[VS] Minato VS Tobirama

[wael reda]

If minato summoned boss toads,ma , pa and entered permenant sm then he would win mid diff

 

[Bogard]

Minato would win this high difficulty because it would be a battle of speed where Minato has better FTG usage, slightly better reactions and better shunshin. If needs arise he can use SM

Minatotards can be annoying

Minato wins due to summoning and being slightly better in the use of FTG...Tobirama has better reactions feats though.

How can you rate who has better reactions than who when they don't face the same opponents? Tobirama put tags on mindless V1 Jubito at the cost of half his body(a great feat though), but the one who removed Minato's arm is brain V2 Jubito. SM Madara is the one who dominated Tobirama during his sneak attack when the one who bested SM Minato is Madara Jin.

In other words, Minato was always facing superior versions. There is no way to use them as arguments to tell who has better reactions than who. To me they have comparable reactions because both complimented each others in their reaction speed(when Tobirama complimented Minato for puting tags that fast before they arrived and when Minato complimented Tobirama in puting tags on Jubito) and the goshun mawashi also requires 2 people reacting as fast as the other in combo to swap the same instant.

Though considering Kishi always put Minato against superior versions, plus the fact Minato received more hype for his speed, i have the tendency to consider Minato as having slightly better reflexes than Tobirama as well by portrayal point of view

 

[Unorthodox]

Gamabunta solos

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato would win this high difficulty because it would be a battle of speed where Minato has better FTG usage, slightly better reactions and better shunshin. If needs arise he can use SM

How can you rate who has better reactions than who when they don't face the same opponents? Tobirama put tags on mindless V1 Jubito at the cost of half his body(a great feat though), but the one who removed Minato's arm is brain V2 Jubito. SM Madara is the one who dominated Tobirama during his sneak attack when the one who bested SM Minato is Madara Jin.

In other words, Minato was always facing superior versions. There is no way to use them as arguments to tell who has better reactions than who. To me they have comparable reactions because both complimented each others in their reaction speed(when Tobirama complimented Minato for puting tags that fast before they arrived and when Minato complimented Tobirama in puting tags on Jubito) and the goshun mawashi also requires 2 people reacting as fast as the other in combo to swap the same instant.

Though considering Kishi always put Minato against superior versions, plus the fact Minato received more hype for his speed, i have the tendency to consider Minato as having slightly better reflexes than Tobirama as well by portrayal point of view

@bold

That's a really good point actually. I forget that that technique requires them to be in perfect sync, neither one can react faster or slower than the other in order to properly initiate the jutsu.

 

[Haizaki]

The only retard here is you for calling other ppl retards .

Show me a scan where someone reacted 2 times to 8th Gate Gai speed can you ? Oh yeah it is Minato , and again It is Minato who were still around after facing Madara with Juubi , can''t say the same for Tobirama .

Lol relax I was joking...the guy there pisses my off with his wank sometimes. Not that I have any problem in general with Minato fans or any other.

I can show you a scan of SM Minato getting smacked down by Juubidara while 7G could react fast enough to avoid that Lol

I can also show you a scan of 5G Lee reacting to Minato's speed alongside the TSB if that's how you want to play it.

I can show you a scan of Minato getting his hand cut off by Juubito and Tobirama tagging the same guy 5 times..Maybe you should learn something..That's not Gai's full speed as he was traveling while in air and not using pure foot speed. Even though that was on air, this

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alone shows that the fact that he kicked up the air once more reduced his momentum.


@Bogard

I believe the only difference is the fact that Juubito was mindless?

Even asides that,

Juubito could sense from what we saw and yet Tobirama took him by surprise and hit him with the TSB before he could react

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. My point is even though he was tagged, he could at least reacted. We've already seen B react to Minato even though he was tagged. Sure Minato has better use with the FTG and is always facing high leveled opponents but I think to Tobirama has better reaction feats and is quicker to act. SM puts him above though but without it, yeah I think it's Tobi.

 

[Bogard]

@Bogard

I believe the only difference is the fact that Juubito was mindless?

No that's like saying there is no difference between a Biju and a perfect Jinchuriki. When Naruto takes control of Kyubi's chakra he is much faster than Kyubi

Even asides that,

Juubito could sense from what we saw and yet Tobirama took him by surprise and hit him with the TSB before he could react

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. My point is even though he was tagged, he could at least reacted. We've already seen B react to Minato even though he was tagged. Sure Minato has better use with the FTG and is always facing high leveled opponents but I think to Tobirama has better reaction feats and is quicker to act. SM puts him above though but without it, yeah I think it's Tobi.

Jubito was diverted by Naruto, Minato and Sasuke at that point. Tobirama came from the background at that moment, in other words someone Jubito paid no attention in. B was prepared against Minato, he never reacted to him. Minato's intention was only to threaten the duo, so he only teleported behind B without actually attacking. It wasn't a feat of reaction when Minato was staying in a standstil position without attacking

 

[Haizaki]

No that's like saying there is no difference between a Biju and a perfect Jinchuriki. When Naruto takes control of Kyubi's chakra he is much faster than Kyubi

Yeah true

Jubito was diverted by Naruto, Minato and Sasuke at that point. Tobirama came from the background at that moment, in other words someone Jubito paid no attention in. B was prepared against Minato, he never reacted to him. Minato's intention was only to threaten the duo, so he only teleported behind B without actually attacking. It wasn't a feat of reaction when Minato was staying in a standstil position without attacking

Tobirama did appear in front of him in that same scan and collected the TSB..he could sense Tobirama. So it wasn't in the background. As soon as Tobirama appeared, he was surprised and didn't react.He left him surprised twice though the second time, Tobirama didn't attack.

B had no idea he was tagged(unless you can prove so)..He was watching Ay go for Minato so yes indeed he would be surprised at the fact that Minato came for him. It was a feat seeing as Minato was looking down and even said

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"You move like a true killer shinobi" The point is he did react..His hands are right behind him as soon as Minato appears

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[Apêx1]

Tobirama has superior reactions, but inferior speed. Though his intelligence and Chakra are also potentially superior, Minato's feats are much better suited for such a fight. Gamabunta's presence, FTG superiority, his Rasengan and his peculiarly powerful kunai stab should give him the win.

 

[KingHashirama]

Just like how Hiruzen is a degraded Hashirama

Minato is a degraded Tobirama

Tobirama has superior reactions, but inferior speed. Though his intelligence and Chakra are also potentially superior, Minato's feats are much better suited for such a fight. Gamabunta's presence, FTG superiority, his Rasengan and his peculiarly powerful kunai stab should give him the win.

@Bold, If anything Tobirama is the superior one.

 

[elsepa]

Lol at the minatards.Tobirama let himself be blitzed by Obito to tag him 5 damn times, on the other hand Minato got accidentally blitzed.
Also when has Minato blitzed anyone with foot speed? Tobirama is smarter, and quicker to act.

While Minato yells Nardoooooooo Tobirama is acting

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Then again a clone comes to the rescue

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[Tobiramas]

Minato is faster, so he wins this

 

[Ababeel]

@Bold, If anything Tobirama is the superior one.

If anything, Tobirama knows that he is not in Minato's level.

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Tobirama >>>>>>>>> his fanboys. U_U

 

[Gold Lightning]

Lol at the minatards.Tobirama let himself be blitzed by Obito to tag him 5 damn times, on the other hand Minato got accidentally blitzed.
Also when has Minato blitzed anyone with foot speed? Tobirama is smarter, and quicker to act.

While Minato yells Nardoooooooo Tobirama is acting

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Then again a clone comes to the rescue

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He didn't let himself get blitzed, he got blitzed plain and simple, there was no way he was dodging that speed. However he took advantage of that instant to tag Juubito.

Minato blitzed passed Obito to save baby Naruto, he blitzed Kakashi and stopped him from stabbing Obito and he saved Kushina and ran to the top of a cliff on top of a tree, then blitzed Kurama with food cart destroyer from the other side of the village - all using just foot speed.

Re-read the manga, all his chakra was sucked up by the tree, tobiramas wasn't. Minato couldn't do anything, he couldn't even use FTG anymore because he said all his chakra had been absorbed. It's not that minato was incapable of acting, there just wasn't anything he could do.

Yeah, the clone comes to the rescue, cool. How quickly you people are to forget all the things minato did before that. How much faster he got to the battlefield before Tobirama and teleported the tailed beast bomb and saved everyone and how he set up the markings for the barrier all before Tobirama even arrived; to which Tobirama compliment his striking speed. Minato out speeds Tobirama multiple times before, yet Tobirama does it once and suddenly everything that came before is forgotten... smh

 

[V h o]

Minato mid-high diff. Tobirama needs ET fodder to win imo.

 

[Ababeel]

He didn't let himself get blitzed, he got blitzed plain and simple, there was no way he was dodging that speed. However he took advantage of that instant to tag Juubito.

Minato blitzed passed Obito to save baby Naruto, he blitzed Kakashi and stopped him from stabbing Obito and he saved Kushina and ran to the top of a cliff on top of a tree, then blitzed Kurama with food cart destroyer from the other side of the village - all using just foot speed.

Re-read the manga, all his chakra was sucked up by the tree, tobiramas wasn't. Minato couldn't do anything, he couldn't even use FTG anymore because he said all his chakra had been absorbed. It's not that minato was in able of acting, there just wasn't anything he could do.

Yeah, the clone comes to the rescue, cool. How quickly you people are to forget all the things minato did before that. How much faster he got to the battlefield before Tobirama and teleported the tailed beast bomb and saved everyone and how he set up the markings for the barrier all before Tobirama even arrived; to which Tobirama compliment his striking speed. Minato out speeds Tobirama multiple times before, yet Tobirama does it once and suddenly everything that came before is forgotten... smh

and it's better when they ignore this feat

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just watch them getting salty and laugh. XD

 

[Bogard]

I don't know why people are arguing with elsepa

Tobirama did appear in front of him in that same scan and collected the TSB..he could sense Tobirama. So it wasn't in the background. As soon as Tobirama appeared, he was surprised and didn't react.He left him surprised twice though the second time, Tobirama didn't attack.

B had no idea he was tagged(unless you can prove so)..He was watching Ay go for Minato so yes indeed he would be surprised at the fact that Minato came for him. It was a feat seeing as Minato was looking down and even said

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"You move like a true killer shinobi" The point is he did react..His hands are right behind him as soon as Minato appears

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Jubito had no idea he was marked. It's for that reason when Tobirama appeared behind him he was surprised at first, but later on Tobirama admitted himself that if he tried that again, Jubito will kill him. Tobirama's reaction speed against Jubito that you mention was always happening when he was either unaware or distracted by someone else(like for the goshun mawashi for example, Jubito was distracted by what Minato was doing).

As for B, well the marking was on his limb. He may or may not have seen it, but that is besides the point. Between the moment A attacks Minato and the moment Minato reappears behind B, we don't see what B is doing. He could have easily left his arm back there in case Minato teleports behind him. Minato saying he moves like a true killer shinobi was a compliment about his stealth as a shinobi(his capacity to hide his moves surprising the opponent) rather than a reaction speed compliment. Minato noticed B left his hand there beforehand waiting for him. It's for that reason he complimented B on that to have seen through that move and prepared for that. The thing i'm pointing out is that Minato himself didn't attack, he only left his arm in the air to threaten him, so there were no speed comparison there

 

[Haizaki]

Alright..Minato is superior but slightly without SM though. That combo as well shows Tobirama has what it takes.

 

[elsepa]

I don't know why people are arguing with elsepa

No one should because its all manga phacts , try not to wank Minato so much; he is just a fictional character

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[Bogard]

No one should because its all manga phacts , try not to wank Minato so much; he is just a fictional character

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Who cares when Kakashi > Gai?

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[Eternal Sage]

Minato mid diff, its FTG vs FTG and Tobirama himself said that Minato's is superior