a BW it would get destroyed,

and as for suigetsu, he clearly had the locational advantage, and blocked it therefore the BW didnt get to sasuke and the rest,

Unless you're going to tell me that water cloaked Suigetsu > Susano'O, your argument is contradictory.
We dont know the durabiility of water cloaked suigetsu,
however we do know that hirudora busted madaras V3 susanoo which is comparable to an FRS, which is comparable to a BW from the hachibi, meaning that any susanoo below V3 would get eradicated,

Sasuke wins without Susanoo.
Lol no, he would get wrecked by cloaked bee, hachibi wont even be needed
 
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Tried to what? Kill him?

Oh that's right, he did. But in this match, he's got Susano'o to block his attacks.

Hell, Gyuuki's Bijuudama is weak compared to Kurama; it couldn't even erase Suigetsu compared to Four-Tailed V2 Naruto, who obliterated three Rashoumon despite having only half of the original beast's potency in the first place.

I'm not the naive one here mate, it's you for refusing to look at this through objective eyes. Anyway, it's clear that you'll stay stationed in your own little world, so I'll take the mature move and leave you to it.

Have fun in fanfic land!

-BL out. ;)

-Bee was reading his book while Sasuke was displaying his unviable Taijutsu.
-Bee forced MS Sasuke to get an external source's help in order to heal him because he was getting demolished in CQC.
-Sasuke had no intel, and wouldn't in your scenario. He attempts CQC to get a v2 lariat in his face.
-Sasuke can use Susano for a very limited time, his Susano will last less than v2 Bee dropping his shroud to remove Amateratsu.
-TBB raped non-legged v3 by atomising him from beneath given the crater that occurs.

Objectivity doesn't exist in an opinion of a manga, it remains a subjective opinion no matter how you look at it. More naivety mate.

Sasuke is my favourite character, yet I am reasonable enough to say Bee>>>MS Sasuke. Have fun in delusional land.
-Non-ignorant one of the two out. ;)
 

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I don't understand why people even think Bee will straight away transform to BM. He fought Sasuke before and knows the expectations. Not to mention Hachibi here, should have some background knowledge about Sharingan, as he probably knew about Indra. Either way, he won't go for BM right away. He can pressure Sasuke in V2 alone, this is how:

First, he'll block Sasuke's eyesight through mist of ink [ ], (it's proven that Sharingan can't counter mist) then creates V2 clones [ ]. Again, clones are created from the original's Chakra, meaning they can enter V2 themselves.

1. Amatersu isn't one-shotting. Bee already reacted to it without knowledge [ ] (the bottom panel shows his tail is moving directly to where Amatersu was aimed at). Given the fact V2 Bee has comparable speed to V2 Ay, dodging it isn't a problem when he can react to FTG. And if somehow he gets hit, shock-wave Chakra pushes it away like Shinra Tensei did. [ ]

2. Like Kyuubi did through Naruto, Bee should do as well, given he is a Perfect Jinchuuriki. This includes variety of Chakra Arms
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, which by Bee's physical strength greatly surpassing Ay's physical strength, he has no problem busting through Sasuke's ribcage and V2 Susanoo. He has TBB to blow it up [ ]. (Again, Bee is Perfect Jinchuuriki, there is no reason to believe he can't do such thing).

3. There are clones which can support him to pressure Sasuke.

Once everything is met, he can push away Sasuke by Whirlwind and kill him by .
 

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What? I have asked you several times to bring me your own evidence for why TBB is as dense as you say it it. I know it is dense, and I know Enton arrows can pierce. You are basically asking me to bring you scans of an Enton arrow piercing Biju Dama, that's not even a refutation to begin with. I have showed you Enton arrow's feats and it being capable of ripping through things cleanly. Now it's your turn to bring me feats of TBB being as dense as you say it is, because in this scan, it is rather obious that TBB is somewhat elastic judging by its circular structure's change, thus isn't as dense you say it is [ ]. If anything, your argument is the one that's flawed given nothing has ever actually been tested against its density.

It should be obvious that TBBs are dense. They're highly concentrated, compressed, chakra bombs. [ ][ ] It rendered naruto immobile after he swallowed it. [ ] Bee was able to do this to a 36 layered barrier just from the force alone. [ ]

& The first time naruto tries to use a mini bijuudama he complains about it's weight, [ ] yet sasuke has used enton in hand but there is no change in how heavy it is. [ ]

A Tbb will vaporize any enton arrow in it's path.
 

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It should be obvious that TBBs are dense. They're highly concentrated, compressed, chakra bombs. [ ][ ] It rendered naruto immobile after he swallowed it. [ ] Bee was able to do this to a 36 layered barrier just from the force alone. [ ]

& The first time naruto tries to use a mini bijuudama he complains about it's weight, [ ] yet sasuke has used enton in hand but there is no change in how heavy it is. [ ]

A Tbb will vaporize any enton arrow in it's path.

Where exactly is the feat of its density being quantified or put up against another attack that has any form of penetration? It being dense has already been accepted by me since the very beginning. Its density being substantial to block an Enton arrow is being denied, and is definitely reasonable.
 

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Where exactly is the feat of its density being quantified or put up against another attack that has any form of penetration?

It being dense has already been accepted by me since the very beginning. Its density being substantial to block an Enton arrow is being denied, and is definitely reasonable.

Before I go any further I have to ask, what do you expect will happen if the arrow does pierce the bomb?
 

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bijuudama vaporizes V3 susanoo along with sasuke. it has a good chance of destroying his V4 as well if itʻs a direct hit. his giant susanoos like legged are the ones that can withstand the bijuudamas. Thatʻs my stance, do you think thatʻs downplaying sasukeʻs susanoo?
1. The only thing a Bijuudama will do is damage V3 and slow down Sasuke. Don't know where you getting this bs where Sasuke will die from something like a Bijuudama when Sasuke's Susano'O will take most of the impact, hence why Susano'O is known for it's defence and exactly why Itachi was able to survive from being able to avoid dying from Kirin.

2. His legged Susano'O will not fall for a Bijuudama at all because it can leap and jump away.

Whether you're downplaying it or not really doesn't matter. It's your foolish belief of believing that Sasuke will die from a Bijuudama while being covered by a V3 or V4 Susano'O. That's laughable.

sasuke dies to a bijuudama if heʻs flying on his hawk... Sasuke canʻt use his bijuudama-tanking susanoo while on a hawk. Thatʻs the thought process.
While Sasuke is on his hawk he can fire Amaterasu to distract B and throw off his aim or if it fire's at Sasuke then he can immediately go back to Susano'O to lessen the blast impact.

And don't say that Sasuke can't use Susano'O while in the air because he have already been shown to be in the air and fire arrows in his Susano'O before.

Sure compared to EMS Sasukeʻs susanoos, that attack isnʻt doing much. Doesnʻt mean you have to call it a gust of wind, call it what it is, and call sasukeʻs defenses that laugh at it what they are.
I don't really care how sensitive you are getting at my name for it. The fact is that it's not doing anything to Sasuke. Period.

like who for example? And how am i overhyping the attack?
Bijuudama spam is not that impressive at all, and that seems to be your only chance here when in fact it can be countered by Sasuke.

this again has nothing to do with my argument. Go back, reread what my stances are and see if Iʻm arguing anything about bee not beingg able to be interupted by amaterasu or enton.

With a Bijuudama, one must get the appropriate ratio of black and white. If Bee gets hit by a Susano'O Arrow, Enton Arrow or Amaterasu while creating the Bijuudama then B takes both the brunt of the Enton/Susano'O Arrow and the Bijuudama explosion. Like I have said, that explosion couldn't even kill a weakened Team Taka. So unless it can make direct contact with Sasuke, it won't kill him, especially not with Susano'O protecting him. Sasuke can dodge each no problem, just like how Jugo dodged B's V2 lariat and saved Team Taka. It's pretty much the same thing.

> An arrow is fully able to pierce a Bijuudama. (I forget the scan) but, one of Madara's own swords was able to pierce right through a Bijuudama without any momentum at all. An Arrow has plenty of momentum and can easily gain enough penetration power to at least harm the outer layer of the Bijuudama ball, thus exploding it.

My argument was to prove who will attack first. If Sasuke attacks B first and becomes blazed in a pool of fire then how will B be able to concentrate a Bijuudama when we saw clearly when he was screaming that he couldn't do anything.

Your argument is about Sasuke not beng able to dodge Bijuudama, but I have already told you that Bijuudama gets canceled out and then explodes on contact from Sasuke's Susano'O arrow.

and what do you base this on?
Where do you get the enton force shield having the ability to do all of that?
Actually first, where do you get the idea that sasuke even has the ability to use an enton force shield on the level that it could do something like that to a bijuudama?
The fact that a Bijuudama isn't plowing through a mountain of black fire and succeeding.

no, it literally doesnʻt have anything to do with my argument. none of the points that your post attacked were asserted by me, and therefore itʻs all irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant. You just fail to look outside of the regular. If Sasuke attacks B with Amaterasu or Enton spikes first then B's concentration for Bijuudama will fail, thus him successfully hitting Sasuke will be lessened.


....the fact that bijuudama being slow to charge or chakra taxing has nothing to do with sasukeʻs ability to dodge it considering bee aims and fires the thing after charging it....
Lol, if being slow to charge and chakra taxing is happening then Sasuke would have already struck at B before he fired it off. Again, you are giving this Bijuudama wank to much praise.

sure sasuke if heʻs not using susanoo can dodge a direct hit from a bijuudama. Doesnʻt mean he gets far away enough to survive the blast radius. Bijuudamas are fast attacks relative to the speed of shinobi, itʻs as fast as a KCM FRS and yasaka magatama.
@ the bolded: Why not? Team Taka was able to and they were practically exhausted. Don't tell me that some blast radius is going to envelope Sasuke when other people have already shown to do so.

A Bijuudama that is concentrated is not fast. When the Juubi were firing his Bijuudama, those were fast because he was simply firing them in different directions. B will aim and then fire, but Sasuke can dodge them as he is simply faster than a Bijuudama.

And using FRS as a speed factor to help a Bijuudama is stupid when Pain, someone with no speed feats was able to dodge Naruto's FRS casually, so it's not even a feat if an attack can rival an FRS when it has shown to be dodged by someone with no speed feats.


what are these scans of? Is it of orochimaru avoiding it by blocking the blast using triple rashoumon? Is it of team taka avoiding it by having suigetsu stay back and attack bee while the rest of the team just runs away?
Do you know how long it took 4tk Naruto to charge up that Bijuudama? Orochimaru could have easily just ran away from the scene entirely, but instead he decided to watch Naruto charge it up and then fire it. He knew it was bad so he used Rashomon to block it but it plowed right through the summons. Sasuke is faster than Orochimaru and has dodged things much faster than that before.

Do you know that with the blast radius, Team Taka still survived?

Once again, none of this has anything to do with my argument. Weʻre talking about bee using bijuudama on sasuke, and sasukeʻs ability to avoid the bijuudama, not sasukeʻs ability to pre-empt bee from using it.
Lol and you are still missing the point entirely. If Sasuke distracts B from firing the Bijuudama then how will it work on Sasuke? Even if B fires the Bijuudama and it goes near Sasuke, Sasuke's attacks are faster and can easily be countered or diverted.

failing to pierce through three pain rods in no way shape or form means good piercing power. The only thing thatʻs ever pierced a bijuudama was a PS sword, and even after the dama was pierced it neither went off course nor exploded. Bijuudamas are far more durable than V2 jinchuriki as the chakra thatʻs used to create them is the same chakra used for the V2 cloaks, except far denser. Enton arrows donʻt pierce pains chakra rods, neither do they pierce V2 cloaks or things that are far more durable.
I remember Sasuke's arrow piercing through the hideout that Sasuke was caved in when he first went to the battlefield. It has plenty of piercing power. Susano'O arrows have the advantage of a sharp tip, specifically to pierce things.

B has a charge time and has been shown too many times for me to believe that a Bijuudama will hit Sasuke and kill him.

Dear God.. Did I just read that Susano'o arrow can divert TBB?
And you can't show me a scan that proves what I said can't happen.
An arrow is fully able to pierce a Bijuudama. (I forget the scan) but, one of Madara's own swords was able to pierce right through a Bijuudama without any momentum at all. An Arrow has plenty of momentum and can easily gain enough penetration power to at least harm the outer layer of the Bijuudama ball, thus exploding it.

Once Sasuke's Enton Arrow/Sword collides with the Bijuudama, it will obviously explode, thus cancelling out.

-Says Susanoo Arrow will deflect Bijuu Dama of all things.
-Ask someone if they are trolling.

The irony.
> Susano'O arrows are for piercing and/or penetrating
> Bijuudama is a ball of mass energy

You do the math. It will definitely explode, which means that Sasuke won't die.
 
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Before I go any further I have to ask, what do you expect will happen if the arrow does pierce the bomb?

It explodes like any other explosive would. If you want to use the kinetic energy argument than Sasuke dodges and it keeps going until it loses its energy. Either way, Sasuke survives.
 

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It explodes like any other explosive would.

This is what I expected you'd say, but it's not happening. Now first I would actually like to retract my earlier statement saying that the arrows will vaporize because it recently came to my attention that a bijuudama has been put up against a penetrating attack. [ ]

As you can see, madara uses his PS blades to pierce the tbbs yet they don't just explode in his face, thus debunking your claim that a weaker susanoo arrow will do anything better.

At most the arrows will get stuck inside the bijuudama as it continues it's trajectory, they don't have nearly enough force to change that.

If you want to use the kinetic energy argument than Sasuke dodges and it keeps going until it loses its energy. Either way, Sasuke survives.

I merely posted to tell you that a tbb will plow through enton arrows without question, regardless if they get stuck inside or not.

But if you believe that sasuke won't eventually get hit by one of the numerous tbbs being spammed well then, I really don't know what to say. U_U

Btw a bijuudama has never been shown to lose it's trajectory even when crossing vast distances. [ ] He might as well be fleeing the battle before the tbb loses any of it's momentum.
 

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This is what I expected you'd say, but it's not happening. Now first I would actually like to retract my earlier statement saying that the arrows will vaporize because it recently came to my attention that a bijuudama has been put up against a penetrating attack. [ ]

As you can see, madara uses his PS blades to pierce the tbbs yet they don't just explode in his face, thus debunking your claim that a weaker susanoo arrow will do anything better.

At most the arrows will get stuck inside the bijuudama as it continues it's trajectory, they don't have nearly enough force to change that.



I merely posted to tell you that a tbb will plow through enton arrows without question, regardless if they get stuck inside or not.

But if you believe that sasuke won't eventually get hit by one of the numerous tbbs being spammed well then, I really don't know what to say. U_U

Btw a bijuudama has never been shown to lose it's trajectory even when crossing vast distances. [ ] He might as well be fleeing the battle before the tbb loses any of it's momentum.

That's not a penetrative attack, it's form was composed atop of another structure which only happened to be sharp. It won't cause a disturbance in the energy because the energy itself was formed in a way for it to be like this.

No, he used his TBB to form it onto the PS blades. So it's no debunk to any of my claims, because it's formed onto it, rather than formed and then pierced, which would cause an instability in the energy.

Nope, if a disturbance is caused, the TBB explodes. If you pierce a nuke's shell, the energy explodes outward. Same applies here, pierce the TBB and the energy instability instigates the explosion.

Nope.

I don't, because Amateratsu will affect Bee long before TBB is fired. Amateratsu can be spawned continuously as shown against Kabuto, and anything the original Hachibi suffers, will be passed onto the next BM attempt. So say Hachibi has his eye burned to a crisp, leaving through a tentacle and coming out of it won't change anything, because he's still blind. More so, if Sasuke aims some of the Amateratsu at Bee's arms/hands, it would be illogical to assume he can cut off his tentacle given his previous impulsive responses.
 

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Susano'O arrows are for piercing and/or penetrating
> Bijuudama is a ball of mass energy

You do the math. It will definitely explode, which means that Sasuke won't die.

1. Failed to provide evidence that it can pierce Bijuu Dama.
2. Madara pierced Bijuu Dama with his blades, nothing happened.
3. If Bijuu Dama explodes, and Sasuke is caught in it, he dies.

No, he used his TBB to form it onto the PS blades. So it's no debunk to any of my claims, because it's formed onto it, rather than formed and then pierced, which would cause an instability in the energy.

As for you, the manga clearly disagrees.



He pierced it and nothing happened. He didn't form it around the blade. That isn't even possible. All I'm seeing from you people is "Susanoo arrow can pierce things, so it pierces Bijuu Dama" when there is literally nothing that supports that claim.

Swords can pierce, is one going to pierce through Bijuu Dama? Nope.

I'll reply to you other post and River's post in the evening.

Tried to what? Kill him?

Oh that's right, he did. But in this match, he's got Susano'o to block his attacks.

Hell, Gyuuki's Bijuudama is weak compared to Kurama; it couldn't even erase Suigetsu compared to Four-Tailed V2 Naruto, who obliterated three Rashoumon despite having only half of the original beast's potency in the first place.

I'm not the naive one here mate, it's you for refusing to look at this through objective eyes. Anyway, it's clear that you'll stay stationed in your own little world, so I'll take the mature move and leave you to it.

Have fun in fanfic land!

-BL out. ;)

2014 and people still can't tell the strength difference between a Bijuuwave and a Bijuu Dama. The fact you even implied that KN4's Bijuu Dama is stronger than Hachibi's Bijuu Dama only shows that you can't be taken seriously.
 
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1. Failed to provide evidence that it can pierce Bijuu Dama.
2. Madara pierced Bijuu Dama with his blades, nothing happened.
3. If Bijuu Dama explodes, and Sasuke is caught in it, he dies.



As for you, the manga clearly disagrees.



He pierced it and nothing happened. He didn't form it around the blade. That isn't even possible. All I'm seeing from you people is "Susanoo arrow can pierce things, so it pierces Bijuu Dama" when there is literally nothing that supports that claim.

Swords can pierce, is one going to pierce through Bijuu Dama? Nope.

I'll reply to you other post and River's post in the evening.



2014 and people still can't tell the strength difference between a Bijuuwave and a Bijuu Dama. The fact you even implied that KN4's Bijuu Dama is stronger than Hachibi's Bijuu Dama only shows that you can't be taken seriously.

Alright, I'll concede that point even though the TBB was still being formed around it. I still don't see Bee firing Bijuu Dama due to AMateratsu, although if he does, then it's gg for Sasuke. So you can ignore anything I say about TBB for the sake of time.
 

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1. Failed to provide evidence that it can pierce Bijuu Dama.
> Failed to prove why it can't pierce the Bijuudama and failed to prove how, once the Bijuudama is pierced how it will kill Sasuke

It either pierces through it or it makes it explode. Either way, it is not going to kill Sasuke.

2. Madara pierced Bijuu Dama with his blades, nothing happened.
Exactly my point. Did the Bijuudama kill Madara after it was pierced?

3. If Bijuu Dama explodes, and Sasuke is caught in it, he dies.
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If the Bijuudama explodes and Sasuke is near it, the only thing he will suffer is a few scratches and bruises because Sasuke will not get the full brunt of the attack because of Susano'O and considering how Bijuudama fires, it's not fast enough to kill Sasuke. Susano'O also saves him from most of the explosion like I already said.

Sasuke has plenty of speed to dodge a Bijuudama or just pierce through it altogether.
 
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