[Discussion] For the posters who understimate how strong Akatsuki really was..

[John Constantine]

This all started with this post:

Quote:Originally Posted by Ruler Michael

But if all this happend, that Danzo, Madara, Zetsu and the evil part of root, takes over the village. And Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, Tenzo, Killerbee and the other part of Konoha and the Kages and their villages` Jounins fights back.

Then I really think that Akatsuki will have to get at least 5 new members whice are at least twice as strong as the previous ones after Konoha have been won back.
Why? Well all the rest got too quickly killed of

Because the bad guys would have almost nothing to stand up with against all the good guys.

I mean. Both Naruto, Sasuke, Gaara, Killerbee, and probobly some other of the good guys could have wipped any of the former member`s ass except for Pain/Pein and Itachi(not counting Konan).

No offence to the Sasori, Deidara, Hidan, Kakuzu, Orochimaru, and probobly Kisame fans

They were all strong, but not strong enough. Only Deidara lasted more than one battle(not counting the 30% chacra Kisame), and in my point of view, thats far from good enought if they were as strong as peoples and the Manga believes/says


I then replied with my knowledge and thoughts over Akatsuki and his members and later yoshimitsu wisely completed my thoughts and theoris about Akatsuki and his members so thanks to him as well..

I disagree strongely you obviously don't imagine how powerful those Akatsuki guys were..

Let's start with Sasori of The Red Sands.. This men was a experienced warrior about 40 years old. Cold,intelligent and the men who kidknapped and killed the most powerful warrior of the Sand Village at only 15 years old. That men was the Third Kazekage.
He was also said to have alone destroyed an entire country..
He only lost because Old Chiyo knew all his secrets and Sakura had the antidote..
This guy is easily stronger then most of the characters and probably even stronger then Kakashi..

Deidara,a 19 years old prodigy.. Easily defeated Gaara (who is very strong) and took Sasuke (who is mega-strong) to his limit.. Only guys with Sharingan or eye techniques could beat him in my opinion..

Hidan..I'll give you that one. Guy is not weak and managed to kill Asuma (strong guy) but was stupid as whole hell and a guy with an half a brain and decent strenght could easily defeat him..

Kakuzu was 90+ years old. Experienced,intelligent,fought the Hashirama and survived and beat many strong ninjas ans stole them hearts. Making them his own.
Easily manhandled Kakashi (one of the strongest) and if it wasn't for Naruto's super jutsu Futton RasenShuriken,he would have not been defeated..
Kakuzu was easily one of the strongest guys in the Naruto series.

Kisame was almost invencible. I dare to say only Genjutsu users could beat him and perhaps Jiraiya (as Kisame himself admitted he would be no match for Jiraiya)..
Kisame had the chacra of a bijuu and the best weapon in the Ninja world (IMO).. A weapon that can take chacra from his opponents and give it to Kisame.. How much can you ask for it??
Kisame easily defeated Kirabi,if it wasn't for Samehada's betrayal..
And he is not dead yet,guys. Bet on it..

Orochimaru is understimated around here to the fullest.. This man was probably stronger then most of the Akatsuki and was only easily defeated by Itachi because the later has god-like strenght and abilitie.
Oro was a genius and a legendary Sannin said to be equally strong as Jiraiya himself (one of the strongest of the Manga).. Possessed many abilities,forbidden jutsus,legendary objects and was super smart & the perfect villain in my opinion..
He fought the Kyuubi with ease in an already neglecting body and killed the said to be the strongest of the 5 Hokages, The Third Hokage easily. He also killed the Fourth Kazekage (Gaara's father) and draw 2 times with Jiraiya.
This was one of the most feared,respected ninjas in the Ninja world and was only defeated by Sasuke because he was barely moving at his current body and was target of a sneak attack.

Konan was the weakest link in my opinion.. Was easily defeated by Jiraiya with only one move and was in the Organization only because of Pein..

Zetsu. We don't know the extend of his power but he has many useful abilities and Madara himself treat him as an equal. So i assume he is super strong as well..

With all this said..You theory about Akatsuki members kind of fail.. Those were all guys of S-Ninja Rank and were only defeated by Special bloodline (AKA Sharingan,Deidara & Orochimaru) or betrayal (Kisame) or knowing their secrets before hand (Pein & Sasori) or stupidity (Hidan) or disease and intentional intent of dying (Itachi)..


I agree with most, but you forget that each of them have specific affinities, in turn gives them specific weaknesses.

Kisame knows he's no match for Jiraiya because toads love water. Sharks aren't known for eating frogs and stuff in the real world, so it wouldn't make much sense for Kisame to possess a natural advantage over Jiraiya. also, we know jiraiya is very averse in water techs.

another example is sasuke vs deidara. it's not that sasuke is super strong, in fact he's rather weak compared to the others. it's because sasuke is super smart and that he has a kekkai genkai for lightning that he was able to manhandle deidara with ease. anyone would agree sasuke ripped deidara with absolute confidence. he knew he was smarter and he had the advantage.

kakuzu, unfortunately, was slain because he was being lazy and hadn't collected hearts in awhile. he admitted so. he could have stacked 100+ masks, and the rasenshuriken would have destroyed maybe 70% of them, leaving kakuzu alive and knowing wtf naruto can do. had he survived the first rasen shuriken, for sure kakuzu would have been the victor in a 1v1 battle. then again, he could easily take care of everyone else there.

hidan had it coming, sorry. he was an idiotic sadomasochist. he's probably not dead anyway, its just that noone will ever find him again. hidan can't die.

orochimaru was sick, yes. sasuke easily slayed him.

im sure zetsu is a badass. as you say, madara does indeed treat him as an equal. zetsu is aware of all his plans, and is very, very strong. at the summit, he said "im surprised nobody noticed my seeds" or something. which means he does this with ease and was surprised at how careless the kages really are. and on the battlefield, he doesnt even bother fighting; he merely sucks their chakra and gives some to sasuke. zetsu is one tough cookie.

konan is weak.

 

[BAN_KAI]

Didnt read it but reps anyway xD

 

[The Pervy Sage]

As ive read this on the orignal thread ive already posted there with my views but i still dont like the fact about root joining akatsuki and that most of the akatsuki deaths were awsome but some were stupid and they were truly a force to be reconned with.

Pain alone can destroy a whole village, so imagine if all 11 of them were to travel around together to achieve there goals? Then it would take the whole 5 village alliance to even challenge them

Kages, kages guards and narutos crew VS All Akatsuki members

 

[yoshimitsu]

As ive read this on the orignal thread ive already posted there with my views but i still dont like the fact about root joining akatsuki and that most of the akatsuki deaths were awsome but some were stupid and they were truly a force to be reconned with.

Pain alone can destroy a whole village, so imagine if all 11 of them were to travel around together to achieve there goals? Then it would take the whole 5 village alliance to even challenge them

Kages, kages guards and narutos crew VS All Akatsuki members

well since we're on the subject matter, i might as well give my opinion if such would be the case.

1) if they went about all together, probably nonetheless plausibly holding hands, word would travel fast that a bunch of renegades are pouncing about wreaking havoc. and unless madara knows the location of every bird on the continent and is capable of producing said amount of clones, as well as being able to move at the speed of light whilst maintaining that many, my best guess is that people would know and someone would act promptly, probably danzou.


2) there are tons of ninjas out there. we've only been introduced to maybe 0.3% of the population in the narutoverse. if war were to break out, surely there are tons of other good and bad guys equally strong and on par with akatsuki. wouldnt make sense for 11 guys to take over the world.

 

[John Constantine]

Let's start by discussing Deidara.. This young kid was smart as he showed us on his battle against Gaara and his "Fake death" against Kakashi & company..

He outsmarted Gaara into placing little bombs into his special sand when Gaara executed the Sand Coffin on Deidara's arm.. This was able to break into Gaara's ultimate defense and implode him inside the ball of sand he was hidding.. Pretty smart move but at the expense of his arm (He knew Kakuzu could re-attached back,anyways).. He also manipulated Gaara into wasting all his chakra left to save the village of a huge clay bomb..

His fight against Sasuke was great and he used some insanely strong techniques like the one who makes things deteorate via inhalling of little fragments of chackra/clay mini bombs..
He simply was out-smarted by Sasuke everytime and the fact that Sasuke had Sharingan and the cursed seal power helped alot as well..
He just searched the wrong opponent at the wrong time..

His ultimate artistic jutsu would have worked but once again he was out-smarted by Sasuke..

All in all,Deidara was powerfull and stronger then normal.. Smart but rushed and kind of dumb when emotionally altered by anger.. Specially about the cold cursed eyes of the ones who possess Sharingan.. Itachi/Sasuke..

Deidara gets ranked 7 out of 10 in my book..

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Im sorry but i disagree, i give him 9/10

He would of beat sasuke if it wasnt for manda, he even trained one of his eyes to block the sharingan, that is intelligents and determination

He beat the kazekage without really trying and he uses his clay to his advantage.

The only reason i didnt give him 10 is because his jutsu is baised on how much clay he has which kind of sucks, and i was disapointed that he didnt kill sasuke, sasuke would of died if he wasnt such a main character

 

[John Constantine]

Im sorry but i disagree, i give him 9/10

He would of beat sasuke if it wasnt for manda, he even trained one of his eyes to block the sharingan, that is intelligents and determination

He beat the kazekage without really trying and he uses his clay to his advantage.

The only reason i didnt give him 10 is because his jutsu is baised on how much clay he has which kind of sucks, and i was disapointed that he didnt kill sasuke, sasuke would of died if he wasnt such a main character

I was going to give him 8 but chose 7. Because there were stronger people on Akatsuki but will get to them later as i intend to go one by one.

Also,he showed he was easily affected by genjutsu and his final jutsu,while awesome and destructive,it's also suicidal..

I may give him 7.5 after all..

Personal opinion,i really love Deidara's character..

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Im sorry but i disagree, i give him 9/10

He would of beat sasuke if it wasnt for manda, he even trained one of his eyes to block the sharingan, that is intelligents and determination

He beat the kazekage without really trying and he uses his clay to his advantage.

The only reason i didnt give him 10 is because his jutsu is baised on how much clay he has which kind of sucks, and i was disapointed that he didnt kill sasuke, sasuke would of died if he wasnt such a main character

Yes, but the ability to summon Manda was part of Sasukes arsenal of moves at the time. He still lost fair and square.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

I was going to give him 8 but chose 7. Because there were stronger people on Akatsuki but will get to them later as i intend to go one by one.

Also,he showed he was easily affected by genjutsu and his final jutsu,while awesome and destructive,it's also suicidal..

I may give him 7.5 after all..

Personal opinion,i really love Deidara's character..

I learnt in maths you should always round up

And i just loved him for saying "Art is a blast" and then blows himself up or something like that, also i dont think its a loss if you comit suicide, more like choosing not to win

 

[Revan]

Im sorry but i disagree, i give him 9/10

He would of beat sasuke if it wasnt for manda, he even trained one of his eyes to block the sharingan, that is intelligents and determination

He beat the kazekage without really trying and he uses his clay to his advantage.

The only reason i didnt give him 10 is because his jutsu is baised on how much clay he has which kind of sucks, and i was disapointed that he didnt kill sasuke, sasuke would of died if he wasnt such a main character

sasuke tried not to kill him. he had him several times on the ground, could have easily killed him, if he wanted.
on the other hand, his c4 kills 90% of the nins, only sannin-/kage-level nins could counter such a thing.
7/10

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most of them truely were weaklings. sasuke and naruto would beat any of them with ease, except madara, pain and itachi (whose true strength is still unknown) and maybe zetsu, and kakashi beats most of them. of course they are all pretty strong in comparision with normal nins, but none of them is somewhere near kage-level, except these three.
sorry but kisame was a pure disappointment, he lost his sword and was killed within seconds. it was his sword which beat kb, not him.

 

[John Constantine]

You can all discuss each members and respective opinions on each member..
I started with Deidara and will continu with Hidan now..

Well Hidan was as dumb as one can gets to start off but he was also immortal..
He had good skills in ninjutsu and taijutsu and was farely quick but that could only help so much 'till he hits his opponent and gets to taste a little of his blood to complete his Demon ritual of his..

In my opinion he's nothing without Kakuzu. Example being when his head was cut off. What could he do without Kakuzu's abilities of reattaching things??

If one doesn't know his tactics,he can be very dangerous. Case being Asuma Senju who was killed by his sadistic ritual. But if one is smart enough and observes him a little,will get his secrets and a way to defeat him.

He did defeated and captured the 2-Tailed Bijuu and a strong Senju like Asuma. So i'll give it merit for that..

He gets a 6 out of 10..

 

[twistedlink]

Kisame doesnt have the ability to beat Jiraiya because sharks dont eat toads?

Kisame knows he's no match for Jiraiya because toads love water. Sharks aren't known for eating frogs and stuff in the real world, so it wouldn't make much sense for Kisame to possess a natural advantage over Jiraiya. also, we know jiraiya is very averse in water techs.

Probably one of the most retarded statement I have ever said.

May I also remind you it was a mistranslation anyway, and they were talking about kyuubi power.

Also we have seen Itachi play fighting, and we have seen Kisame go all out, and they said even together they couldnt beat Jiraiya?

Bullshit.

They even said if they bring more akatsuki members the result would be the same.

Pains an akatsuki member and won, so this statement is quite strange.

We have seen Kishi change power grades and what characters release trump cards.

Jiraiyas good, but his popularity carries him into ranks that are quite frankly laughable

 

[John Constantine]

sasuke tried not to kill him. he had him several times on the ground, could have easily killed him, if he wanted.
on the other hand, his c4 kills 90% of the nins, only sannin-/kage-level nins could counter such a thing.
7/10

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most of them truely were weaklings. sasuke and naruto would beat any of them with ease, except madara, pain and itachi (whose true strength is still unknown) and maybe zetsu, and kakashi beats most of them. of course they are all pretty strong in comparision with normal nins, but none of them is somewhere near kage-level, except these three.
sorry but kisame was a pure disappointment, he lost his sword and was killed within seconds. it was his sword which beat kb, not him.

Don't agree at all with the second part.. You should read the original post again..
With Kakashi for example, Kakuzu easily manhandled him without even trying too much..
You right about Sasuke don't wanting to kill Deidara Though. As he wanted to know where Itachi was..

 

[John Constantine]

Kisame doesnt have the ability to beat Jiraiya because sharks dont eat toads?



Probably one of the most retarded statement I have ever said.

May I also remind you it was a mistranslation anyway, and they were talking about kyuubi power.

Also we have seen Itachi play fighting, and we have seen Kisame go all out, and they said even together they couldnt beat Jiraiya?

Bullshit.

They even said if they bring more akatsuki members the result would be the same.

Pains an akatsuki member and won, so this statement is quite strange.

We have seen Kishi change power grades and what characters release trump cards.

Jiraiyas good, but his popularity carries him into ranks that are quite frankly laughable

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[The Pervy Sage]

Jiraiya was a great ninja, say what you like but he only lost to pain because of pains secret, and he wouldnt of been so well know if he was weak, though i also think when itachi said that he and kisame couldnt beat jiraiya he was only saying it because jiraiya was a protecter of the village and he didnt want to kill him because he was still loyal to the leaf and kisame wouldnt argue with itachi!


Right hidan was an idiot but funny at the same time, his sythe was an awsome weapon and his imortallity was formidable.
I would give him 7 out of 10 for being such a good nin but an idiot at the same time and that he beat the 2 tails

 

[twistedlink]

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Doesn't suggest They would lose against Jiraiya at all.

Jiraiyas powerful, but come on, danzo has stated Itachis Genjutsu is on a whole new level, manipulating time, and sure Jiraiya can seal amaterasu with pen and paper, but when itachis firing out a field worth of the stuff which we have seen him do then J man will be under pressure.

Plus sword of totsuka is unavoidable, has lots of reach and has no counter, plus Jiraiya cant hit Itachi who has yatas mirror.

These chapters are old, and the akatsuki have grown a lot since then.

Jiraiyas very strong, but many members of akatsuki can beat him

Itachi
Kisame
Pain
Tobi
..Kakuzu? (he was ganged up on and even with FRS kakashi had to kill the 5th heart, FRS only killed 2 hearts.)

Sasori maybe, I still personally think sasori was cheapened vastly.

He was against an enemy that knew his techs and movements, plus he had a change of heart at the end, chiyo said he purposefully didnt dodge when he was fully capable...

He had regrets and wasnt fighting to full
sasori is actually extremely strong

 

[Caliburn]

I only have read the first part, not the comments in purple and blue as the colors are just annoying + it's not needed as you're just twisting around the freaking toilet.

I say this: Akatsuki took down 7 jinchuuriki's without loosing, no way that they are/were weak. Don't forget that they fought countless of battles and won them, it just happens that they only have shown the ones they lost in the manga -_-

No need to start analyzing them one by one as it depends against who they are fighting. The cycle of being strong is not linear, but circular.

 

[Revan]

Don't agree at all with the second part.. You should read the original post again..
With Kakashi for example, Kakuzu easily manhandled him without even trying too much..
You right about Sasuke don't wanting to kill Deidara Though. As he wanted to know where Itachi was..

well, most of them wasnt completely right. hidan, konan, sasori, maybe zetsu, mabye deideira. possibly kisame if he hits samehada with ms.
actually kakazu would get 6.5/10 for the first part of the fight, but after naruto appears he just becomes stupid as hell.
"i have three lives with different elemental attacks, but i cant assume to be hit with that, that's why i pull all of them to one point and stop spamming distance attacks" ouch!
thats why he gets 5.5/10

hidan gets 5/10 in the fight against asuma and 2/10 against shikamaru for being so dumb to block a physical attack of shikamaru instead of trying to hurt him. therefore he gets 3/10 at all.

sasori is beat by chiyo and sakura, is there a need for adding something? of course they counter him, but a fast fighter would pwn his body before he even gets to summon some replacement. 3/10

samhada gets 7.5/10, kisame 4/10 for being to stupid to control his own sword, so he'll end up at 6/10.

pain gets 9/10 for being the biggest jinx to ever live, first being crippled and kills everybody except the one he wants to kill, and second for using his destructive ultra-tech which blocks his abilities for the next 10 minutes to destroy a whole city and having his hardest enemy appear all prepared exactly in the moment his attack ends.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Doesn't suggest They would lose against Jiraiya at all.

Jiraiyas powerful, but come on, danzo has stated Itachis Genjutsu is on a whole new level, manipulating time, and sure Jiraiya can seal amaterasu with pen and paper, but when itachis firing out a field worth of the stuff which we have seen him do then J man will be under pressure.

Plus sword of totsuka is unavoidable, has lots of reach and has no counter, plus Jiraiya cant hit Itachi who has yatas mirror.

These chapters are old, and the akatsuki have grown a lot since then.

Jiraiyas very strong, but many members of akatsuki can beat him

Itachi
Kisame
Pain
Tobi
..Kakuzu? (he was ganged up on and even with FRS kakashi had to kill the 5th heart, FRS only killed 2 hearts.)

Sasori maybe, I still personally think sasori was cheapened vastly.

He was against an enemy that knew his techs and movements, plus he had a change of heart at the end, chiyo said he purposefully didnt dodge when he was fully capable...

He had regrets and wasnt fighting to full
sasori is actually extremely strong

Itachi, Pain, madara could i believe but the others id say no but would be a very close fight

 

[Revan]

@Jiraya:

i don't want to hurt somebody's feelings, but pain really slaughtered jiraya.
but i dont think that kakazu could beat a sm-jiraya, he wouldnt be fast enough. on the other hand, without sage-mode it looks possible.