[Discussion] For the posters who understimate how strong Akatsuki really was..

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Terminal illness has nothing to do with livable conditions.

Millions of young people die each year of terminal illnesses 1st world and 3rd.

Cancer is not rife in Africa, Malaria and AIDS are, but treatable.

Cancer is mostly genetic.

Ruler Michael youre lucky nobody around you young has died, however not everyone is as lucky as you.

I only have 1 sibling when i was supposed to have 2, young terminal illnesses are not rare.

Theyre not rife either, but Itachi having an illness is in no way "suspicious"

Your comments are also ignorant, considering you seem to think that just because nobody young has died in your life that that is the case for everyone else, very ignorant.
 

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Yeah, but Itachi wasn`t/isn`t from the 3rd world countries like Africa now is hexd:)

Well there goes the theory of Itachi coming back down the toilet:(

Sharpism, Yeah i know. I only wished that wasn`t the case in the "Itachi matter";)

But i guess it wouldn`t have matter if he wished to "die" at Sasuke`s hands anyway...

It is the same thing, 3rd world countries dont have medical access so they die and the same is for itachi because hes a missing nin
 

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I agree with you on all apart from hidan and sasori, i would put hidan up to a 5 because he pretty much cant die, but his still an idiot lol. As for sasori i would put him up to a 7 because o his combo attacks with different elements and he would of been really hard to beat if it wasnt for narutos awsome attack :)

Did you mean Kakuzu? Not Sasori?

Also, Hidans immortality is either about to run out, or ran out already. In order to keep his immortality going he has to kill people. I highly doubt he can kill people if he's in a hole while dismembered.
 

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Did you mean Kakuzu? Not Sasori?

Also, Hidans immortality is either about to run out, or ran out already. In order to keep his immortality going he has to kill people. I highly doubt he can kill people if he's in a hole while dismembered.

yeh my bad and if thats the case why was hidan like saying how he is going to dig his way out with his head and kill shikamaru?
 

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Did you mean Kakuzu? Not Sasori?

Also, Hidans immortality is either about to run out, or ran out already. In order to keep his immortality going he has to kill people. I highly doubt he can kill people if he's in a hole while dismembered.

That was never confirmed.. For all we know he is immortal and still alive in that hole,dismembered though..
 

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That was never confirmed.. For all we know he is immortal and still alive in that hole,dismembered though..

Maybe he just liked to please his god making sacrifices to jashin? not sure if that was his gods name :)
 

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Hmmm what would narutos sage mode rasenshruiken do to hidan i wonder?
 

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Hmmm what would narutos sage mode rasenshruiken do to hidan i wonder?

Yeah I'm curious about that too. If Hidan is immortal but can't regenerate, is he still alive when he's ripped to shreds? That would suck.
 

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Yeah I'm curious about that too. If Hidan is immortal but can't regenerate, is he still alive when he's ripped to shreds? That would suck.

He still could run his big mouth and threat Naruto to death with his teeth like he did with Shikamaru..
Kakuzu was still talking with Kakashi after been hit with Fuuton Rasen-Shuriken..
 

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He still could run his big mouth and threat Naruto to death with his teeth like he did with Shikamaru..
Kakuzu was still talking with Kakashi after been hit with Fuuton Rasen-Shuriken..

Yeah but it wasn't the Sage mode FRS that expanded. Also, I meant if he was completely obliterated and only small chunks of him were laying around. And Kakuzu had a weird anatomy so his Earth Grudge Fear tendrilized body might have been more resilient.
 

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He still could run his big mouth and threat Naruto to death with his teeth like he did with Shikamaru..
Kakuzu was still talking with Kakashi after been hit with Fuuton Rasen-Shuriken..

Man that made me really lol when hidan was saying that to shika :p
 

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well, I think that every single Akatsuki member is super strong, and no one can deny that. But the fact is that theres always someone stronger, and I have reason to believe that Akatsuki is one of many renegade missing nin shinobi organisations that are to be dealt with.
And some of them, or dare I to say, most of them got killed fighting Konoha shinobi who were always in larger numbers (which gives them the advantage to analyse their strenghts and weaknesses). Take Sasori for example, grandma Chio knew him, and with Sakuras help she was able to take him out, same with Hidan (only this time it was Shikamaru who found out his weaknesses, but not without a big help from Asuma), also theres Pain, Jiraya would surely be able to fight and defeat him if only he'd known his secret sooner. So with my analyse I dare say that the Akatsuki members are not weak, but are strong as their secrets are kept.
And now we get to Madara and Zetsu, would they be able to fight off the entire shinobi world? I think not, but there will surely be some serious fireworks to be seen when the showdown begins...
 

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Kisame doesnt have the ability to beat Jiraiya because sharks dont eat toads?



Probably one of the most retarded statement I have ever said.

May I also remind you it was a mistranslation anyway, and they were talking about kyuubi power.

Also we have seen Itachi play fighting, and we have seen Kisame go all out, and they said even together they couldnt beat Jiraiya?

Bullshit.

They even said if they bring more akatsuki members the result would be the same.

Pains an akatsuki member and won, so this statement is quite strange.

We have seen Kishi change power grades and what characters release trump cards.

Jiraiyas good, but his popularity carries him into ranks that are quite frankly laughable


everyone underestimates jiraiya lol. he managed to beat 3 pains in sage mode, true it was rendered useless within seconds but give the guy some credit. Pain himself admitted if he didn't have 6 bodies he couldn't beat him.

@the topic starter, I totaly agree with this topic. noone knows what itachi would be like if he wasn't Trying to lose. Madara already has been a kage, and pain beat hanzo and konoha by himself. Kisame was at the level of a jinchuuriki, sasori and kakuzu were just Fu**ing raw. Then theres Orochimaru, the dude killed two kages true The hokage was old and in his prime would have probably demolished orochimaru. Gaaras father on the other hand was not old, was a kage and was guarded.
 
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everyone underestimates jiraiya lol. he managed to beat 3 pains in sage mode, true it was rendered useless within seconds but give the guy some credit. Pain himself admitted if he didn't have 6 bodies he couldn't beat him.

@the topic starter, I totaly agree with this topic. noone knows what itachi would be like if he wasn't Trying to lose. Madara already has been a kage, and pain beat hanzo and konoha by himself. Kisame was at the level of a jinchuuriki, sasori and kakuzu were just Fu**ing raw. Then theres Orochimaru, the dude killed two kages true The hokage was old and in his prime would have probably demolished orochimaru. Gaaras father on the other hand was not old, was a kage and was guarded.

Jiraiya is awsome :D
 

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Jiraiya finding Nagato is hilarious.

1.He didnt know about chakra recievers
2.He didnt know where Nagato would be and Naruto perfected sage mode allowing him to find pain
3.Naruto had to take out all 6 bodies to get to Nagato, this required 3 uses of sage mode, with information on each bodies strength and weakness before he made an attack, 5 frog summons, and God realm was out, and Pain had exhausted a large amount of Chakra.
4.Naruto then had to use Kyuubi power at full 8/9 tails to escape chibaku tensei, and pain was ready to make an even larger one to trap him in.
5.Naruto then got to Nagato who attempted to attack but Naruto used Sage/Kyuubi mode to stop it (eyes appeared behind Naruto when he sucked out souls)


You reckon J man coulda done that with no help beforehand at all and Pain at full Chakra??

People have to stop cherry picking certain sentences.

We have some members here debating over 300 chapters ago where the story has moved on greatly since then.

Also Kishi isn't perfect.

I could care less what Kishi says, use common sense, Jiraiya took a smashing from just 3 bodies and only just got away with frog song (took long time to cast)

with all 6 bodies Pain would have creamed Jiraiya, and in any case Nagato managed to get the 3 other bodies out after frog song anyway so im wondering how much Pain was trcked by that tech tbh.

Surely if frog song got Nagato then Nagato wouldnt be able to use the other 3 to reincarnate the killed 3.
 

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Terminal illness has nothing to do with livable conditions.

Millions of young people die each year of terminal illnesses 1st world and 3rd.

Cancer is not rife in Africa, Malaria and AIDS are, but treatable.

Cancer is mostly genetic.

Ruler Michael youre lucky nobody around you young has died, however not everyone is as lucky as you.

I only have 1 sibling when i was supposed to have 2, young terminal illnesses are not rare.

Theyre not rife either, but Itachi having an illness is in no way "suspicious"

Your comments are also ignorant, considering you seem to think that just because nobody young has died in your life that that is the case for everyone else, very ignorant.

Of course i see your points, i`m not blind, However. I wasn`t talking about my life, i was refering to my country and media wise.

Me personally and those around me have general speaking only heard/witnessed 2 "young" deaths that doesn`t involve killing, or cancer for that sake(Not completely sure if one of the case was cancer or not).
i`m saying cancer, cause, again, where i live(in Norway), dieing under the age of 25 from a decease which is not cancer or murder is a little rare(at least from what i know and in the state/province i live in. If anyone match the facts, then its first and foremost cancer, whice is the factor). Not completely, but more.. um, "not too known". It may sound wird. But as long as i`ve lived, dieing from something other than murder, or cancer under 25, isn`t as informed in the media as in for example, i don`t know. USA maybe.
So for me, it sounds wird that Itachi and Kimimaru "died" out of a mortal decease under the age of 25, but then again. The people in Naruto looks, and behaves much older than their age, even though that hasn`t any thing with the matter to do.

So excuse me for finding it wird that a "unknown"(either that or i don`t remember) mortal decease was the "only" thing to fell those two gigants:(:-/

And sorry for your lose(i`m refering to your family member) btw:(
 
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About Hidan. Wonder what would happend if you split his head vertical or horrisontal way or set his body on fire and let it burn to the skeleton?:rolleyes:
 

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Then why doesn't Itachi do that with Kisame or even Sasori? In your opinion Itachi + anyone = Perfect team because itachi is so skilled that he could do something like that. But you never see anyone under a Genjutsu ACTUALLY being controlled by the caster. That leads me to believe that it's not possible.
Genjutsu alters the signals the body sends to the brain not the opposite way around. Its hard to understand if you don't get it right away BUT you eyes don't actually "SEE" things, they just take the image and translate it into a signal that the brain can comprehend. You don't actually "HEAR" things with your ears it just takes the signals of sound and changes it into something the brain can comprehend.
What genjutsu does is it changes those signals of the 5 senses, to alter them to the way they want. It'd take a lot of effort to control someone through these sorts of aspects.


Next of all, why have ONE person do the amount of work for 2 people? When both of them are PERFECTLY capable to do the same amount of work themselves?

Lastly, Hidan + Kakuzu were a perfect team regardless of what you say. Them TOGETHER were UNBEATABLE. That is why Shikimaru split them up. He figured that out. If Hidan + Kakuzu didn't get split up then they WOULDN'T have gotten beat. Regardless of who was there.


strongly disagree. here is why.

first and foremost, controlling one is entirely possible. orochimaru did it with the 1st and 2nd hokages vs sarutobi, nagato did it with dead corpses, danzou did it with the samurai guy at the summit, the list goes on...

secondly, if itachi were capable of it then yeah, itachi + anyone, or any sharingan user of itachi's level + anyone would be the best team.

thirdly, obviously whatever one sees and hears in an illusion is nothing but an illusion. however, your argument precludes the fact that MS genjutsu may be slightly different, in that it might not only be caused by variations of the five senses.

furthermore, why have one idiot do part of the work? think of the team as a watch. it'll only properly work so long as all the gears mesh and work in unison. should a wrench be thrown in, everything stalls. same principle applies to a team. a team is only as strong as its weakest link, aka hidan. why allow an idiot to tave part in the decision-making? thats just counter-productive.

and lastly, itachi need not cast a genjutsu on kisame because he KNOWS hes already really strong. he KNOWS kisame wont act rashly and get himself killed or in a situation which requires his teammate's aid. and itachi KNOWS kisame better than anyone; if he were able to cast mind-controlling jutsus and still left kisame with his own mind, then clearly he had faith in kisame's abilities.

edit : and i forgot to mention, shikamaru did not seperate them because that was the only way of defeating them. as smart as he was, he probably deduced it was the easiest or safest route to take. but that wasnt why he did it. he seperated hidan so he could take care of him himself, for he took the life of his master. THATS why he seperated them. he wanted to avenge asuma with his own hands.
 
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I have the manga right infront of me. Shikamaru: The best way to fight them is to seperate them.
Ino then offers and Shikamaru tells her its too high risk. IF Ino had a better chance at beating Hidan he would have let her. He's WAY too smart to let his emotions sway the fight.

Also the teams were perfect Kakuzu took advantage of hidans immortality more than once in that fight.

I really don't think ANY of the Akatsuki were 'idiots' so to say. They all came from different walks of life and I truly think that having a few hot headed characters would and is a better choice then a bunch of Kakuzu's, Sasori's, and Itachi personalities.

Also excluding the dead people being controlled, none of the Akatsuke should have or would have mind controlled each other because the were ALL highly skilled shinobi and controling someone and fighting limit how much attention you can do in your own fight.
I excused the reincarnated people because the were zombies and HAD to be controlled cause they don't have functioning brains
 

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About Hidan. Wonder what would happend if you split his head vertical or horrisontal way or set his body on fire and let it burn to the skeleton?:rolleyes:

Hed be a burnt skellington with a cracked skull shouting abuse :p
 
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