[Discussion] For the posters who understimate how strong Akatsuki really was..

[Sharpism]

1. but if jiraiya went into sage mode wouldnt the toads disrupt his chakra and break genjutsu?

2. Ok what i meant is jiraiya is very strong and smart and i think he just would be able beat kakuzu, in sage mode hes got the power and speed and he can use his summons to help him,, i just think jiraiya is the better ninja

3. i agree he would lose to pain, also probably itachi but not kakuzu

I never said he'd lose to Kakuzu I said it'd be a good fight. Speed doesn't mean anything and remember Kakuzu took a hit from Choji and laughed it off. He's not a joke of a ninja either. He's got brains skill and all 5 elements plus his Earth Grudge Fear can kill people quickly and effectively.

Acording to data book 3 Kakuzu is a total of 32.5 with the highest is 5 in Ninjutsu.
And Jiraiya is a 35.5 with Ninjutsu and Stamina at 5's.

That is why It'd be a good fight.
_________
Sage Mode would work, but all it'd take would be a Tsukuyomi and then use Susano'o. GG no RE. o___o;

"In order to gather enough natural energy to initiate the transformation into Sage Mode, the user must remain perfectly still. Because of that, the user can be an easy target for an opponent."

Standing still against Itachi = Suicide. :]

ASSUMING Jiraiya could get in Sagemode he'd still die from Itachi's Susano'o.

 

[John Constantine]

I never said he'd lose to Kakuzu I said it'd be a good fight. Speed doesn't mean anything and remember Kakuzu took a hit from Choji and laughed it off. He's not a joke of a ninja either. He's got brains skill and all 5 elements plus his Earth Grudge Fear can kill people quickly and effectively.

Acording to data book 3 Kakuzu is a total of 32.5 with the highest is 5 in Ninjutsu.
And Jiraiya is a 35.5 with Ninjutsu and Stamina at 5's.

That is why It'd be a good fight.
_________
Sage Mode would work, but all it'd take would be a Tsukuyomi and then use Susano'o. GG no RE. o___o;

"In order to gather enough natural energy to initiate the transformation into Sage Mode, the user must remain perfectly still. Because of that, the user can be an easy target for an opponent."

Standing still against Itachi = Suicide. :]

ASSUMING Jiraiya could get in Sagemode he'd still die from Itachi's Susano'o.

Would be an hell of a match..

Would love to have seen Kisame VS Jiraiya or Naruto as well..

Deidara VS Neji (he's a jounin after all) or Gai

Tsunade VS Deidara or Kakuzu

 

[Sharpism]

Would love to have seen Kisame VS Jiraiya or Naruto as well..
Kisame vs Jiraiya Awesome fight.
Kisame vs Naruto, Kisame would almost kill naruto kyuubi would come out kisame would die. :[

Deidara VS Neji (he's a jounin after all) or Gai
Deidara would come up with some stupid thing to blow off Neji's fingers. n____n
Deidara vs Neji or Gai would be an awesome match up too.

Tsunade VS Deidara or Kakuzu
Kakuzu would just keep his distance and use opposite natures.
Deidara would die. Lmfao. ;o

Good matchups you did though. :]

 

[John Constantine]

Would love to have seen Kisame VS Jiraiya or Naruto as well..
Kisame vs Jiraiya Awesome fight.
Kisame vs Naruto, Kisame would almost kill naruto kyuubi would come out kisame would die. :[

Deidara VS Neji (he's a jounin after all) or Gai
Deidara would come up with some stupid thing to blow off Neji's fingers. n____n
Deidara vs Neji or Gai would be an awesome match up too.

Tsunade VS Deidara or Kakuzu
Kakuzu would just keep his distance and use opposite natures.
Deidara would die. Lmfao. ;o

Good matchups you did though. :]

Hidan VS Naruto would be interesting.. Curious if Fuuton RasenShuriken would actually kill Hidan or not..

 

[Sharpism]

Hidan VS Naruto would be interesting.. Curious if Fuuton RasenShuriken would actually kill Hidan or not..

I don't think it would I just think it'd make Hidan useless because it'd close up the cells for chakra. o___o;; That'd suck. To be honest Hidan's "skills" are actually a curse. Living through anything would suck, especially when you get your head cut off. [It doesn't suck for him because of Kakuzu but assuming his body goes limp when his heads cut off it would be the worst.]

 

[John Constantine]

I don't think it would I just think it'd make Hidan useless because it'd close up the cells for chakra. o___o;; That'd suck.

What i really want to see is Sasuke VS Kakashi & Zetsu in action (real action)..
Also the Mist boys Suigetsu & choujiro against major opponents..

 

[Sharpism]

What i really want to see is Sasuke VS Kakashi & Zetsu in action (real action)..
Also the Mist boys Suigetsu & choujiro against major opponents..

I haven't actually read much farther then Shippuden has got. Lmfao. I don't like reading online. ;\
So I haven't seen Choujiro or Zetsu fight (except that lame one that they did before with the doppelgangers..) xD;

 

[John Constantine]

I don't think it would I just think it'd make Hidan useless because it'd close up the cells for chakra. o___o;; That'd suck. To be honest Hidan's "skills" are actually a curse. Living through anything would suck, especially when you get your head cut off. [It doesn't suck for him because of Kakuzu but assuming his body goes limp when his heads cut off it would be the worst.]

It's rumored that he must keep on making sacrifices to Jasmin God to actually remain immortal..
If it's true or not?? I don't know.

 

[Sharpism]

It's rumored that he must keep on making sacrifices to Jasmin God to actually remain immortal..
If it's true or not?? I don't know.

Well it's part of his religion that he gets immortality. That means other people could have it? I wouldn't doubt this. Generally more then one person is in a religion. xD;

What I meant is imagine if you were immortal but you got your head cut of and couldn't reattach it. Lmfao.

 

[twistedlink]

methink s it was just a coincidence, he had a freaky bloodlimit that made him immortal and hasppened to follow the jashin religion

 

[Sharpism]

methink s it was just a coincidence, he had a freaky bloodlimit that made him immortal and hasppened to follow the jashin religion

Hidan's primary ability was his inability to die, a result of extensive experimenting with the Jashin religion's various jutsu. His immortality allowed him to survive numerous fatal injuries,[16] and almost any form of dismemberment; he even retained his ability to speak after having his head cut off.[17] However, his head still needed to be connected to his body in order to control it,[18] so Kakuzu reattached it, and other body parts, when needed.[19] Even though he could survive these injuries, he was still susceptible to pain, which he came to find pleasure in at the expense of his opponents. This inability to die was the primary reason for his partnership with Kakuzu. Since Kakuzu couldn't kill him, Kakuzu didn't need to find new partners after his fits of rage.[20] Although the two disliked working together, this advantage made them the ideal team.

No Kekkie Genkai

 

[The Pervy Sage]

No, genjutsu is disrupted by having a seperate chakra interupt the chakra causing the genjutsu, it needs to be an entirely different entity.

I mean all ninjas have physical and spiritual chakra, you cant use either one to cancel genjutsu, so why would natural chakra? adding chakra just means adding chakra, a genjutsu user can still manipulate it to make illusions.

It requires a seperate entity to force loads through, however its kishis work...and us fans look into things with pin sharp logic sometimes, so what logic states and what kishi writes are two very different things.

jiraiya has to fuse with the toads to go into sage mode and they seem to have chakra so they can cancle it if what you say is true?
Killer bee cancled sasukes genjutsu with the 8 tails which is part of him but different which is how the toads are

 

[John Constantine]

jiraiya has to fuse with the toads to go into sage mode and they seem to have chakra so they can cancle it if what you say is true?
Killer bee cancled sasukes genjutsu with the 8 tails which is part of him but different which is how the toads are

But that was Sasuke's first time using Tsukuyomi and seemed out of despair as well. In that situation. Plus,Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is a weak one.
Itachi's Tsukuyomi is on an whole another level of complexness and i doubt that could be easily cancelled just by other person's chakra..

 

[Sharpism]

But that was Sasuke's first time using Tsukuyomi and seemed out of despair as well. In that situation. Plus,Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is a weak one.
Itachi's Tsukuyomi is on an whole another level of complexness and i doubt that could be easily cancelled just by other person's chakra..

The only way to 100% break Itachi's Tsukuyomi is in the physical world taking a hit, and even then I highly doubt it'd do anything.
If Itachi was smart [which he was] he would have figured a way to make it so that no one could break his Genjutsu through physical pain.
Think about how funny it would be to see putting someone into a genjutsu and then their partner stabs them in the leg with a Kunai and they don't break out of the Genjutsu. n____n;;;

 

[En4G4G3WiThR4G3]

Kisame doesnt have the ability to beat Jiraiya because sharks dont eat toads?



Probably one of the most retarded statement I have ever said.

May I also remind you it was a mistranslation anyway, and they were talking about kyuubi power.

Also we have seen Itachi play fighting, and we have seen Kisame go all out, and they said even together they couldnt beat Jiraiya?

Bullshit.

They even said if they bring more akatsuki members the result would be the same.

Pains an akatsuki member and won, so this statement is quite strange.

We have seen Kishi change power grades and what characters release trump cards.

Jiraiyas good, but his popularity carries him into ranks that are quite frankly laughable

pain him self said that if it wasnt for his secret he would have lost, pain was the "leader of akatsuki for a reason, even if he was only a puppet of madara, the others obviously respected and feared him. soooo yeah

 

[John Constantine]

pain him self said that if it wasnt for his secret he would have lost, pain was the "leader of akatsuki for a reason, even if he was only a puppet of madara, the others obviously respected and feared him. soooo yeah

He said that only out of respect for his previous Master..

 

[En4G4G3WiThR4G3]

He said that only out of respect for his previous Master..

hah, sure he did....usually when u respect someone you dont kill them, he said it because it was true

 

[Sharpism]

jiraiya has to fuse with the toads to go into sage mode and they seem to have chakra so they can cancle it if what you say is true?
Killer bee cancled sasukes genjutsu with the 8 tails which is part of him but different which is how the toads are

That is assuming that they even go into sage mode against Itachi. Itachi could EASILY use Amaratsu and burn all 3 of them and walk away. o____o

 

[twistedlink]

Hidan's primary ability was his inability to die, a result of extensive experimenting with the Jashin religion's various jutsu. His immortality allowed him to survive numerous fatal injuries,[16] and almost any form of dismemberment; he even retained his ability to speak after having his head cut off.[17] However, his head still needed to be connected to his body in order to control it,[18] so Kakuzu reattached it, and other body parts, when needed.[19] Even though he could survive these injuries, he was still susceptible to pain, which he came to find pleasure in at the expense of his opponents. This inability to die was the primary reason for his partnership with Kakuzu. Since Kakuzu couldn't kill him, Kakuzu didn't need to find new partners after his fits of rage.[20] Although the two disliked working together, this advantage made them the ideal team.

No Kekkie Genkai

+

Wiki is written by fans -_-', too subjective, i could go edit it as a kekkai genkai right now if i could be bothered

 

[Sharpism]

+

Wiki is written by fans -_-', too subjective, i could go edit it as a kekkai genkai right now if i could be bothered

Just because it's written by fans doesn't mean NONE of it is true. Look at any other sources, I don't think it was a Kekkie, I think it was a religion who taught a specific set of Jutsu.
It's actually fans who develop the universe with theory's and ideas. I wouldn't doubt seeing any writer coming to theory threads and being like "Oh that makes sense behind -so and so. Lets do that." When they have writers block.

WHY would there be a Kekkie that gives immortality if it doesn't reattach itself? Its useless even if it is.