No, there can be objective interpretation of this. Like i've already said above, Tobirama reacted to mindless V1 Jubito. Minato reacted to brain version 2 Jubito(partially dodging his assault). [
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] Minato's feat is greater because he faced a superior opponent. Mindless Jubito isn't as fast and perceptive as brain version 2 Jubito who was outpacing both EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto [
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]. Because of this it's even possible that in Tobirama's place he could have tagged mindless V1 Jubito without actually losing half his body
No, there cannot, and yours is very far from it. Tobirama reacted accordingly, yes. What did Minato do? You call that a reaction feat? Let's see.
1. Lost his arm
2. Got stuck with a TSB time bomb
3. Teleported after and didn't even notice it on him
4. New reaction feat.
Lol, Are you serious? That has to be one of the most absurd things I have ever heard. That's like reacting 20 seconds later because Juubito didn't do anything after putting the TSB bomb and having a new reaction feat. You cannot measure panel speed, but you can measure what happened in a panel, what happened to Minato was rape. What Minato did was teleport away, you don't know when, and clearly, he didn't benefit had it not been for Tobirama. Only because someone got raped by Kaguya doesn't mean they have a new feat since they face someone strong. And again... how is that a reaction feat? Sasuke reacted with his own Susano extension, and Minato isn't supposed to be able to FTG Naruto when he has full perspective of what is happening, let alone the fact fatass mindless Jubito's gudo dama was never implied to be fast. Lel, nope. That's what they call deductive fallacy, what you portrayed are feats that can be replicated by nigh-anyone. There barely feats to begin with. Give Konohamaru FTG and he can legitimately replicate every single thing Minato just did. Get owned and teleport Naruto away when he has full perspective.
Minato entered SM instantly against Madara jin. [
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Notice Minato threw a kunai under Madara before entering Sage Mode and we know that to enter sage mode you need to remain immobile to gather natural energy.
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That means that right before entering Sage Mode, Minato was actually mobile(considering he threw the kunai), making his entering of the mode close to instant. He didn't require a split of second(the time after the kunai throw) to enter the mode
Fail to see why people still argue this. Minato said himself it takes a long time for him to gather senjutsu, and hiss efficiency with it is low. You claiming he was able to do it instantaneously completely contradicts such a thing, since that would be SM on the level of Naruto's.
It's a misconception that because said he isn't good in the mode that he can't use it in battle. I believe you misunderstood Minato's wording or at least it would contradict a direct mangascan in this case. Minato only mentioned the fact it takes him too much time to knead the chakra(talking in terms of quantity). He didn't say however that he can't knead small amount in time to make use of it in battle. It's in the long run that Minato wasn't finding SM appropriate. Not that he couldn't make use of it for short bursts if need arise. And even then, when he has the possibility to summon Pa and Ma, that problem can quickly be resolved
This is based on too many assumptions for actual usage in a VS. *********** and Mangapanda completely disagree with this, the only thing you have going is VIZ saying he didn't use it 'much' in battle, nevertheless barely ever used it. Moreover, kneading chakra is required to balance our own chakra with senjutsu. You cannot knead a small amount of senjutsu, otherwise he would turn into stone. Ma and Pa require a ritual in the same way Jiraiya had to, Minato and Naruto aren't exceptions nor was such ever implied. He would never get the chance to do such, though.
Well both are sensors, not to mention i fail to see how sensing helps. It's not like it's a precognitive move like what confers Sage Mode or Sharingan. Not to mention you also forget to mention the fact that the Madara, Minato faced was Jubi Jin Madara. So another point where Kishi placed Minato against a superior version of an opponent. The implication is clear here. Ask yourself this, by manga portrayal if Kishi were to do a battle of speed between Tobirama and Minato, who would win? By portrayal point of view, Minato is placed in a better regard than Tobirama
Minato's sensory abilities are based on touching the ground and sensing chakra which even Team Taka sensed. His sensory skills don't even begin to compare to Tobirama, who can distinguish chakra signatures based on clans and follow ninja with sensory abilities while spying, among several other occasions. Sensing is in fact useful given he will know where the FTG kunais are, the placement of clones all around him, Minato appearing behind him or attempting to be slick and build up in chakra. Never claimed it was precognitive, but it's pluses are still superb. Does that really matter? Minato got his other hand cut off again, so if anything, it's showing that Minato should sit down and rethink his own prowess. By feats, what Tobirama did was beyond Minato, but to you, because Minato faced stronger opponents and got owned, it implies him being superior. As I said, deductive fallacy. By FTG speed, Minato would be faster. By quickness to act and reaction speed, Tobirama would be faster. So that would make up for a slightly inferior FTG. More so, Minato has a smaller range and a lower level of intelligence when compared to Tobirama. Added with the fact he can shoot Suiton bullets from his mouth at high speeds, and that he can sense and keep fighting for longer periods of time than Minato can, I'd think he takes this fight handedly. If anything, the only thing Minato is portrayed superiorly with, is his FTG, whereas Tobirama's abilities, sensing, intelligence, quickness to act and other implied abilities are shown to be on higher levels.
What this shows is the strength of his chakra, not the quantity. Old Hiruzen could do that in part1 but he had weak chakra reserve. I'd like to point out the fact that Tobirama could only make 2clones while holding a barrier old Hiruzen(with his weak chakra reserve) could hold, so it implies he "only" has 3 times the chakra of old hiruzen and it can even be less considering we have no way to know the barrier took that much on old Hiruzen. Minato on the other side has large enough chakra reserve to use SM, so it's actually possible they have more comparable chakra reserves than you actually think. I think people think that because he is a Senju he automatically has more, but Tsunade who is a senju has less quantity of chakra than Jiraya
Maybe that's why I said potency and quantity?.. This Edo Hiruzen isn't old Hiruzen, he does in fact have lots of chakra, as shown when he used 5 Bunshins and 5 large scale elements while doing so, which portrays his massive reserves as a Sarutobi. Only in old age, was he terrible at chakra quantity, which is essentially every Shinobi's destiny. He learned every jutsu for a reason, clearly no shinobi with low chakra reserves would want to learn so many jutsu when he can use 5 or so jutsu per fight, Lol. Again, Tobirama is portrayed to be much higher than Minato in terms of chakra, being a Senju and demonstrating the 3 clones he created in the barrier. Tsunade isn't a means of senju comparability. She's a medic and a taijutsu fighter, yet has massive reserves. Now we imagine Tobirama, a ninjutsu and space time based Senju, who is known for devising many chakra consuming jutsu.
Not really. Don't forget Hashirama beforehand created 5clones or so once again, which makes a total of 11 clones, so in this case it's more like 1/6 of Hashirama's chakra or something. And with what i've said above in comparison with old Hiruzen, it doesn't prove that much. I also fail to understand the argument around the suiton. It's not like blowing them away will stop Minato in teleporting on them. Not to mention that considering he is linked with all his marking, he can summon them back and throw them away. Such a tactic will cost Tobirama a lot in the long run
I don't recall that, but it could be true. Either way, his reserves are still portrayed to be larger than Minato's and much more potent. What you are arguing, I do not know. Tobirama will end up lasting longer than Minato, by a slight margin or a large margin, does it really matter? I was insinuating, that if Minato throws FTG kunai in a similar fashion to what he did against Ay, Tobirama could wash them away so that he is no longer threatened by such. After that, Minato can summon back the FTG kunai's, but that doesn't mean Tobirama has to keep track of every FTG kunai around him. More so, he wouldn't be able to throw 20 of them at once, he would be throwing them one by one, which means Tobirama can deflect them with his own Kunai.
