[VS] 3rd raikage vs Minato

[KidGamer65]

Edited my post and See,My last statement.

I know you are stubborn as hell so I guess I should simply ignore you.

I'm not stubborn, its just people like you who continue to argue despite not making one bit of sense, and despite the manga proving them wrong. So you'd be the stubborn one.

Cast net did considerable damage to his body. Look at EDO tensei wrappers around his body in your own scan.

I can clearly see a big ass scare on his body in your next scan (bottom right panel) in which he was being regenarated and I don't get why you think it didn't damaged him. Only god can tell why your eyes can't see this.

Lol? Huge ass scar? That scar is shallow and long. Not deep at all. Long scars don't mean anything unless they are deep. Not to mention Temari says that they weren't even doing anything notable to him, so that alone renders your argument wrong.

Yes, only God can tell me why you can't read or look at pictures correctly.

 

[A v i]

I'm not stubborn, its just people like you who continue to argue despite not making one bit of sense, and despite the manga proving them wrong. So you'd be the stubborn one.

Ya that's why I am getting mad coz you don't agree with me and bashing you? Very nice.hmm

Tanking a stronger attack means you have more durability than someone who got hurt by the weaker attack. When you can prove that Chidori focuses more energy than FRS outputs altogether, then we can talk about his feat being invalid. Until then, I'd have to ask you to stop using this half assed logic. Chidori and Rasengan are equal in output, but Chidori focuses that output on one spot, thus it'd do more damage to Ay than Rasengan does. That is where your logic works. Your logic becomes utter garbage when we start talking about jutsu levels above Chidori. If I used this logic, we'd be saying shit like Ay can tank Bijuu Dama, and the third can tank Bijuu Dama because Chidori penetrates while Bijuu Dama doesn't, despite Bijuu Dama being leagues above Chidori when it comes to power.

This'll be my lat rep to u regarding this topic..
FRS is like using 1000's of needles to pierce someone where as Chidori is like using a knife to pierce someone so if you look at the amount of energy those attacks focuses at single point then Chidori uses more energy even if it is a weaker jutsu than FRS.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ya that's why I am getting mad coz you don't agree with me and bashing you? Very nice.hmm

I called you a tard because you are making trash arguments. Nothing more, nothing less.

This'll be my lat rep to u regarding this topic..
FRS is like using 1000's of needles to pierce someone where as Chidori is like using a knife to pierce someone so if you look at the amount of energy those attacks focuses at single point then Chidori uses more energy even if it is a weaker jutsu than FRS.

Once again, you aren't making any sense, whatsoever.

FRS cuts, pierces, and explodes. The whole of the jutsu obviously isn't just the wind needles, otherwise it wouldn't cut like I showed in the previous examples, and even if it was, there are thousands of those needles piercing the body all at the same time. No reason to believe Chidori is on its level.

And if Chidori used more energy, it'd be stronger, as the more energy a jutsu or any kind of attack has, the stronger it is. Chidori can't use more energy, but be weaker than FRS. FRS uses much much more energy than Chidori, thus its much much stronger.

 

[A v i]

I called you a tard because you are making trash arguments. Nothing more, nothing less.

You'll never change.hmm

Once again, you aren't making any sense, whatsoever.

FRS cuts, pierces, and explodes. The whole of the jutsu obviously isn't just the wind needles, otherwise it wouldn't cut like I showed in the previous examples, and even if it was, there are thousands of those needles piercing the body all at the same time. No reason to believe Chidori is on its level.

It dosen't matter if it has different kinds of attributes, FRS is below Chidori when it comes to piercing as itis focused at single point unlike FRS.

And if Chidori used more energy, it'd be stronger, as the more energy a jutsu or any kind of attack has, the stronger it is. Chidori can't use more energy, but be weaker than FRS. FRS uses much much more energy than Chidori, thus its much much stronger.

I said we need to look at the energy they focuses at single point not the jutsu as a whole. FRS uses needles and Chidori is like a knife. When it is true that FRS as a whole can do more damage. A needle can never have better piercing prowess than a knife.

Temari thought that multiple attacks can do the work which proves that that attack damaged him and single attack wasn't strong enough to totally KO him. Not to mention we are talking about an EDO tensei body which was being regenerated. Those wrappers argound his body proves that his body was damaged by that attack.

:bye:

 

[KidGamer65]

It dosen't matter if it has different kinds of attributes, FRS is below Chidori when it comes to piercing as it focused at single point unlike FRS.

Um, yes, it does. I've already replied to this a million times. FRS not piercing like Chidori does doesn't mean that it'll inflict less damage on every target they come across, because once again, that makes no sense.

-Is Naruto going to take more damage if Bijuu Dama hits him? Or if Chidori hits him?

-Is Ay going to take more damage if Chidori hits him? Or if Bijuu Dama hits him?

Lol, why don't you answer the question?

I said we need to look at the energy they focuses at single point not the jutsu as a whole. FRS uses needles and Chidori is like a knife. When it is true that FRS as a whole can do more damage. A needle can never have better piercing prowess than a knife.


:bye:

No, you look at the energy that Chidori focuses, and you look at FRS's overall energy. Penetration isn't the only way to breach armor, so saying that we only look at how much energy they focus onto one point, doesn't make any sense.

And lol. Your analogy is flawed simply because you compared 1 Knife to one needle when we are talking about thousands of needles and 1 Chidori.

 

[A v i]

No, you look at the energy that Chidori focuses, and you look at FRS's overall energy. Penetration isn't the only way to breach armor, so saying that we only look at how much energy they focus onto one point, doesn't make any sense.

And lol. Your analogy is flawed simply because you compared 1 Knife to one needle when we are talking about thousands of needles and 1 Chidori.

Yes,Penetration isn't the only way to breach an armor where as neither FRS nor Chidori uses other means to do so. FRS uses needles to pierce through the defence where as Chidori uses a shape which is similar to knife to pierce though the defence which si why I was focusing on single point.
Throw 10000 needles at a coconut, nothing would happen.But use a knife it'll pierce through it. I hope you got my point at least now.

 

[Team7Represent]

The outcome is clear, Minato!

 

[Conspirator.]

3rd Raikage beats alive Minato mid diff. He has no way of putting him down by feats. He get's outlasted. Btw, the tactic naruto used won't work on the 3rd, since he KNEW what happened with the Hachibi. There's ZERO reasons for him to use the one fingered nukite against a teleporter like Minato, when his 4 fingered nukite would kill him eventually.

 

[Popeyes]

Minato he knows sage mode.

 

[Team7Represent]

Me calling you a tard doesn't mean I'm mad, it means you are a tard. Lol.

Owned! LOL

 

[Ambivalence]

I seriously doubt alive Minato can take on the Raikage. First and foremost, he doesn't have the means to harm him. His SM is basically featless, as far as i remember it appeared for like a page and half, not to mention we've never seen Minato use it in his life, but of course, everyone's already acting like he's best friends with Ma&Pa and he's used them before. Him figuring out the Raikage can only harm himself is too much of a far cry, plus Raikage using a one-fingered nukite is an overkill. Endurance also goes to the Raikage, which should be obvious. Minato is faster, but that isn't enough to win him the fight.

At best, Minato draws with Shiki Fujin, if that can even catch him...

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Yes,Penetration isn't the only way to breach an armor where as neither FRS nor Chidori uses other means to do so. FRS uses needles to pierce through the defence where as Chidori uses a shape which is similar to knife to pierce though the defence which si why I was focusing on single point.
Throw 10000 needles at a coconut, nothing would happen.But use a knife it'll pierce through it. I hope you got my point at least now.

FRS is far more focused then Chidori, and is far more powerful, stop using such awful debating skills.
Also.

I called you a tard because you are making trash arguments. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm pretty ****ing sure Kidgamer owned you.

Minato wins this.

 

[Oblivionx]

Yes,Penetration isn't the only way to breach an armor where as neither FRS nor Chidori uses other means to do so. FRS uses needles to pierce through the defence where as Chidori uses a shape which is similar to knife to pierce though the defence which si why I was focusing on single point.
Throw 10000 needles at a coconut, nothing would happen.But use a knife it'll pierce through it. I hope you got my point at least now.

lol he's never going to understand bro... cause he doesn't want to... everyone knows FRS is stronger as an attack but chidori has more piercing power at a single point... the damage would have been greater with FRS if there wasn't a defensive armor and strong body... according to his logic FRS < hell stab... i desperately want to ask him this...
KIDGAMER do you agree that hell stab > FRS then as FRS failed while hell stab defeated 3rd...

 

[lanakui8]

minato wins via frog song, shiki fuujin or BFR.

Sandaime raikage with speed only comparable to that of V1 Ei is not hitting Minato when Minato can do stuff like blitz V2 Ei, and make 8th gated Gai look slow.

Minato playing on the pure defensive is pretty much impossible to hit unless you have a jutsu that can destroy all of his kunais or the battlefield.

Yes,Penetration isn't the only way to breach an armor where as neither FRS nor Chidori uses other means to do so. FRS uses needles to pierce through the defence where as Chidori uses a shape which is similar to knife to pierce though the defence which si why I was focusing on single point.
Throw 10000 needles at a coconut, nothing would happen.But use a knife it'll pierce through it. I hope you got my point at least now.

FRS does have far more penetrating power than chidori, it cut through at least three mountain-like structures at mount myoukubu and casually went through tons of the boulders in the chibaku tensei crater before exploding.

Sasukeʻs chidori ends when it hits a boulder, kakashiʻs raikiri stops when it hits mud wall and couldnʻt even put a hole in asura path.

Your analogy is completely disingenuous as well since what matters isnʻt the size of the attack, itʻs the force behind each attack that matters. I could just as well say shoot a needle at mach 100 into a coconut and itʻll go right through, but throw a knife at a coconut and it doesnʻt go through.

 

[Oblivionx]

Yup.


Lol, the simple fact that Nukite is above Raikiri, which is above Chidori is also another fact that shits on this retarded ass analogy you are trying to set up. The 3rd being finished by a stronger attack doesn't mean that he's near Ay's level when it comes to durability.

4 Fingered Nukite is around the same level as Chidori. The number increases every time he decreases the amount of fingers in use. 3 is stronger than Chidori let alone 1, which is much stronger. The difference is irrelevant as its a fact that its large.

Ay was harmed by Chidori. His father tanked FRS. There is literally no comparison when it comes to durability. Anyone who can read the manga would know this.




It cut the rock, meaning its a cutting attack. Shinobi don't cut rocks of that size with their bare hands. They either use jutsu, or if they use their hands, they break it. That is a clean cut. Its not my fault if reading the manga is impossible for you.

Kakashi pierced through them with a Kunai. He didn't cut them. Piercing isn't cutting in case you didn't know.

What kind of half assed logic is this?

1. Minato's only Kunai feat is apparently being able to pierce through Ay's neck/back with his special Kunai, and cutting Hachibi's tentacle (Small one) while making a small crater from the force.

2. Minato's Kunai Swing being able to penetrate deeper than Chidori (If that is even true) doesn't mean that its stronger than Nukite. Lol, are we not using logic cause its Minato we are talking about? Or do we not use logic at all? All that would prove is that its stronger than Chidori. For your logic to make any sense whatsoever, Chidori would have to equal Nukite, which is obviously false as the guy with much superior durability was run through by Nukite while the guy with inferior durability was harmed by Chidori.

Nukite>>>>Raikiri>Minato's Kunai Swing (Skeptical on this)>Chidori



Raiton enhanced Katana>Katana. FRS was so big that it couldn't put all of its cutting power (as only a fraction of the wind blade hit Madara) while the more focused Chidori Katana (enhanced with Rikudo's power) cut him. When the FRS exploded, it cut the Shinju and blew most of Madara's midsection off. Far above any version of Chidori when it comes to output.

That doesn't mean a Kunai is going to pierce the 3rd Raikage when FRS failed to damage him, when Nukite was needed to pierce him.


When the Wind Shuriken hit them it cut them. Example?

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Kakuzu didn't get hit by the Wind Shuriken, only the explosion, and it was an incomplete Rasen Shuriken. No Shinobi besides the 3rd Raikage got hit by FRS's Wind Shuriken, and the 3rd was durable enough to tank it. And why the hell would anyone get a hole in their chest? It cuts. It doesn't pierce. Learn the difference.



Chidori having more piercing power than FRS (Which doesn't even pierce to begin with) doesn't mean that its the stronger jutsu. Now I hope that you aren't dumb enough to actually imply that Chidori outputs more energy in that one spot than FRS does on his whole body, cause then I wouldn't be able to take you seriously.

FRS is leagues above Chidori, and the Raikage tanked it. Ay being near him in durability is idiotic. Especially when Wind is his Raiton Armor's weakness, meaning its even easier for weaker wind jutsu to accomplish what stronger jutsu that aren't of that element, can't do.



Them all being durable doesn't mean that they are all equal in durability. You can cry about my statement, backed with manga fact, or you can counter.



You've claimed that a Kunai swing from Minato will hurt the Raikage even though it took Nukite to pierce him, even though his son pretty much tanked Chidori, and even though he tanked FRS. You've claimed that Minato's Kunai Swing is near the power of Nukite and I need some sleep?

Stop wanking to Minato. Its disgusting.



Then we have this tard.

Chidori and FRS being two different attacks isn't a counter argument. Unless you think Chidori is close enough to FRS in power, that it can piece him while focused despite FRS failing, my argument stands. If you do think that, then you'd be a moron since FRS is tiers above Chidori in strength.

Not to mention I posted scans of Cast Net not doing anything to him, and I used Nukite (same type of attack as Chidori) for my analogy, so now you are just straight up ignoring evidence so you can continue wanking to Minato.

i have just 3 questions...

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1st: can't you see the damage in image you referred to?? cause then you need to get your eyes checked...
3rd was edo here and that's why regenerated... otherwise that's a lot of damage, two or 3 of these attacks in alive form and he'd have been dead...

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2nd:why pain's torso is attached to his legs, when he's standing in the middle of FRS?
3rd: you said FRS is stronger than chidori so FRS has more piercing power... though roronoa has given excellent example but i'll just ask this that is Hell Stab > FRS as an attack? as FRS failed while hell stab defeated 3rd??
good day...

 

[Team7Represent]

lol he's never going to understand bro... cause he doesn't want to... everyone knows FRS is stronger as an attack but chidori has more piercing power at a single point... the damage would have been greater with FRS if there wasn't a defensive armor and strong body... according to his logic FRS < hell stab... i desperately want to ask him this...
KIDGAMER do you agree that hell stab > FRS then as FRS failed while hell stab defeated 3rd...

It's not about him understanding whom, it's about understanding the manga itself. And which plenty in this thread have stated plenty of times, but to quote:

FRS is far more focused then Chidori, and is far more powerful, stop using such awful debating skills.
Also.

 

[Phonas]

Why are you guys flaming each other over fictitious characters?

@Topic: Minato wins through the utilization of the Frog Song. The Third Raikage's Raiton armor will turn off at that point, which makes his body vulnerable to being hit in vital locations.

 

[lanakui8]

i have just 3 questions...

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1st: can't you see the damage in image you referred to?? cause then you need to get your eyes checked...
3rd was edo here and that's why regenerated... otherwise that's a lot of damage, two or 3 of these attacks in alive form and he'd have been dead...

Sandaime raikage took that wind attack w/o his RnY armor up. He took FRS with his RnY up. Weʻve seen with Ei that the RnY is such a powerful layer of defense that chidori kusanagi canʻt even touch ei through it, and how it turned sasukeʻs chidori stab into a non-lethal cut.

Thatʻs the only reason Sandaime took so much damage then vs when he took FRS.

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2nd:why pain's torso is attached to his legs, when he's standing in the middle of FRS?

his torsoe isnʻt attached to his legs, it was completely obliterated. the upper half of his body is being shredded as it falls into the FRS.

3rd: you said FRS is stronger than chidori so FRS has more piercing power... though roronoa has given excellent example but i'll just ask this that is Hell Stab > FRS as an attack? as FRS failed while hell stab defeated 3rd??
good day...

FRS is stronger than chidori in that it contains far more power than chidori does. FRS is also much more penetrative than chidori. FRS is also stronger than hellstab, however itʻs not more penetrative as 1 finger nukite focuses its power which makes it more damaging across its AoE despite possessing overall less power. In otherwords, if the total power of FRS could be focused on a single point like hellstab, it would be even more penetrating.

 

[Oblivionx]

It's not about him understanding whom, it's about understanding the manga itself. And which plenty in this thread have stated plenty of times, but to quote:

Originally Posted by Lord of Akatsuki View Post
FRS is far more focused then Chidori, and is far more powerful, stop using such awful debating skills.

lol no one denying that FRS is more powerful... but more focused on single point? yeah, no... that's what chidori is... FRS damages when it explodes... seen anyone getting damaged before it exploded? thus this logic ends here that FRS is more focused... it attacks body from all sides, if it was more focused than chidori, that would mean, there won't be a piece of body left of one who got hit.. as chidori goes right through the body...so FRS should tear the body into cellular level of pieces... but it doesn't... so now you start understanding manga,
n 1 more question as kidgamer may not answer, is hell stab > FRS as an attack??

 

[Oblivionx]

Sandaime raikage took that wind attack w/o his RnY armor up. He took FRS with his RnY up. Weʻve seen with Ei that the RnY is such a powerful layer of defense that chidori kusanagi canʻt even touch ei through it, and how it turned sasukeʻs chidori stab into a non-lethal cut.

Thatʻs the only reason Sandaime took so much damage then vs when he took FRS.

we were not talking about whether lightning armor was up or not...

his torsoe isnʻt attached to his legs, it was completely obliterated. the upper half of his body is being shredded as it falls into the FRS.

proof..??

FRS is stronger than chidori in that it contains far more power than chidori does. FRS is also much more penetrative than chidori. FRS is also stronger than hellstab, however itʻs not more penetrative as 1 finger nukite focuses its power which makes it more damaging across its AoE despite possessing overall less power. In otherwords, if the total power of FRS could be focused on a single point like hellstab, it would be even more penetrating.

lol what logic... it's over my head...