Some Naruto fans... too simple minded or straightforward.

[BenjerminGaye]

Considering everything, it was still nonsensical.

Pretty much this.

 

[shelke]

His forgiveness surpasses your average window-licking at-full throttle retard level. But whatever floats everyone's fancy boats.

 

[Dannie]

His forgiveness surpasses your average window-licking at-full throttle retard level. But whatever floats everyone's fancy boats.

Pretty much this. Naruto's theme of forgiveness peaks the new heights of retardation.

 

[NineSNS]

I'm so relieved that other people get the themes in the manga.
Two of the three main sets of rivals made peace this chapter.
The thread title had me a little worried-glad I read it. Thanks for posting.

 

[Tennis Robot]

- did they go through the same hardships?

- Did they live their lives as loners?

And I don't see how its even close ot being the same.. .

You are going against the principles that the topic of this thread is based in. People don't have to have the same exact lives to empathize with one another.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You are going against the principles that the topic of this thread is based in. People don't have to have the same exact lives to empathize with one another.

The funny thing is that he said that in this very thread yet he's now going against it.

Lets use a son and a mother, many incidents where the son turns out to be a criminal, yet the mother still loves him. Are you going to say the mother is an idiot? no..... She loves him because thats her son. Why did Fugaku ask Itachi to take care of Sasuke? Because thats his son. Did he trip about Itachi killing them? no.

 

[KingHashirama]

It doesn't change the "hypothetical" bond. Mother's aren't loners but will go to hell and back for their child. Either way the bonds listed are detrimental, and in most cases life threatening. That's not healthy.

"its not healthy"... To them their bonds > their health. . You can't decide what matters for them more. That is the same case in Naruto.

His forgiveness surpasses your average window-licking at-full throttle retard level. But whatever floats everyone's fancy boats.

Experience and then spout the crap.

You are going against the principles that the topic of this thread is based in. People don't have to have the same exact lives to empathize with one another.

Alright lets talk.

False, the thread was never about having the exact same life or not having it. It is about sharing a bond. He made a hypothetical situation, where if osama and bush were friends 9/11 will still happen..You can't make hypothetical situation while still going with a factual event. That is not a good counter.


Now i stated they aren't even close to being the same.... so that means i'm saying they have to be the same? .

"It's like saying Bush was friends with Osama and after the 9/11 attacks instead of having him at the very least own up to the bad things done invites him back to the white house for a drink."

From what was implied by him making the post.. seemed to me he was trying to compare it to Hashirama/Madara or Naruto/SAsuke... which can't do at all. So no, i simply answered according to the implications made by his statement.

Furthermore, not to mention "invites him back to the white house for a drink".. nothing like that has happened in Naruto. The over exaggerations people make to try to disregard what they don't understand is so stupid sometimes.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

"its not healthy"... To them their bonds > their health. . You can't decide what matters for them more. That is the same case in Naruto.



Experience and then spout the crap.

the bolded is exactly why it's not healthy.

 

[KingHashirama]

the bolded is exactly why it's not healthy.

what is healthy?

Can you tell me everyone will be happy if they cancelled their bonds, since they will be "healthy"?

Why do you care about them being healthy, if they care about the bond?

Giving your life for a fellow soldier = unhealthy

Giving your kidney to save your father = unhealthy

Giving away blood to save others = unhealthy

 

[BenjerminGaye]

what is healthy?

Can you tell me everyone will be happy if they cancelled their bonds, since they will be "healthy"?

Why do you care about them being healthy, if they care about the bond?

Giving your life for a fellow soldier = unhealthy

Giving your kidney to save your father = unhealthy

Giving away blood to save others = unhealthy

Really bro? You're really gonna take that route?

Health is the level of functional or metabolic efficiency of a living organism. In humans, it is the general condition of a person's mind and body, usually meaning to be free from illness, injury or pain
According to Wikipedia.

Giving you're life for someone else is selfless. Turning a blind eye to their flaws, and wrongdoings isn't.

 

[KingHashirama]

Really bro? You're really gonna take that route?

Health is the level of functional or metabolic efficiency of a living organism. In humans, it is the general condition of a person's mind and body, usually meaning to be free from illness, injury or pain
According to Wikipedia.

Giving you're life for someone else is selfless. Turning a blind eye to their flaws isn't.

Yet notice how the bolded has nothing to do with anything that has happened in the series.

Well bro, you are the one who made an impossible scenario happen, and furthermore, a scenario that has no correlations with any event in the manga.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yet notice how the bolded has nothing to do with anything that has happened in the series.

Well bro, you are the one who made an impossible scenario happen, and furthermore, a scenario that has no correlations with any event in the manga.

The bolded is exactly what naruto hashirama and Kakashi ultimately did in favor of their bonds.

 

[KingHashirama]

The bolded is exactly what naruto hashirama and Kakashi ultimately did in favor of their bonds.

ah but they didn't.

- Naruto asked obito to comeback and accept his punishment.. he simply didn't hold a grudge. He also understood the fact Obito was nothing more than a pawn.

- Hashirama, is known for his kindness, don't take that as stupidity. The guy very well knows when to draw the line. And that last talk, Madara had realized he was wrong and Hashirama was right, thats why the whole drinking thing occured.

- Kakashi, he owed his life to obito, yet eve still was going to kill him. Until obito turned good.

^^ These guys simply don't hold grudges, doesn't mean they don't consequences for their actions.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

ah but they didn't.

- Naruto asked obito to comeback and accept his punishment.. he simply didn't hold a grudge. He also understood the fact Obito was nothing more than a pawn.

- Hashirama, is known for his kindness, don't take that as stupidity. The guy very well knows when to draw the line. And that last talk, Madara had realized he was wrong and Hashirama was right, thats why the whole drinking thing occured.

- Kakashi, he owed his life to obito, yet eve still was going to kill him. Until obito turned good.

^^ These guys simply don't hold grudges, doesn't mean they don't consequences for their actions.

Wit naruto I'm talking about sasuke not obito.

With hashirama it took madara nearly destroying everything they worked for for him to draw a line. And he only drew the line because Madara threatened the lives of others. He already made it clear he'd kill himself if madara asked.

Kakashi tried to tnj obito even though obito brought chaos upon the world.

It's not about holding grudges it's about making the right decisions which neither of the three did when "bonds" got in the way.

They're like battered wives. Putting up with unnecessary bullshit, and in all three cases physical harm from the ones they love for their love/bonds. While on the opposite side sasuke madara and obito would dispose of both bonds and the ppl they share it with if it furthers their goals.


IMHO a healthy bond is mutually beneficial the main 3 kishimoto tote aren't.

 

[KingHashirama]

Wit naruto I'm talking about sasuke not obito.

With hashirama it took madara nearly destroying everything they worked for for him to draw a line. And he only drew the line because Madara threatened the lives of others. He already made it clear he'd kill himself if madara asked.

Kakashi tried to tnj obito even though obito brought chaos upon the world.

It's not about holding grudges it's about making the right decisions which neither of the three did when "bonds" got in the way.

They're like battered wives. Putting up with unnecessary bullshit, and in all three cases physical harm from the ones they love for their love/bonds. While on the opposite side sasuke madara and obito would dispose of both bonds and the ppl they share it with if it furthers their goals.


IMHO a healthy bond is mutually beneficial the main 3 kishimoto tote aren't.

1. No he made it clear if he had to pick his death, over his brother's, and the co-opertaion of the clan.. He'd pick his death. No clue why you assume he was doing it for Madara...

2. Yea he did, because thats the guy Kakashi owes his life to. And don't forget Kumo and other countries including konoha also brought chaos in the world.

3. So how did they not make the right decisions? .

4. Yea , hence why i stated "Even if your brother turns his back on you, you still don't turn your back on your brother".. its called being the bigger man, and standing with your beliefs. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

5. the thread isn't about a healthy bond.

 

[QdonEms]

......hmph.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Yeah, whatever.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

1. No he made it clear if he had to pick his death, over his brother's, and the co-opertaion of the clan.. He'd pick his death. No clue why you assume he was doing it for Madara...

2. Yea he did, because thats the guy Kakashi owes his life to. And don't forget Kumo and other countries including konoha also brought chaos in the world.

3. So how did they not make the right decisions? .

4. Yea , hence why i stated "Even if your brother turns his back on you, you still don't turn your back on your brother".. its called being the bigger man, and standing with your beliefs. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

5. the thread isn't about a healthy bond.

1.Nope. it was only Madara. The rest of the uchiha was already being assimilated into the senju. The only one against it was madara, and Madara was gonna have him kill Tobirama or himself on whim cuz he couldn't get his way.

2.regardless. Obito is the man who declared war on the shinobi world. Trying to get him to say sorry (which he never really did) doesn't make up for the death of 40000 shinobi, selfishly wishing things could go back to the way they were.

3a.Trying to appoint madara as hokage even though he doesn't have the power to do so was hashirama's mistake, he put his bond before his village, which ultimately put the village in danger.
3b. Kakashi didn't kill obito even though he had ample opportunity to do so, he put his bond before the united forces, which ultimately led to obito becoming the juubi jinchuuriki, putting the world in danger.
3c. Naruto still to this day putting sasuke above all, which put his village in danger of world War with kumo, and ultimately led to 4th world war.
The kicker is that obito madara and sasuke give 0 fcks about the the others or take into consideration what others think. And as always its up to the former 3 to pick up the pieces. Battered wife syndrome at its finest.

4.being the bigger man isn't about not turning your back on your brother but confronting your brother about their problems otherwise you're just an enabler. And as such should also be held responsible.

5.I'm well aware.

 

[KingHashirama]

1.Nope. it was only Madara. The rest of the uchiha was already being assimilated into the senju. The only one against it was madara, and Madara was gonna have him kill Tobirama or himself on whim cuz he couldn't get his way.

2.regardless. Obito is the man who declared war on the shinobi world. Trying to get him to say sorry (which he never really did) doesn't make up for the death of 40000 shinobi, selfishly wishing things could go back to the way they were.

3a.Trying to appoint madara as hokage even though he doesn't have the power to do so was hashirama's mistake, he put his bond before his village, which ultimately put the village in danger.
3b. Kakashi didn't kill obito even though he had ample opportunity to do so, he put his bond before the united forces, which ultimately led to obito becoming the juubi jinchuuriki, putting the world in danger.
3c. Naruto still to this day putting sasuke above all, which put his village in danger of world War with kumo, and ultimately led to 4th world war.
The kicker is that obito madara and sasuke give 0 fcks about the the others or take into consideration what others think. And as always its up to the former 3 to pick up the pieces. Battered wife syndrome at its finest.

4.being the bigger man isn't about not turning your back on your brother but confronting your brother about their problems otherwise you're just an enabler. And as such should also be held responsible.

5.I'm well aware.

1. anime shows multiple (you'll say anime is not cannon) (i'll say manga just didn't zoom out.) It doesn't matter what Madara would've wanted .. its about why Hashirama was going to do it.. So both clans can be friends.. and thus ending the long era of war.


2. Well the villages he faced against are easily responsible for more than 40k deaths.

3a. He actually put rationality. The guy knew how to run politics. If Madara had been Hokage, it would've had a whole lot of impact.
3b. he stabber obito through the heart. Tried to kill him.. but your fav character stopped him.
3c. He put the village and the shinobi before Sasuke. There would be no conflict, if he was putting sasuke before everything. He'd be joining him then.

4. And thats what Naruto/Hashirama have done.. the so called "Talk no jutsu" is confronting the problem.

2.

 

[FunnyHatake]

I agree with you.
People who say naruto is stupid, guess he is as stupid as the guy in my status.