[VS] 3rd raikage vs Minato

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Minato med diffs him..

 

[Oblivionx]

Why are you guys flaming each other over fictitious characters?

@Topic: Minato wins through the utilization of the Frog Song. The Third Raikage's Raiton armor will turn off at that point, which makes his body vulnerable to being hit in vital locations.

you are right... so i should probably go for lunch...

Good day everyone...

 

[lanakui8]

we were not talking about whether lightning armor was up or not...

the conclusions of your argument is based on whether the lightning armor was up or not though. If lightning armor significantly increases his durability or decreases the power of an attack before it hits him, and he has it up vs 1 attack while not against another, then you canʻt compare both attacks.

proof..??

The fact that we donʻt see the body connected.
the fact that if the body was connected, the rasenshuriken blades wouldnʻt have gone right through him. The rasenshuriken in that scan didnʻt blow up, it merely expanded. It blew up a few pages later.

Plus, we also know that human pathʻs body was reduced to a small scalp, so the attack had to have disintegrated his body.

Also, Iʻd like to know what proof you have that his torsoe actually was there.

lol what logic... it's over my head...

nah man itʻs not really complicated. Imagine two attacks, both have power 100. One attack has the AoE of chidori, one has the AoE of FRSʻs explosion. The attacks both emit the same power, but one focuses it on such a small AoE resulting in more penetrating and concentrated damage while the other one spreads out its power over a larger AoE resulting in more shallow damage. I think itʻs basically what you were trying to say in another one of your posts.

Also, FRS is more penetrative than chidori.

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we also have BM Narutoʻs rasenshuriken cutting through the juubiʻs tails, the same tails that withstood

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[Oblivionx]

the conclusions of your argument is based on whether the lightning armor was up or not though. If lightning armor significantly increases his durability or decreases the power of an attack before it hits him, and he has it up vs 1 attack while not against another, then you canʻt compare both attacks.

actually armor didn't matter in our argument with kidgamer as 4th's armor would be stronger or equal to 3rd's... so debate was about body... and i don't have time to explain all that to you now...

The fact that we donʻt see the body connected.
the fact that if the body was connected, the rasenshuriken blades wouldnʻt have gone right through him. The rasenshuriken in that scan didnʻt blow up, it merely expanded. It blew up a few pages later.

Plus, we also know that human pathʻs body was reduced to a small scalp, so the attack had to have disintegrated his body.

Also, Iʻd like to know what proof you have that his torsoe actually was there.

look closely on scan above... his body is still in between... FRS didn't go right through him....
also we have one other person who got his with incomplete FRS i.e kakazu and his body was ok on outside...
@bold, scan of human path getting hit and then disintegrated body.. i don't remember properly so plz show scans...

nah man itʻs not really complicated. Imagine two attacks, both have power 100. One attack has the AoE of chidori, one has the AoE of FRSʻs explosion. The attacks both emit the same power, but one focuses it on such a small AoE resulting in more penetrating and concentrated damage while the other one spreads out its power over a larger AoE resulting in more shallow damage. I think itʻs basically what you were trying to say in another one of your posts.

that's exactly what i'm trying to say... and if hell stab has more penetrating power than FRS then so has chidori.... because both have same nature of attack unlike FRS...

Also, FRS is more penetrative than chidori.

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we also have BM Narutoʻs rasenshuriken cutting through the juubiʻs tails, the same tails that withstood

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1st scan: that was as far as kakashi's arm could go so raikiri couldn't have penetrated any further.. you can clearly see his arm stretched...
2nd scan: that wasn't 1 frs.. naruto was training there, right? so we don't know how many frs he threw to do that...
3rd scan: yes it cut a rock, i admitted that already against kidgamer that it can cut few rocks... but i also said kakashi penetrated through multiple rocks with raikiri kunai... also FRS has failed to cut body on multiple occasions like against madara while chidori or raikiri has always put a hole in body if hit properly other than against 4th raikage... which is the basis of my argument...
4th scan: jubi's tails were also cut by nine tail's chakra after neji's death so that's kinda inconsistent... but still there's no proof that chidori or raikiri can't do it... as kakashi's raikiri cut through jin's shroud against obito if i remember correctly...
and last scan actually proves my point as you can see a biju dama which failed to cut through tails while frs did (even though TBB is stronger than FRS like FRS is stronger than chidori) though i need scan of frs cutting jubi's tails... i don't remember any such thing....

 

[lanakui8]

look closely on scan above... his body is still in between... FRS didn't go right through him....
also we have one other person who got his with incomplete FRS i.e kakazu and his body was ok on outside...

I donʻt see his body still in between in that scan. Is see his body, then the white rasenshuriken blades. Kakuzuʻs body was intact because he was hit by a 50% base rasenshuriken aka the incomplete rasenshuriken. With sennin mode naruto completed the technique which is why itʻs on an entirely different level of power. Plus the incomplete rasenshuriken that hit kakuzu did penetrate him completely, thatʻs why ever cell in his chakra was pierced by the tiny needles. The only reason he wasnʻt disintegrated was that there werenʻt enough wind needles to tear him to shreds, only pierce all his cells.

@bold, scan of human path getting hit and then disintegrated body.. i don't remember properly so plz show scans...

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that's exactly what i'm trying to say... and if hell stab has more penetrating power than FRS then so has chidori.... because both have same nature of attack unlike FRS...

no, hell stab having more penetrating power than FRS does not mean chidori has more as well. They might be of the same nature, but hell stab has far more power in it (itʻs coming from someone who can fight a bijuu head on) and itʻs focused on a much smaller point (chidori/raikiri are focused on the hand, hellstab is focused on the tips of the fingers).

1st scan: that was as far as kakashi's arm could go so raikiri couldn't have penetrated any further.. you can clearly see his arm stretched...
2nd scan: that wasn't 1 frs.. naruto was training there, right? so we don't know how many frs he threw to do that...

kakashiʻs arm was stretched out, but his momentum completely stopped. If chidori could have penetrated more, it would have done so, the entire premise behind raikiri is to charge someone with your full speed.

It had to have been 1 rasenshuriken. We see in the scan that all three mountaintops are smoking, which means they had all just been cut, there could not have been an interval between said attacks. Not only that, but that scan was clearly there to show the results of one rasenshuriken which is why thereʻs only one line of mountains cut. If naruto was testing multiple rasenshurikens, he would have thrown them at the closest mountains.

3rd scan: yes it cut a rock, i admitted that already against kidgamer that it can cut few rocks... but i also said kakashi penetrated through multiple rocks with raikiri kunai... also FRS has failed to cut body on multiple occasions like against madara while chidori or raikiri has always put a hole in body if hit properly other than against 4th raikage... which is the basis of my argument...

FRS didnʻt just cut a few rocks, it cut through a line of them without losing any power. If it had continued instead of exploding it would have probably cut through a kilometer of rocks. Kakashiʻs raikiri focused on the point of a kunai >> kakashiʻs raikiri in penetrating power since the kunai tip is a lot sharper than a hand.

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and Narutoʻs base youton rasenshuriken would have cut right through madara if naruto didnʻt tell it to burst in order to cut the shinjuu in half.

4th scan: jubi's tails were also cut by nine tail's chakra after neji's death so that's kinda inconsistent... but still there's no proof that chidori or raikiri can't do it... as kakashi's raikiri cut through jin's shroud against obito if i remember correctly...

At least one of the juubiʻs tails were cut by narutoʻs BM FRS, doesnʻt really matter how the other one was cut since we know the tails are durable enough to withstand a bijuudama and tons of giant slicing chakra attacks. Sure thereʻs proof that chidori and raikiri canʻt do it, chidori could barely scratch V1 Ei, V1 Ei obviously isnʻt withstanding a bijuudama or those giant slicing fuutons/chakra attacks.

Kakashi used raikiri chain to cut through the jinʻs chakra arms, yet a direct shot of raikiri failed to do anything to the body cloaks of the V2 jinchurikis.

and last scan actually proves my point as you can see a biju dama which failed to cut through tails while frs did (even though TBB is stronger than FRS like FRS is stronger than chidori) though i need scan of frs cutting jubi's tails... i don't remember any such thing....

TBB isnʻt necessarily stronger than FRS. TBB is stronger than KCM FRS, however a BM FRS is > KCM FRS.

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[Hyphen]

I do hope people realize Frog Genjutsu is not instant.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I do hope people realize Frog Genjutsu is not instant.

It's not.

But Raikage isn't touching Minato. So that's irrelevant.

 

[KidGamer65]

lol he's never going to understand bro... cause he doesn't want to... everyone knows FRS is stronger as an attack but chidori has more piercing power at a single point... the damage would have been greater with FRS if there wasn't a defensive armor and strong body... according to his logic FRS < hell stab... i desperately want to ask him this...
KIDGAMER do you agree that hell stab > FRS then as FRS failed while hell stab defeated 3rd...

Except there is no proof that it does, and I'm pretty sure evidence has been provided that it doesn't.

Nukite puts more energy on one point of the Raikage's body, than FRS does as a whole. That's all there is to it. So if Nukite and FRS came in contact with a defense, Nukite would do more damage solely because of how it works. Using that logic for a much weaker attack than FRS, which doesn't put more energy on one point than FRS puts on his body as a whole, makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes,Penetration isn't the only way to breach an armor where as neither FRS nor Chidori uses other means to do so. FRS uses needles to pierce through the defence where as Chidori uses a shape which is similar to knife to pierce though the defence which si why I was focusing on single point.
Throw 10000 needles at a coconut, nothing would happen.But use a knife it'll pierce through it. I hope you got my point at least now.

Already replied to this. FRS cuts, explodes and pierces all in one jutsu. That alone renders your whole point moot. Not to mention your analogy is trash. If THOUSANDS OF NEEDLES with the force FRS has behind it (Much more than Chidori) hit a coconut and a knife that had as much force as Chidori (Which is just the force that comes from Sasuke thrusting, which isn't anywhere FRS) then the thousands of needles would pierce deeper.

 

[Unorthodox]

raikage wins

 

[Team7Represent]

lol no one denying that FRS is more powerful... but more focused on single point? yeah, no... that's what chidori is... FRS damages when it explodes... seen anyone getting damaged before it exploded? thus this logic ends here that FRS is more focused... it attacks body from all sides, if it was more focused than chidori, that would mean, there won't be a piece of body left of one who got hit.. as chidori goes right through the body...so FRS should tear the body into cellular level of pieces... but it doesn't... so now you start understanding manga,
n 1 more question as kidgamer may not answer, is hell stab > FRS as an attack??

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[Lord of Akatsuki]

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Lol. Good picture.

 

[Icelerate]

Sandaime raikage took that wind attack w/o his RnY armor up. He took FRS with his RnY up. Weʻve seen with Ei that the RnY is such a powerful layer of defense that chidori kusanagi canʻt even touch ei through it, and how it turned sasukeʻs chidori stab into a non-lethal cut.

Thatʻs the only reason Sandaime took so much damage then vs when he took FRS.

Most of the 3rd Raikage's durability comes from his raiton armour as it was said it was

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, not his raiton armour.

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which should be somewhat stronger than fodder samurai blades which were only strong enough to

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and only

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. Kimimaro's actual body in base is a lot more durable than that bone sword let alone in CS2. Chidori is a lot stronger than a raiton enhanced sword which is why it not only pierced through Ay's raiton cloak, but his skin as well. Sasuke's chidori is weaker than Raikiri which is a lot weaker than 4 fingered hell stab which is four times weaker than one fingered hell stab. Proof of this,

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without doing much damage yet

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. Also Sasuke's chidori only

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which are less durable than chakra enhanced doton walls. What I'm trying to say is that raiton armour's limit is weaker than chidori because

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, which is also pretty durable considering

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unlike Tsunade. Also it is quite telling why Ay didn't use lightning armour to enhance his durability in that scenario. Maybe because the air pressure of the high speed movement through air makes raiton cloak hardly a factor. Kirin and FRS are portrayed to be equal similar to how chidori and rasengan are portrayed to be equal. Kirin managed to destroy the entire Uchiha hideout which was a thousand times larger than the volume of the rock chidori hollowed out so FRS' damage was mostly soaked up by 3rd Raikage's body especially when his raiton cloak is even stronger against lightning than it is against wind. FRS actually ended up doing more damage on the 3rd Raikage than Wind Cast Net considering

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despite the fact he wasn't after Wind Cast Net and

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unlike against FRS where he had been on the ground for a few seconds before getting back up. The reason people think FRS did less damage is because the cuts the cast net made were thicker than FRS' which was because the FRS and all those tiny microscopic blades ended up spreading out over a

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whereas the line segments of Wind cast net had energy focussed in multiple 1D line segments. However FRS actually did more damage overall because the entire surface area of his body took some damage whereas Cast Net didn't do damage on the entire surface area of his body.

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Naruto spearheaded the attack against the Juubi's tails but it was a combined effort involving everyone in the alliance as shown by the

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the ASF made as they ran through the tails. That is unless you think Naruto's FRS is stronger than a TBB from Killer Bee, giant slicer fuuton from wind style users, giant sword slashes all boosted by multiple users who have been boosted by Kyuubi chakra. You giving Naruto full credit over cutting one of the Juubi's tail is like me saying Temari stopped the shockwave made by the Juubi's tail even though it was about a

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then the thousands of needles would pierce deeper.

Thousands? I'm quite sure there are over billions of them. A human body has about

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and FRS can

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and destroy the functionallity of most of those cells considering Tsunade said

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and those needles are smaller than individual cells.

 

[Rιver]

Most of the 3rd Raikage's durability comes from his raiton armour as it was said it was

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, not his raiton armour.

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which should be somewhat stronger than fodder samurai blades which were only strong enough to

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and only

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. Kimimaro's actual body in base is a lot more durable than that bone sword let alone in CS2.

Let's not grasp at straws here; it was also stated that his skin as as hard as steel and blood like iron

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. Kimimaro's bones also had the strength equaling this. Clearly he meant his shroud, not his body itself. Naruto also hardly knew anything about his durability itself.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Let's not grasp at straws here; it was also stated that his skin as as hard as steel and blood like iron

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. Kimimaro's bones also had the strength equaling this. Clearly he meant his shroud, not his body itself. Naruto also hardly knew anything about his durability itself.​

He's correct. If most of his durability came from the armor, then he would have died from FRS as that same armor was already penetrated with Chidori, a far weaker jutsu. Conclusion? The 3rd's durability is mainly that high because of his own body.

 

[Demonic.]

1. Ay>>>His father when it comes to speed.

2. No proof that Ay was fast enough to reach the Kunai before Minato could teleport again.

3. The Kunai were close by Ay, they won't be in this scenario.

4. Ay would have gotten wrecked himself. Pretty sure he made it clear that he isn't on Minato's level.

So you're saying the only way Minato puts Third Raikage down is by summoning Ma and Pa? He has to clasp his hands together for a good while, which means he can't throw anymore Kunais.

If the third figures out the FTG trick (like any idiot can) the third simply has to go for the kunais and grab them. Eventually, Minato will have to let his hands go to throw out more Kunai. This will end in a stalemate.

 

[KidGamer65]

So you're saying the only way Minato puts Third Raikage down is by summoning Ma and Pa? He has to clasp his hands together for a good while, which means he can't throw anymore Kunais.

If he has Kunai set, then there is no issue. All he needs to do is spread them and then call Ma and Pa.

If the third figures out the FTG trick (like any idiot can) the third simply has to go for the kunais and grab them. Eventually, Minato will have to let his hands go to throw out more Kunai. This will end in a stalemate.

Then he marks the area w/o Kunai, meaning he can't grab them.

 

[Demonic.]

If he has Kunai set, then there is no issue. All he needs to do is spread them and then call Ma and Pa.



Then he marks the area w/o Kunai, meaning he can't grab them.

Ah, I have no counter. I submit. From this day on I shall praise KidGamer as my lord and savior.

 

[Gold Lightning]

By does minato need to clap his hands and waste time. He can just send a clone to FTG to mount myoboku.

 

[Icelerate]

Let's not grasp at straws here; it was also stated that his skin as as hard as steel and blood like iron

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. Kimimaro's bones also had the strength equaling this. Clearly he meant his shroud, not his body itself. Naruto also hardly knew anything about his durability itself.​

There are several other panels which allude at 3rd Raikage's body being the source of vast majority of his durability (

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). Third Raikage was known more for his astonishing endurance than his speed or power. By endurance they are obviously talking about his body's resistance in this context because this was right after the 3rd Raikage brushed off Wind Cast Net despite him not wearing raiton armour. As a high kage level shinobi, he was looked upon mostly for his body's durability. Kimimaro's bones were stated to be above tempered steel so unless you think base Kimimaro's durability is above base 3rd Raikage, it means you can't directly compare the two given hypes with each other. If you think that Kimimaro is more durable than the 3rd Raikage, than I suggest you log off because both are portrayed to be very durable but one is portrayed to be on a much higher level. Now the 3rd Raikage's body being like steel is a

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in saying his body's skin is extremely durable. This doesn't mean his body is equal to steel unless you think an attack of Wind Cast Net's calibre is going to barely pierce through steel when

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. Attacks far weaker than Wind Cast Net can cut through bone.

 

[lanakui8]

Most of the 3rd Raikage's durability comes from his raiton armour as it was said it was

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, not his raiton armour.

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which should be somewhat stronger than fodder samurai blades which were only strong enough to

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and only

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. Kimimaro's actual body in base is a lot more durable than that bone sword let alone in CS2. Chidori is a lot stronger than a raiton enhanced sword which is why it not only pierced through Ay's raiton cloak, but his skin as well. Sasuke's chidori is weaker than Raikiri which is a lot weaker than 4 fingered hell stab which is four times weaker than one fingered hell stab. Proof of this,

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without doing much damage yet

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. Also Sasuke's chidori only

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which are less durable than chakra enhanced doton walls. What I'm trying to say is that raiton armour's limit is weaker than chidori because

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, which is also pretty durable considering

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unlike Tsunade. Also it is quite telling why Ay didn't use lightning armour to enhance his durability in that scenario. Maybe because the air pressure of the high speed movement through air makes raiton cloak hardly a factor. Kirin and FRS are portrayed to be equal similar to how chidori and rasengan are portrayed to be equal. Kirin managed to destroy the entire Uchiha hideout which was a thousand times larger than the volume of the rock chidori hollowed out so FRS' damage was mostly soaked up by 3rd Raikage's body especially when his raiton cloak is even stronger against lightning than it is against wind. FRS actually ended up doing more damage on the 3rd Raikage than Wind Cast Net considering

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despite the fact he wasn't after Wind Cast Net and

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unlike against FRS where he had been on the ground for a few seconds before getting back up. The reason people think FRS did less damage is because the cuts the cast net made were thicker than FRS' which was because the FRS and all those tiny microscopic blades ended up spreading out over a

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whereas the line segments of Wind cast net had energy focussed in multiple 1D line segments. However FRS actually did more damage overall because the entire surface area of his body took some damage whereas Cast Net didn't do damage on the entire surface area of his body.

I donʻt really disagree with any of this, although thereʻs one point that Iʻd like to note. Sure, Sandaime raikageʻs body defenses > Sandaime raikageʻs RnY defenses, however weʻve seen from Sasuke vs V1 Ei that the RnY significantly decreased the power of his chidori. Had Ei not had his RnY up, he probably would have died, especially when he commends sasuke on merely being able to touch him through his raiton shield. Now if we go to Sandaime raikage whoʻs RnY is probably on an even higher level of his sonʻs considering who he is and how heʻs able to pump so much chakra into it that he can use his nukite, KCM FRS has to get through th shield first before it even begins to damage sandaime. That means its power is going to be significantly decreased before it hits him, and since sandaime raikageʻs body is even more durable than his shroud, his body hardly takes any damage from the tech.

Naruto spearheaded the attack against the Juubi's tails but it was a combined effort involving everyone in the alliance as shown by the

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the ASF made as they ran through the tails. That is unless you think Naruto's FRS is stronger than a TBB from Killer Bee, giant slicer fuuton from wind style users, giant sword slashes all boosted by multiple users who have been boosted by Kyuubi chakra. You giving Naruto full credit over cutting one of the Juubi's tail is like me saying Temari stopped the shockwave made by the Juubi's tail even though it was about a

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Narutoʻs BM FRS doesnʻt even have to be stronger than Beeʻs normal TBB or those giant wind styles in order to cut through the tails. All it has to be is more penetrative than them, and thatʻs pretty much what we see happen since naruto is at the tip of the bird, and still is at the tip of the bird when the tails are cut. Unlike how naruto usually uses the FRS where he throws it at the target and lets it blow up, this time he held it and kept it small/compact which focused its power on a much smaller AoE allowing it to cut things that those giant slicer fuutons and bijuudama werenʻt able to get through. So his FRS had to have had enough penetrating power to go right through the juubiʻs tail. Thatʻs also why itʻs not the same as temariʻs fuuton.

Also, think about what youʻve just said. If Narutoʻs BM chakra boosted the powers of the shinobi allianceʻs attacks so much, then why wouldnʻt it also boost the power of Narutoʻs own FRS just as much?

Thousands? I'm quite sure there are over billions of them. A human body has about

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and FRS can

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and destroy the functionallity of most of those cells considering Tsunade said

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and those needles are smaller than individual cells.

okay trillions then...