Naruto Manga 477 Discussion / 478 Predictions
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zumorikato
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Agreed, I think thats the closest thing we'll get to a genetically engineered little robo cop to solve the things his dad couldnt! ; )
My ass is itching for some pics of the new episode. Cant wait for the real spoilers to pop up!
I was pondering the other day about Madara, and why he only have one eye visible. Its really starting to bug me. I mean, if he have both eyes why not show them both? To conceal his ID? Why not wear a mask like Kakashi? My only possible answer is that he is a bit short of an eye. But then the Q is, why didnt he just take one of Itachis? Or another Uchiha that was slaughtered during the Uchiha eye harvesting fest? Or does he perhaps have an implant but conceals it similar to that of Danzou?
Just a Q im curious as to why Kakashi cant deactivate his sharingan, I know its because of the sharingan, but is it because he is not an Uchiha by blood or is it because its a transplanted eye? < Managa reference please>
twistedlink
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Read further into my post and you'll note I said jounins who learn more than 2 cannot use them at a much higher affinity.Maybe so, but its still wird how Naruto didn`t ask
Anyway. Jounins can`t master 2 at most. Kakashi have said that it`s rare for a jounin to have more than 2And beside, Naruto would then have wind and water as the main elements and the other as backups or something
Or maybe it was Yamato who said that in the Sora fillers
For example say a Jounins preferred element is Wind
Another jounins is Lightning, then Rock, Then Wind.
The Jounin who has just wind will be able to make stronger techs than the one who has Wind as his 3rd highest affinity.
The higher the affinity the more powerful the tech can become.
Kakuzu surprised Kakashi when he could use elements at their highest possible power, requiring natural affinities (5 hearts all with natural affinities to one element)
As to Naruto being different, that doesnt somehow break the laws of nartuoverse.
If Kishi writes 5 elements can only be mastered by sage of 6 paths and/or rinnegan users then that's the case.
Can`t give you any references, but i think its because when Obito`s eye was transplanted it was activated(the sharingaan was activated), so it can`t be deactivated after its transplanted in active form.
I`m pretty sure its like this
twistedlink
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Most people reckon its because its a transplant, however its never been referenced as that in the manga, but itd sure make sense.
Probably bit of both tbh, that its transplanted and he isnt uchiha.
Yeah i read that, but i`m just saying
And one thing that still is a little unknown.
Remember Madara talked about the two sons of the sage of the six path and how the "evil" one herritaged the sharingaan and his looks or something like that, and how the "good" one herritaged the will of him and his strenght or something. and that the Byakugann is a later form of this or so.
Then maybe Naruto will learn/awaken rinnegan in some wird way. and if i`m not wrong, the rinnegan is suposed to be better than the sharingaan.
And if you combind rinnegan, sage mode, and kyubii, we would get
twistedlink
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Yeah i read that, but i`m just saying
And one thing that still is a little unknown.
Remember Madara talked about the two sons of the sage of the six path and how the "evil" one herritaged the sharingaan and his looks or something like that, and how the "good" one herritaged the will of him and his strenght or something. and that the Byakugann is a later form of this or so.
Then maybe Naruto will learn/awaken rinnegan in some wird way. and if i`m not wrong, the rinnegan is suposed to be better than the sharingaan.
And if you combind rinnegan, sage mode, and kyubii, we would get
Kind of, sage had 2 sons, one was born with his intellectual mind and genius abilities (rinnegan, sharingan, and byakagun)
One was born with his body, chakra supplies, and will (Narutos enormous chakra)
So Naruto technically cannot have rinnegan as his family tree appears to descend from the ones without the eye techs.
Real life genetics however, they were brothers, and as thus any of the two clans, senju and uchiha, could awaken rinnegan.
Except for what you said whice is right.
Wasn`t it said that the first one(whice applies to Uchiha) was born with the sharingaan,
And the second one(whice applies to senju (i.e Naruto and Hyuga), and Pain) was born with the Rinnegan.
And the Byakugan is a form whice appered later
Meaning that Rinnegaan is the best, then sharingaan, and lastly Byakugaan.
I`m pretty sure it was like that.
Maybe we should look up on that chapter. Sasuke`s dogma i believe it was called...
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Sage of six paths sons were split into eye techs and body.
His first son had rinnegan, which eventually thinned out and mutated into sharingan, as stated here
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Uchiha are descended from the brother who had the rinnegan and wasnt chosen as a succesor.
Senju are descended from the brother who had the sages body and huge chakra, and was chosen as a successor.
Naruto is considered to be part Senju MAYBE.
So no, by the mangas storyline of what tobi has said, Naruto cannot obtain the rinnegan.
Real life genetics-he can...but i dont know if Kishi understands genetics real life lol.
Yeah, but who knows
As far as the story prosses, Naruto must at least do one of the 10 following things:
1: Learn between 3 to all elements, whice gives you a Rasen Shuriken with all the elements by themselves and all in one go
2: Develop his new real own tech. Like Minato invented the Rasengan and Kakashi invented the Raikiri/Chidoori, or discover his unknow Kekkei Genkai
3: Become a sensei and/or Hokage.
4: Become like Jiraiya was.
5: Become Hokage but later steps down and travell the world.
6: Die in battle(most unlikely)
7: Stop and turn or kill Sasuke.
8: Fight Madara with or without comrades.
9: Learn to controll the fox or lose it.
10: Become the new Sage of the Six Paths with a new name of course.
As far as the story prosses, Naruto must at least do one of the 10 following things:
1: Learn between 3 to all elements, whice gives you a Rasen Shuriken with all the elements by themselves and all in one go
2: Develop his new real own tech. Like Minato invented the Rasengan and Kakashi invented the Raikiri/Chidoori, or discover his unknow Kekkei Genkai
3: Become a sensei and/or Hokage.
4: Become like Jiraiya was.
5: Become Hokage but later steps down and travell the world.
6: Die in battle(most unlikely)
7: Stop and turn or kill Sasuke.
8: Fight Madara with or without comrades.
9: Learn to controll the fox or lose it.
10: Become the new Sage of the Six Paths with a new name of course.
smokasushibushi
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Kishimoto is telling this story beautifully, but it is a metaphor for our last 100 years of actual geo-political history. Those of us who do not truly understand said history, like those sheep who have been led, are the reason for his art. All art. Telling truths which remain unsaid to the greater masses. Art is a tool to enlighten. In a world consumed by darkness, greed and hatred, it is one of our only hopes.
Danzo has always seen his lack of control of any situation as a threat to konoha.
In his own twisted way, danzo is loyal to konoha. but only his version of konoha.
Those who assume power, often those who stand behind in the shadows of those puppets we think have power. they act on a belief of manifest destiny. might makes right. if they were not right -- unthinkable in their own eyes, then destiny is not manifested in reality. if their evil plots come to fruition, the ends justify the means. no matter how twisted. or who the deal is done with - even the named enemy.
Danzo used any and all resources within his grasp to collect and consolidate power. He played/corrupted Orochimaru until the 3rd found out about their secret lab -- maybe even remained connected and used him much afterward. Up to and including the deal with Akatsuki and the sand to attack the 3rd at the chunin exam. Orochimaru was Danzo's 'pipeline' to Akatsuki.
Bodies went missing in the period before Orochimaru was found out. Some of these bodies could have been Uchiha. Thus beginning the implantation of sharingan in Danzo's eyes.
Danzo and his ilk see his/their lack of control as the real enemy to konoha. Be that threat from within or without its borders. He sees the softness and humanity of the 2nd 3rd and 4th's leadership as dangerous. And has always, through absolute control of a large organ of secret operatives, root-anbu, disregarded their teachings.
Danzo was present when Hanzo fought the group led by the Rinnegan user Nagato. Why? to gain advantage via information and assess threats. this type of power seeks to play both sides. controlling all outcomes if possible.
Danzo could have been even behind the attack on Konoha 16 years ago with the Kyubi. A black-flag operation. To show his way is right, take power from the 4th. This could have been accomplished after his attainment of sharingan or in cooperation with Madara.
Danzo corrupted, or attempted to corrupt Itachi. He convinced him Uchiha was a threat to the peace they 'both' longed for. In reality, Danzo was eliminating an internal threat and consolidating power. Quite literally, within his own body. The night Itachi and Shisui were not at the Uchiha secret meeting, the night that Itachi allegedly killed Shisui and obtained the MS. Was, imo arranged by Danzo to obtain Shisui's legendary body flicker technique we see now on display against Sasuke. That Danzo has seen Ametarasu could mean that he and Itachi fought to a stalemate after Itachi realized he had been tricked, yet Danzo feared the rematch enough to be intimidated by Itachi with regards to leaving Sasuke alone.
A deal with Madara was also likely, as the two tried to play each other to attain their respective goals. Itachi was the pawn caught in the middle. With both choices unthinkable, having to go with the lesser of 2 evils. Itachi was smarter than the 2 assumed and acted as a wedge that kept the peace. He did the unthinkable twice. Committed a genocide of his own kind and joined an organization which had goals embodying antithesis of his ideals. All the while protecting the one precious thing. The future (of Sasuke AND Konoha). A short term sacrifice to stave off apocalypse then and in the future (now). A true hero.
I believe Itachi has 2 more cards to play after this. Help Sasuke in some way against Madara. And help Naruto to break Sasuke's cycle of hatred. Ultimately saving Konoha and his little brother.
Danzo has always seen his lack of control of any situation as a threat to konoha.
In his own twisted way, danzo is loyal to konoha. but only his version of konoha.
Those who assume power, often those who stand behind in the shadows of those puppets we think have power. they act on a belief of manifest destiny. might makes right. if they were not right -- unthinkable in their own eyes, then destiny is not manifested in reality. if their evil plots come to fruition, the ends justify the means. no matter how twisted. or who the deal is done with - even the named enemy.
Danzo used any and all resources within his grasp to collect and consolidate power. He played/corrupted Orochimaru until the 3rd found out about their secret lab -- maybe even remained connected and used him much afterward. Up to and including the deal with Akatsuki and the sand to attack the 3rd at the chunin exam. Orochimaru was Danzo's 'pipeline' to Akatsuki.
Bodies went missing in the period before Orochimaru was found out. Some of these bodies could have been Uchiha. Thus beginning the implantation of sharingan in Danzo's eyes.
Danzo and his ilk see his/their lack of control as the real enemy to konoha. Be that threat from within or without its borders. He sees the softness and humanity of the 2nd 3rd and 4th's leadership as dangerous. And has always, through absolute control of a large organ of secret operatives, root-anbu, disregarded their teachings.
Danzo was present when Hanzo fought the group led by the Rinnegan user Nagato. Why? to gain advantage via information and assess threats. this type of power seeks to play both sides. controlling all outcomes if possible.
Danzo could have been even behind the attack on Konoha 16 years ago with the Kyubi. A black-flag operation. To show his way is right, take power from the 4th. This could have been accomplished after his attainment of sharingan or in cooperation with Madara.
Danzo corrupted, or attempted to corrupt Itachi. He convinced him Uchiha was a threat to the peace they 'both' longed for. In reality, Danzo was eliminating an internal threat and consolidating power. Quite literally, within his own body. The night Itachi and Shisui were not at the Uchiha secret meeting, the night that Itachi allegedly killed Shisui and obtained the MS. Was, imo arranged by Danzo to obtain Shisui's legendary body flicker technique we see now on display against Sasuke. That Danzo has seen Ametarasu could mean that he and Itachi fought to a stalemate after Itachi realized he had been tricked, yet Danzo feared the rematch enough to be intimidated by Itachi with regards to leaving Sasuke alone.
A deal with Madara was also likely, as the two tried to play each other to attain their respective goals. Itachi was the pawn caught in the middle. With both choices unthinkable, having to go with the lesser of 2 evils. Itachi was smarter than the 2 assumed and acted as a wedge that kept the peace. He did the unthinkable twice. Committed a genocide of his own kind and joined an organization which had goals embodying antithesis of his ideals. All the while protecting the one precious thing. The future (of Sasuke AND Konoha). A short term sacrifice to stave off apocalypse then and in the future (now). A true hero.
I believe Itachi has 2 more cards to play after this. Help Sasuke in some way against Madara. And help Naruto to break Sasuke's cycle of hatred. Ultimately saving Konoha and his little brother.
WOW, wow, wow, wow, wow
This is some serious deep shit man
First i thought that it was some kind of confirmed spoilers you were posting, but then i realised that it was... well... what it was. And its awsome man, i like itDid you come up with this yourself or...?
I was under the impression that Nagato wasnt born with the rinnengan, because the rinnegan was a special case and only appeared in time of war and in balance because of this it was awakend by nagato but aswell could have been anyone. i remember this being said by Jariya when he was on his search for the destined child.
smokasushibushi
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Yes, just my thoughts on the overall arc of the Naruto Story so far. Specifically the last few chapters which are really bringing the overall story arc to an impressively cohesive work. Bringing all the threads together.
I love Naruto and have been a fan since 2005 or so. Started watching the subbed Anime and it grew on me. I liked the spirit of the Naruto character and his goofy never-give-up attitude. His will. I also identify with most of the major characters. Even Sasuke. But after I couldn't get enough anime I started reading the manga and started to see what a genius Kishi is.
It works on so many levels. Its fun. Its deep. Its about trying in a world conditioned to accept mediocrity, dare I say enslavement.
Just my 2 cents. (or 50 ?re)
Yes, just my thoughts on the overall arc of the Naruto Story so far. Specifically the last few chapters which are really bringing the overall story arc to an impressively cohesive work. Bringing all the threads together.
I love Naruto and have been a fan since 2005 or so. Started watching the subbed Anime and it grew on me. I liked the spirit of the Naruto character and his goofy never-give-up attitude. His will. I also identify with most of the major characters. Even Sasuke. But after I couldn't get enough anime I started reading the manga and started to see what a genius Kishi is.
It works on so many levels. Its fun. Its deep. Its about trying in a world conditioned to accept mediocrity, dare I say enslavement.
Just my 2 cents. (or 50 ?re)
I just think it would be cool if naruto could master all elements
Like he has the true body of the sage of the 6 paths, but i doubt he will ever do that for the reason hes already to powerful:
1. he is a sage
2. he has mass amounts of chakra
3. he has the kyuubi
4. hes ressengan
5. his quick healing abilities
I just think i when you combine all these things you make one of the most powerful shanobi around
Like he has the true body of the sage of the 6 paths, but i doubt he will ever do that for the reason hes already to powerful:
1. he is a sage
2. he has mass amounts of chakra
3. he has the kyuubi
4. hes ressengan
5. his quick healing abilities
I just think i when you combine all these things you make one of the most powerful shanobi around
Whiteknight
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I've seen other people mention things like this in the past, so this isn't an original option: But, what if Tobi is Obito? Madara, old and beaten in battle learns a jutsu to transfer bodies, similar to Orochimaru's. Maybe Madara is possessing the dead body of Obito in the same way that Pain could possess and control dead bodies. And then the corpse of Obito gets Madara's eyes in the same way Pain's bodies got his Rinnegan.
- Obito gave his left eye. Madara is only ever shown with his right
- Kakashi has Mangekyo, with no apparent explanation for where it came from. If Madara possessed Obito and there was a link between the eyes, Kakashi could have gotten Madara's mangekyo upgrade
- Kakashi has Kamui, a jutsu that not even Itachi or now Sasuke seem to have. This is similar to the strange space/time jutsus that Madara is seen to use. Kakashi could have gotten Madara's "unique ocular jutsu" when Obito got Madara's eyes.
- Madara was still alive somehow AFTER Obito died, which was still a long time after the battle of the end
- That in a posession, Obito's body (corpse?) would have gotten Madara's Mangekyo and all abilities
- That the sharingan that Kakashi owns would have kept some kind of link to Obito's body.
Im going to say the same thing i always do about obito is madara, obitos body was crushed to bits, why would madara want that body?
Obito was introduced to show where kakashi got the sharringan
Whiteknight
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True, but Naruto has plenty of disadvantages too:I just think it would be cool if naruto could master all elements
Like he has the true body of the sage of the 6 paths, but i doubt he will ever do that for the reason hes already to powerful:
1. he is a sage
2. he has mass amounts of chakra
3. he has the kyuubi
4. hes ressengan
5. his quick healing abilities
I just think i when you combine all these things you make one of the most powerful shanobi around
1) The Kyuubi is more harm than good. He can't unleash more than one tail without losing control completely. Without intelligence or training, he is no match against smart opponents. Remember the 4-tail battle on the bridge with Orochimaru: Naruto in that form had more chakra but was still not winning the battle
2) His sage mode is inferior. He can't merge with the frogs, so his sage mode is limited in time. An opponent with good stamina can outlast him. Maybe he can learn, through sheer determination, how to absorb natural chakra while running, however.
3) His Rasengan is clumsy: He still needs clones to help build the Rasen Shuruken, for instance. In fact, the only time we've really seen him build a Rasengan without a clone to help is either in Sage mode or 1-tail fox mode.
4) He's physically slower than many opponents, and is never shown to be as intelligent as many of them. He also hasn't mastered too many jutsus: Only shadow clone, transform, and Rasengan. He's never shown to be good with anything else. He's also never shown to use a weapon, and only appears to have one jutsu with elemental abilities. He has no genjutsu. His Taijutsu is better now that he has the frog katas, but no idea how it compares to Sasuke for instance.
5) His quick healing abilities might decrease his lifespan.
In a fight right now between Naruto and Sasuke, I think Sasuke would win.
In a fight right now versus Tobi/Madara, I think Madara would win.
Of course, we don't know what kind of gift Itachi gave Naruto, so that may change things.
twistedlink
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Right, agreed, however lets face it, almost every generation of human life in one country or another has seen or is seeing war.
I cant think of a time on our planet since civilization began where a generation hasnt seen some form of war.
Therefore the rinnegan is simply a rare genetic trait from SO6P and it pops up every now and then, and coincidentally (not really, as explained above) there was a war for him to fix, or to fall into darkness and ruin everything.
Tobi is relatively suspicious and may be lying indeed, however I don't see how tobi could get any leverage out of Kakashi/Yamato/Naruto by telling a lie about sage of 6 paths history and there were two sons...unless someone wants to theorise something?
If Naruto gets rinnegan I wouldn't be surprised, but by the same token, if he doesnt get rinnegan-I wouldn't be surprised.
1. the kyuubi is a great asset thats kept naruto alive and kept up his healing abilities!
2. hes only has minimum sage mode training and for the training hes had he is awsome, look how he managed to beat the great pain who destroyed the who village with one attack...
3. As for rassengan hes developed it to a whole new level and if he needs clones to do it it doesnt make it clumsy just its his own way to do it, each to there own, konahamru needs a clone 2, its and s-rank jutsu only 2 have mastered!
4. Very very very wrong my friend, he has his summonings and does summoning combo jutsus. If you remember when he turned up to fight kakuzu he showed how awsome he had become, firstly he used his clones to analise his opponent then to trick him to use his best attack, that was very smart... Also if it wasnt for naruto being able to forgive pain half the village would be dead...
5. lol theres no such thing as lifespan i naruto
6. naruto vs sasuke... i cannot say, sage eyes vs sharingan... hmmm would be epic though
Madara cant really fight at the moment i think so wouldnt be able say on that one
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