[VS] 3rd raikage vs Minato

[Icelerate]

I donʻt really disagree with any of this, although thereʻs one point that Iʻd like to note. Sure, Sandaime raikageʻs body defenses > Sandaime raikageʻs RnY defenses, however weʻve seen from Sasuke vs V1 Ei that the RnY significantly decreased the power of his chidori. Had Ei not had his RnY up, he probably would have died, especially when he commends sasuke on merely being able to touch him through his raiton shield. Now if we go to Sandaime raikage whoʻs RnY is probably on an even higher level of his sonʻs considering who he is and how heʻs able to pump so much chakra into it that he can use his nukite, KCM FRS has to get through th shield first before it even begins to damage sandaime. That means its power is going to be significantly decreased before it hits him, and since sandaime raikageʻs body is even more durable than his shroud, his body hardly takes any damage from the tech.

Chidori and raiton armour are of the same chakra nature so that means chidori will have to exert a certain amount of energy to penetrate through it. On the other hand, FRS will have to exert about half the energy that chidori will have to because of the advantage of elemental nature that FRS has over raiton. While chidori's power was significantly reduced by raiton armour, I don't think FRS' power was reduced that much although it was still reduced nonetheless. Assuming V1 Ay and Sandaime Raikage's raiton armour is equal, it would have a much bigger impact on Ay because his body's natural durability is a lot worse than his father's. I disagree with Sandaime Raikage's raiton cloak being more durable than Ay's raiton cloak and don't find a basis unless 3rd Raikage's raiton armour emits more chakra than his son's but that notion seems contradictory as Ay's shown he can amp up his raiton armour to a whole other level compared to his son.

Anyway I do agree that raiton armour is a great defence regardless if it isn't nearly as durable as his body. This is because raiton armour can be generated even if it gets destroyed but 3rd Raikage's body ends up taking permanent damage.

Narutoʻs BM FRS doesnʻt even have to be stronger than Beeʻs normal TBB or those giant wind styles in order to cut through the tails. All it has to be is more penetrative than them, and thatʻs pretty much what we see happen since naruto is at the tip of the bird, and still is at the tip of the bird when the tails are cut. Unlike how naruto usually uses the FRS where he throws it at the target and lets it blow up, this time he held it and kept it small/compact which focused its power on a much smaller AoE allowing it to cut things that those giant slicer fuutons and bijuudama werenʻt able to get through. So his FRS had to have had enough penetrating power to go right through the juubiʻs tail. Thatʻs also why itʻs not the same as temariʻs fuuton.

Also, think about what youʻve just said. If Narutoʻs BM chakra boosted the powers of the shinobi allianceʻs attacks so much, then why wouldnʻt it also boost the power of Narutoʻs own FRS just as much?


okay trillions then...

I'll concede but then the Juubi's tail won't get cut in half because FRS won't cover enough area to do so. Also Temari's shown she can increase AoE or decrease AoE depending on the function of the attack. I could go in detail but this is not the right thread to do so and holds no relevance to the discussion at hand. If Naruto had used FRS like he did against the Juubi's tail against 3rd Raikage, I have a feeling Sandaime would have suffered a much deeper cut through his midsection than what the Wind Cast Net did, with the possibility of bisection in half, regardless of raiton armour.

 

[Draegod]

DO any of you know the amount of chakra it would take to call 2 Sage summons? It took Jman a shit load of time and he literally had to focus to muster up the chakra to summon them, then have them make/keep him in sage mode (And Jman base chakra is high as shit keep in mind). Naruto even with the Kyubi Chakra (pre Kurama control) could only summon Bunta max (one boss summon at a time) shown. What Makes any of you think Minato could Summon 2 Sages and still have chakra to spam everything like nothing happened?

And Beating an FTG user isn't hard once you keep track of where the markers/kunais are (and are able to deal with them with something like speed). Since it is a fact they cannot use it in repetition after another instantly.

Then with Frog song; Lets say it some how goes off. Then what? Those stone swords would never ever ever harm his body! Minato still doesn't have a jutsu (the sages either) to hard his body even when unconscious really. lol

 

[LuckyMan]

DO any of you know the amount of chakra it would take to call 2 Sage summons? It took Jman a shit load of time and he literally had to focus to muster up the chakra to summon them, then have them make/keep him in sage mode (And Jman base chakra is high as shit keep in mind). Naruto even with the Kyubi Chakra (pre Kurama control) could only summon Bunta max (one boss summon at a time) shown. What Makes any of you think Minato could Summon 2 Sages and still have chakra to spam everything like nothing happened?

Minato is not Jman though. His chakra reserves are superior in base and his chakra control is superior period. Hypothetically, lets say he did need time to summon them, Sandaime Raikage can't touch him so it makes no difference.

And Beating an FTG user isn't hard once you keep track of where the markers/kunais are (and are able to deal with them with something like speed). Since it is a fact they cannot use it in repetition after another instantly.

They can't use it insantly, but its so fast that its hard to tell the difference. Instant is the teleportation of the technique, meaning no time passes when he moves from point A to point B. Once he gets to point B, he reactivates it, (which takes about 1-2 second) then instantly jumps again so yes, there is about an 1-2 second lag time in-between his jumps but that time frame is so minimal that its not even a weakness to the technique. Ay saying he would quickly shunshin to Minato's next kunai he jumped to does not mean he would have actually landed an attack on Minato either and everything we saw in that fight pretty much showed his plan would have failed anyway.

Then with Frog song; Lets say it some how goes off. Then what? Those stone swords would never ever ever harm his body! Minato still doesn't have a jutsu (the sages either) to hard his body even when unconscious really. lol

Sandaime Raikage is weak to long range wind style techniques according to Dodai. Pa has long range senjutsu enhanced

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that will rip through him easier than Temari and those 2 fodders wind attack did.

 

[Draegod]

Minato is not Jman though. His chakra reserves are superior in base and his chakra control is superior period. Hypothetically, lets say he did need time to summon them, Sandaime Raikage can't touch him so it makes no difference.

They can't use it insantly, but its so fast that its hard to tell the difference. Instant is the teleportation of the technique, meaning no time passes when he moves from point A to point B. Once he gets to point B, he reactivates it, (which takes about 1-2 second) then instantly jumps again so yes, there is about an 1-2 second lag time in-between his jumps but that time frame is so minimal that its not even a weakness to the technique. Ay saying he would quickly shunshin to Minato's next kunai he jumped to does not mean he would have actually landed an attack on Minato either and everything we saw in that fight pretty much showed his plan would have failed anyway.



Sandaime Raikage is weak to long range wind style techniques according to Dodai. Pa has long range senjutsu enhanced

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that will rip through him easier than Temari and those 2 fodders wind attack did.

1. Minato does not have more chakra then Jman.lol Jman's Chakra was comparable to Naruto with the 16+ years worth of Kyubi chakra fused with his. Jman could Spam Summons in base like it was childs play, let alone a boss summon. Even when he couldn't even control his chakra or move correctly he summon Bunta on his worst day and could still go on like it was nothing. Minato alive has not shown anything to state he was even close to Jman on his worst day!

2. That 1-2 second lag time is all that is needed for them to slip! 3rd can keep moving to every kunai non stop till he eventually hits Minato. Minato while using FTG cannot concentrate for sage summon of the two sages (since FTG requires chakra, and thus results in the reset of gathering chackra for such a massive summon). So minato either 1) Keep running (not ftg'ing) and gather chakra 2) DO what Jman did and have others stall for him while he focus or 3) FTG and not focus for the 2 sage summons! That is his only true options.

2.5. The only reason Aye didn't attack Minato after he easily figured out FTG was because of the marking on Bee (he didn't know he could mark things and FTG) and Even Bee predicted Minato and was able to set up a counter attack. So no; the reason why that plan didn't happen was because Of the bee situation, not because it wouldn't work.

3. If the best Kyubi power wind attack shown couldn't put him down, what makes you think a lesser (far far far lesser) attack would even make him flinch???? Then the notion the attack would some how catch him is even more amusing. Please elaborate on why you think this please.

 

[Icelerate]

Hold on a second Draegod, I remember you once making a

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thread where you said it wouldn't take very long for Jman to get into sage mode but Minato will have problems replicating this feat of summoning Ma and Pa? I guess Jman and Minato are different as are Itachi and 3rd Raikage but FTG allows Minato to survive long enough.

I'd give this to Minato high difficulty. He has to use unconventional ways of winning this fight.

 

[Draegod]

Hold on a second Draegod, I remember you once making a

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thread where you said it wouldn't take very long for Jman to get into sage mode but Minato will have problems replicating this feat of summoning Ma and Pa.

Again Jman>>>>Minato in chakra!

In order for Jman to summon or concentrate he had to not do anything with chakra but mold (a min or so). Minato (according to some) will be safe by simply using FTG to evade untill they are summoned. But that is impossible since one has to mold to summon the 2 sages, and FTG uses chakra thus breaks the mold and resets it every time.

PPL think Minato>>Jman means Minato>>>Jman in everything. Wrong! Jman has actually trained and knows the in's and outs of sage mode and the 2 sage toads.

 

[LuckyMan]

1. Minato does not have more chakra then Jman.lol Jman's Chakra was comparable to Naruto with the 16+ years worth of Kyubi chakra fused with his. Jman could Spam Summons in base like it was childs play, let alone a boss summon. Even when he couldn't even control his chakra or move correctly he summon Bunta on his worst day and could still go on like it was nothing. Minato alive has not shown anything to state he was even close to Jman on his worst day!

He teleported Max Jubi Dama in base which is virtually the size of the Juubi itself. That eclipses anything Jman has ever done in base in my opinion. Here are Bee's Bijuu Dama compared to Max Jubi Dama. The tiny specs you see bouncing off the Juubi Dama (look closely and I caught a little bit of Bee shooting at the end) are Bee's.

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2. That 1-2 second lag time is all that is needed for them to slip! 3rd can keep moving to every kunai non stop till he eventually hits Minato. Minato while using FTG cannot concentrate for sage summon of the two sages (since FTG requires chakra, and thus results in the reset of gathering chackra for such a massive summon). So minato either 1) Keep running (not ftg'ing) and gather chakra 2) DO what Jman did and have others stall for him while he focus or 3) FTG and not focus for the 2 sage summons! That is his only true options.

There is no continuous shunshin so I assume you are talking about Sandaime's basic foot speed which is not enough to pressure Minato. Also Minato spreads his kunai out all the time. He can also mark any physical surface with his bare hand instantly rendering that strategy of memorizing kunai locations useless.

2.5. The only reason Aye didn't attack Minato after he easily figured out FTG was because of the marking on Bee (he didn't know he could mark things and FTG) and Even Bee predicted Minato and was able to set up a counter attack. So no; the reason why that plan didn't happen was because Of the bee situation, not because it wouldn't work.

Minato had time to toss his kunai up and prep his counter attack against Ay when he first V2 blitz him and still evaded him and came back while he was in the same place. Had he not wanted to counter attack he could have evaded Ay before he got that close to him. If Minato would have jumped to another spot and Ay came at him, the time it took him to toss his kunai the first time would just become the time it takes him to reactivate FTG and evade him once more. What I'm trying to say is Minato had a second to toss his kunai up before Ay hit him so he would have that same second to just jump again, thus Ay's plan would have been a failure altogether.

3. If the best Kyubi power wind attack shown couldn't put him down, what makes you think a lesser (far far far lesser) attack would even make him flinch???? Then the notion the attack would some how catch him is even more amusing. Please elaborate on why you think this please.

His body was already ripped to pieces from Temari and 2 fodders Wind Style with no armor on. If caught in Frog Sound his armor would wear off and he would be vulnerable to Pa's Wind Style. Ma also has acid so when under Frog Sound she can hit him with a wave of that too and he would be killed.

 

[lanakui8]

Minato doesnʻt have to have anywhere near the reserves of Jman in order to summon ma and pa.

Ma toad easily summoned pa, naruto and the three boss toads. Pretty sure minato is better at summoning than her.
Sasuke with almost zero chakra summoned Manda and genjutsuʻd it.
Summoning isnʻt just about chakra reserves, itʻs about skill. Naruto didnʻt have much skill back in part 1 which is why he needed kn0 to summon bunta.

Finally, Minato doesnʻt even need to summon ma and pa to get them. All he has to do is summon a boss toad, make the toad swallow a kagebunshin and desummon the toad. From there, Minatoʻs bunshin gets ma and pa and teleports them to the battlefield with FTG.


Third raikage gets destroyed. Frog song shuts down the raikage and his RnY. Heʻs far less durable without it, and a senpou rasengan coming from minato to Sandaimeʻs head will do massive damage if not defeat him.

 

[Draegod]

He teleported Max Jubi Dama in base which is virtually the size of the Juubi itself. That eclipses anything Jman has ever done in base in my opinion. Here are Bee's Bijuu Dama compared to Max Jubi Dama. The tiny specs you see bouncing off the Juubi Dama (look closely and I caught a little bit of Bee shooting at the end) are Bee's.

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There is no continuous shunshin so I assume you are talking about Sandaime's basic foot speed which is not enough to pressure Minato. Also Minato spreads his kunai out all the time. He can also mark any physical surface with his bare hand instantly rendering that strategy of memorizing kunai locations useless.

Minato had time to toss his kunai up and prep his counter attack against Ay when he first V2 blitz him and still evaded him and came back while he was in the same place. Had he not wanted to counter attack he could have evaded Ay before he got that close to him. If Minato would have jumped to another spot and Ay came at him, the time it took him to toss his kunai the first time would just become the time it takes him to reactivate FTG and evade him once more. What I'm trying to say is Minato had a second to toss his kunai up before Ay hit him so he would have that same second to just jump again, thus Ay's plan would have been a failure altogether.

His body was already ripped to pieces from Temari and 2 fodders Wind Style with no armor on. If caught in Frog Sound his armor would wear off and he would be vulnerable to Pa's Wind Style. Ma also has acid so when under Frog Sound she can hit him with a wave of that too and he would be killed.

1. **Edo minato with the Kyubi inside of him off panel teleported the Juubidama is what you meant to say right? And you seen the part where i stated "Alive minato" right?... Next point.

2. Lighting Release Body Flicker allows them to "continues" shunshin like shown

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when he shunshin to Muu, hit him, then instantly Shunshin again no diff (and onoki has nothing to do with his ability to keep the Raiton Bodyflicker going, he only made him lighter thus faster). The thing that stops an infinite Body flicker (that's what I assume you are talking about) is chakra, vision, mental reaction and thoughts. With that being said what Stops him from gathering all the kunais and Crushing them into one big ball (so only one lump of metal to ftg to)? And if he marks the ground he could simply scoop ou the marked part and move it to where he pleases aswell etc ec. You get my drift. My point is every time he attempts any of that he has to refocus and try to summon The sages while the 3rd can keep attacking and doing what I stated. (hypothetically ofc)


3. Minato and Aye talked then minato set up before the fight even started. In a real fight... You think the 3rd will just sit there and

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? And you're assuming Aye (after seeing how FTG works) was going to allow that kunai counter attacking to work. Or maybe Aye knew that minato kunai strike wasn't going to do anything (minato at the time didn't know the durability issue).

You also Forget the Raiton Shunshin armor has the ability to paralyze if the User chooses. With that being said, if minato decides to land or even touch him he would get shocked and sent into a paralyses state.

4. Temari has A1 wind Techs and she had help like you said, plus her attack is more of a slicing penetrating attack. What they shown was a simply gust being blown. So all that gust would do is blow his body from near them being realistic. The 3rds Def is simply being underrated with or with out the armor.lol

 

[Draegod]

Minato doesnʻt have to have anywhere near the reserves of Jman in order to summon ma and pa.

Ma toad easily summoned pa, naruto and the three boss toads. Pretty sure minato is better at summoning than her.
Sasuke with almost zero chakra summoned Manda and genjutsuʻd it.
Summoning isnʻt just about chakra reserves, itʻs about skill. Naruto didnʻt have much skill back in part 1 which is why he needed kn0 to summon bunta.

Finally, Minato doesnʻt even need to summon ma and pa to get them. All he has to do is summon a boss toad, make the toad swallow a kagebunshin and desummon the toad. From there, Minatoʻs bunshin gets ma and pa and teleports them to the battlefield with FTG.


Third raikage gets destroyed. Frog song shuts down the raikage and his RnY. Heʻs far less durable without it, and a senpou rasengan coming from minato to Sandaimeʻs head will do massive damage if not defeat him.

Better summoner?...
You then state Naruto sucked at Summoning but with the Kyubi CHAKRA he some how gained years of experience and did not "suck at summoning" to summon Bunta?.... Did you read what you wrote?..........

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Even though Jman/Kishi clearly states Chakra is related to summoning... Plus the fact Summoning is still a form of Ninjutsu AKA NEEDS CHAKRA! But ima just post this page just incase others doubt aswell:

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Bro do i need to keep going about how chakra affects who you summon?

 

[Icelerate]

Third raikage gets destroyed. Frog song shuts down the raikage and his RnY. Heʻs far less durable without it, and a senpou rasengan coming from minato to Sandaimeʻs head will do massive damage if not defeat him.

Less durable yes, but not far less durable. A senpou rasengan's destructive capability isn't all that strong (

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). It is tiers weaker than Chou Oodama Rasengan which is tiers weaker than FRS. A

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did less damage to Kyuubi

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did so I'm surprised you think a small senpou rasengan is going to do any damage to Sandaime Raikage even in base. I already proved that majority of Sandaime's durability comes from his body and you pretty much conceded.

 

[Hyphen]

It's not.

But Raikage isn't touching Minato. So that's irrelevant.

It's relevant because Raikage could blitz the frogs.

 

[lanakui8]

Less durable yes, but not far less durable. A senpou rasengan's destructive capability isn't all that strong (

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). It is tiers weaker than Chou Oodama Rasengan which is tiers weaker than FRS. A

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did less damage to Kyuubi

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did so I'm surprised you think a small senpou rasengan is going to do any damage to Sandaime Raikage even in base. I already proved that majority of Sandaime's durability comes from his body and you pretty much conceded.

No heʻs far less durable considering what temariʻs combined fuuton did to him, and how her reactions indicate FRS is on a whole different level of power compared to what theyʻve been hitting him with.

I conceded that the majority of his durability comes from his body in that his body is more durable than his shroud, but that doesnʻt mean sandaime raikageʻs shroud doesnʻt greatly decrease the power of an attack before it hits him.

A senpou rasengan is far stronger than kakashiʻs raikiri (proven by asura surviving raikiri + giant punch + shinra tensei + raikiri clone while it gets oneshot by rasengan),

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Narutoʻs senpou rasengan also showed that it was capable of slightly damaging sandaime raikageʻs arm through his shroud, shown by

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A minato-sized SM rasengan right to an uncloaked Sandaimeʻs face will beat him.

 

[Icelerate]

No heʻs far less durable considering what temariʻs combined fuuton did to him, and how her reactions indicate FRS is on a whole different level of power compared to what theyʻve been hitting him with.

Wind Cast Net ended up inflicting shallow wounds where the 3rd Raikage was hit. FRS ended up leaving surface scratches and burns all over his body. Sure those shallow lines that Wind Cast Net inflicted were deeper than the surface scratches than FRS inflicted but judging by the fact 3rd Raikage was still standing after getting hit by Wind Cast Net VS getting knocked down against FRS indicate that despite lightning armour, FRS ended up doing even more damage than Wind Cast Net because FRS' explosion ended up hitting even 3rd Raikage's back and the entire single surface area of the 3rd Raikage's body. Without lightning armour, FRS would have done even more damage and the surface scratches and burns would be more severe while the wounds inflicted by Wind Cast Net would still be there but less deep. IMO, raiton armour accounts for 20% of the 3rd Raikage's durability while 80% of it is his own body. On the other hand, Ay's durability is 50% raiton armour and 50% his own skin IMO. I want to see what your opinion is on this. Bare in mind Mabui said that Ay would not have survived her transportation technique but he did without any scratches despite the fact he didn't even bother putting raiton armour on. Why didn't he put raiton armour on if there was an uncertainty of making it out?

Speaking of Temari's reaction, she felt the 3rd Raikage could finally be sealed away despite the fact he couldn't be when he got hit by Wind Cast Net so it means FRS did more damage if we take Temari's statements to be manga fact.

Temari felt the FRS was on a whole other level of power after it had exploded. That explosion contained a lot more energy than any wind technique Temari had ever seen/used before but that doesn't mean that the narrow wind currents within Wind Cast Net didn't possess more damage per unit area.

Tenpenchi is also on a whole other level of power than Kirin yet Kirin did a lot more damage to susanoo than Tenpenchi. My Tenpenchi VS Kirin example is very extreme but it shows spread out attacks tend to yield weaker results when up against powerful defences.

I conceded that the majority of his durability comes from his body in that his body is more durable than his shroud, but that doesnʻt mean sandaime raikageʻs shroud doesnʻt greatly decrease the power of an attack before it hits him.

Sandaime's shroud does decrease the power of an attack but not greatly. Against fuuton, the amount of power the attack reduces it by is even less than against most other attacks due to elemental advantage. May I ask you to give me a percentage so that I can compare with mine.

A senpou rasengan is far stronger than kakashiʻs raikiri (proven by asura surviving raikiri + giant punch + shinra tensei + raikiri clone while it gets oneshot by rasengan),

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Narutoʻs senpou rasengan also showed that it was capable of slightly damaging sandaime raikageʻs arm through his shroud, shown by

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I'm not aware of these scans of Asura path's durability feats so I can't comment on Senpou rasengan's destructive capability but a much stronger version of the rasengan didn't do enough damage to put down Sandaime Raikage with raiton armour and if the majority of his durability comes from his body, an attack far weaker isn't going to cut the slack.

A minato-sized SM rasengan right to an uncloaked Sandaimeʻs face will beat him.

Do realize that even if you manage to breach 3rd Raikage's skin, his blood is implied to be very durable as well through the simile blood like iron. Now think about the fact he also has bones and it is a fact that bones are more durable than skin so the chances of SM rasengan breaching through not only his skin but his skull, muscles and blood all the way to his brain is farfetched. Maybe he can take him down via internal damage and concussion but my point is Sandaime's body will still be very much intact.

 

[lanakui8]

Wind Cast Net ended up inflicting shallow wounds where the 3rd Raikage was hit. FRS ended up leaving surface scratches and burns all over his body. Sure those shallow lines that Wind Cast Net inflicted were deeper than the surface scratches than FRS inflicted but judging by the fact 3rd Raikage was still standing after getting hit by Wind Cast Net VS getting knocked down against FRS indicate that despite lightning armour, FRS ended up doing even more damage than Wind Cast Net because FRS' explosion ended up hitting even 3rd Raikage's back and the entire single surface area of the 3rd Raikage's body. Without lightning armour, FRS would have done even more damage and the surface scratches and burns would be more severe while the wounds inflicted by Wind Cast Net would still be there but less deep. IMO, raiton armour accounts for 20% of the 3rd Raikage's durability while 80% of it is his own body. On the other hand, Ay's durability is 50% raiton armour and 50% his own skin IMO. I want to see what your opinion is on this. Bare in mind Mabui said that Ay would not have survived her transportation technique but he did without any scratches despite the fact he didn't even bother putting raiton armour on. Why didn't he put raiton armour on if there was an uncertainty of making it out?

I donʻt really agree with your general take on RnY and sandaime raikageʻs durability. Instead of 20% and 80%, itʻs more accurate to say that RnY reduces an attacks power by X amount, and then sandaime raikage takes X amount of damage since RnY is a defensive layer.
So it doesnʻt make his body more durable, it weakens the attacks before it hits his body. Also, I wouldnʻt even say 20/80 and 50/50, Iʻd argue 30/70 and 70/30. 30/70 based on the cast net being much inferior to FRS and 70/30 because Ei w/o RnY could slice his own arm off like butter, while his RnY could deflect raiton kusanagi which in turn is sharp enough that it cuts through solid steel.

Speaking of Temari's reaction, she felt the 3rd Raikage could finally be sealed away despite the fact he couldn't be when he got hit by Wind Cast Net so it means FRS did more damage if we take Temari's statements to be manga fact.

Maybe FRS did more damage maybe it didnʻt. Visually it definitely didnʻt, perhaps sandaime was suffering from internal damage to his cells. Anyways temariʻs reactions were probably based on how much stronger narutoʻs fuuton was compared to anything theyʻve thrown at him prior.

Temari felt the FRS was on a whole other level of power after it had exploded. That explosion contained a lot more energy than any wind technique Temari had ever seen/used before but that doesn't mean that the narrow wind currents within Wind Cast Net didn't possess more damage per unit area.

Since the context of her statement was about he fuuton damaging sandaime raikage, then it had to have been on a totally different level of power in damaging sandaime raikage.

Tenpenchi is also on a whole other level of power than Kirin yet Kirin did a lot more damage to susanoo than Tenpenchi. My Tenpenchi VS Kirin example is very extreme but it shows spread out attacks tend to yield weaker results when up against powerful defences.

sure, but FRS isnʻt the same since temariʻs making her comparison within the context of damaging a singular target (sandaime raikage).

I'm not aware of these scans of Asura path's durability feats so I can't comment on Senpou rasengan's destructive capability but a much stronger version of the rasengan didn't do enough damage to put down Sandaime Raikage with raiton armour and if the majority of his durability comes from his body, an attack far weaker isn't going to cut the slack.

if youʻre not aware of them, look them up. Asura path took kakashiʻs raikiri bunshin then got squashed into the ground by chouzaʻs giant punch. Then it took kakashiʻs raikiri and a point blank shinra tensei from deva path. It still was alive and fired a missile at chouji before going down.

On the otherhand SM Naruto oneshots it with a single rasengan.

Do realize that even if you manage to breach 3rd Raikage's skin, his blood is implied to be very durable as well through the simile blood like iron. Now think about the fact he also has bones and it is a fact that bones are more durable than skin so the chances of SM rasengan breaching through not only his skin but his skull, muscles and blood all the way to his brain is farfetched. Maybe he can take him down via internal damage and concussion but my point is Sandaime's body will still be very much intact.

Weʻre talking about minato slamming one of his oversized senpou rasengans into and uncloaked sandaime raikageʻs face right?