If Tobi fought 8 Gates Gai and went to cube world to outlast Gai, is that a forfeit?

[Inert Brian]

He would be dead before Gai opens the last one. But if Gai does open it he wouldnt get the chance to run. Gai was faster than Madara who was keeping Obito from phasing. He would be owned in the first set of attacks from Gai.

This is looking at it as if Gai opens the 8th gate right from the start, and Tobi manages to hide in Cube world until Gai dies

 

[Sageof7Path]

It's a victory. He solo'd guy while Madara went through hell.

 

[Raijingan]

You can also ask "If Gai activates his 8 gates should he be disqualified because he hax?"

 

[AlphaScythian]

Intangibility is 5min.
8G dont last that long imho.
Theres always izanagi and mayfly

However i given the scenario its not forfeit as Obito briefly enough will come back with reset intangibility.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Tobi/Obito be like

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[chaos control]

Sorry I should have been more specific. This is a fight looking at (as illogical as it is) Gai blindly pulls out 8 gates right from the start. It's not like Deidara vs Sasuke where Deidara was forced in to C0. Gai pulls it out because he feels like it.

Then that is stupidity on Guy's part and therefore a loss for Guy. Obito wins.

 

[chaos control]

Its definitely a bïtch move, but its not really a forfeit.

It's a smart move.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

If guy uses 8 gates the best he can do is tie, since it's a suicide move.

-- the answer to the stated question depends entirely on the constraints of the battle.

If it's a strict battle ( tornament style) then you could disqualify Tobi via ring out.

If it's. Street fight ( no restrictions ) then worping is completly viable.

Think about it this way


- in dbz you could say gohan lost the tournament against cell ( he had vegeta, tien, Krillen, distract cell- which breaks the rules of engagement of 1v1)

However, even though gohan would be technically disqualified- which makes cell the "winner" in the end, cell died and gohan lived

In my opinion, rules smhules... The winner is the surviver, a dead opponent is a losing opponent. ( unless the opponent my wanted to lose )

 

[Inert Brian]

If guy uses 8 gates the best he can do is tie, since it's a suicide move.

-- the answer to the stated question depends entirely on the constraints of the battle.

If it's a strict battle ( tornament style) then you could disqualify Tobi via ring out.

If it's. Street fight ( no restrictions ) then worping is completly viable.

Think about it this way


- in dbz you could say gohan lost the tournament against cell ( he had vegeta, tien, Krillen, distract cell- which breaks the rules of engagement of 1v1)

However, even though gohan would be technically disqualified- which makes cell the "winner" in the end, cell died and gohan lived

In my opinion, rules smhules... The winner is the surviver, a dead opponent is a losing opponent. ( unless the opponent my wanted to lose )

This thread stems from a debate in the vs section.

Me and Evani were arguing over it, and that's why I made a thread out of this.

You said just about exactly what I was trying to say. I said that I was looking at the fight objectively. Where the purpose is to defeat your opponent until they are dead. Objectively, Tobi wins because Gai is dead so he wins.

Evani claimed that because Tobi ran away, he lost because it's not really a battle.

Anyway the argument was whether vs threads should be judged in a street, or tournament styled way. (If it is unspecified)

 

[Draphsin]

This method of winning would be called a BFR [

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Gai can only win this way if he traps obito in his dimension, which is impossible.

Obito can hide in his dimension until gai dies, then he can teleport in front of his opponent, thus claiming the win.

 

[synkross]

He would be dead before Gai opens the last one. But if Gai does open it he wouldnt get the chance to run. Gai was faster than Madara who was keeping Obito from phasing. He would be owned in the first set of attacks from Gai.

Madara can't keep Obito from phasing, wtf are u talking about.

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The Text clearly says "Unable to catch him"
if you are talking about Obito teleporting out then he can simply phase into the ground and pop out somewhere else, then teleport. plus Guy does not have any projectiles.

 

[Djokovic]

If Gai starts in 8th gate then Tobi gets neg. If Obito runs away while hes performing it, Gai can cancel it either way Gai solos Obito.

 

[Inert Brian]

This method of winning would be called a BFR [

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Gai can only win this way if he traps obito in his dimension, which is impossible.

Obito can hide in his dimension until gai dies, then he can teleport in front of his opponent, thus claiming the win.

This post has officially ended the debate, thank you. This means I win >: ).

Ily plz marry me <3 <3 <3

 

[Haizaki]

I see you made a thread despite me proving you wrong in that thread. You can Marry Drapshin because he said what you wanted to hear. However, it's still false.
Tobi in the first place would never resort to the Kamui world for the whole fight. I'm trying my best not flame at this stupid idea.

I'm out...I showed you a scan of how Lee was almost Proclaimed the winner simply because Gaara was thought to be dead despite not making an appearance on the battlefield. If someone leaves the battlefield for more than 5mins, they can't win that fight. Makes no sense as it is no longer a fight. They ran because they can't challenge the person, therefore they are not strong enough to fight the person, Why are you bringing Sasuke and Deidara up? I dealt with this ridiculous logic.

Stop lying to yourself. Never has this happened in the series and you've been saying to me "This isn't real life, it's Naruto" I posted the definition of a fight. You're just choosing to believe otherwise.

 

[elsepa]

Leaving battle is out of character, he wouldn't do that, its like killing people while they power up;doesnt happen.

 

[Haizaki]

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It doesn't make sense? How's it a fight when one runs away? This is even why you're wrong..You never considered the fact that the other person as well can also leave the battlefield. Therefore the battle won't take place. It's not a race of "Who can return to the battlefield first" Lol If both leave the battlefield, I wonder how this is a fight.

If anything, why don't we say the winner is the one who makes the other leave the battlefield.

 

[maniaoqan]

It would be tactical retreat.

 

[Apêx1]

Evani solo'd the thread. You can't sit in the Kamui dimension for 5 minutes and call it a fight. Gai will be sitting on the chair with the most intense adrenaline he's ever felt while Obito is sitting their contemplating his next moves once Gai has died. He can just teleport and start another fight while Gai is dying, since even then, Gai will lose from 8th gate's automatic death. There's a location in every VS for a reason, it's for the two characters to fight in that location, not leave the location and then come back.

 

[Inert Brian]

@Evani and Apex.

The problem is that making a thread called 8 gates Gai vs w/e is basically like saying Minato vs c0 (Not Deidara, C0). Is Minato losing because he ran away since he couldn't challenge it?

If Gai gets to use his trump card, why doesn't Obito get to use his? See what the whole double standards thing I said was? You guys are basically restricting Obito because it doesn't suit your tournament styled match.

Also, again you're looking at these fights in a tournament styled way. This isn't the Chuunin Exams, this is two people clashing in a real life battlefield scenario. If the OP says that the character cannot run away, that is completely different.

Also, "I see you made a thread even though I proved you wrong"? Hold on, I made the thread because it sparked a good discussion.

What the hell did you prove wrong? I told you we view how the Vs threads operate differently. I see it more as an objective (where one has to kill his opponent mentally or physically), and you view them as a Chuunin Exam styled match.

it's for the two characters to fight in that location, not leave the location and then come back.

Location is where they start. Example: Jiraiya vs Pain. They changed locations like 3 times lol.

 

[Apêx1]

@Evani and Apex.

The problem is that making a thread called 8 gates Gai vs w/e is basically like saying Minato vs c0 (Not Deidara, C0). Is Minato losing because he ran away since he couldn't challenge it?

If Gai gets to use his trump card, why doesn't Obito get to use his? See what the whole double standards thing I said was? You guys are basically restricting Obito because it doesn't suit your tournament styled match.

Also, again you're looking at these fights in a tournament styled way. This isn't the Chuunin Exams, this is two people clashing in a real life battlefield scenario. If the OP says that the character cannot run away, that is completely different.

Also, "I see you made a thread even though I proved you wrong"? Hold on, I made the thread because it sparked a good discussion.

What the hell did you prove wrong? I told you we view how the Vs threads operate differently. I see it more as an objective (where one has to kill his opponent mentally or physically), and you view them as a Chuunin Exam styled match.

Not at all, it's like saying Minato vs SM Naruto, since 8th gate is a mode rather than a jutsu. C0 vs Minato is the same as Night Moth vs C0, not the other way around. Since your premise is wrong, your entire rest of argument is wrong too. So no, me and Evani are viewing it like every fight ever in NV. You are viewing it like a fight that has never occurred, ever.