Some Naruto fans... too simple minded or straightforward.

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- did they go through the same hardships?

- Did they live their lives as loners?

And I don't see how its even close ot being the same.. o_O.

Did Naruto and Obito? As far as I remember Naruto and Obito share zero bonds.
 

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1. No they weren't. And it was practically all. Even his own clans men went against him. Madara said himself this very chapter that nobody follows him. (As expected of a indra)

2.no it's not.

3a.false. Tobirama structured the village. Created the rules of shinobi followed democracy etc. They only united with hashirama due to his strength. Hiruzen still had to get jounin vote. Danzo didn't become kage.
3b.no I'm talking about villain juubi jin obito. The obito that trapped them in a barrier and tried to kill them obito. Yet minato is sitting there asking questions like "why?" And "how?"
3c. Kage summit.

4.the first time hashirama confronted the problem was valley of end. All other times he let madara get his way willy nilly. And the only time he truly talked to him was this chapter, were he explained to him that he can't do everything himself. And what were they?
Hashirama was a dead man brought back to the real world by edo tensai. Whereas madara was a dead man brought back by edo tensai, fully revived by rinne tensai but yet still for the 3 time on his deathbed.

1. Madara said he doesnt like people following him. Also, its pretty clear the youth of the uchiha was behind madara. To madara only thing that mattered was his brother....

2.sure if u want to deny it.


3. No jounin vote occured, unless u have some sort of proof? Furthermore only someone who is living in the past of the mqnga believes tobirama structured the village. Tobirama only implemented things hashirama wished but could not achieve... and everything else he did on his own.. came back to bite him I the ass.

3b. Your fav... not my issue. If you cant understand your fav character mate... thats just not good.

3c. Ahhh your over ilexaggaration of a normal sentence.... not supported by the scan u are referring to.

4. See here is the issue agai ... hashirama didnt do it for madara. You keep on saying he did.... why? He talked to him everytime they fought... he confronted him whe. They split up also....
 

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I liked the way you explained the bonds between all of them.

This applies to all kinds of bonds in the series.

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Naruto and and Obito having a bond is completely ridiculous.
Bonds are formed over time, not in a couple of hours, especially when the man you are forming a bond with murdered your parents.
 

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Naruto and and Obito having a bond is completely ridiculous.
Bonds are formed over time, not in a couple of hours, especially when the man you are forming a bond with murdered your parents.
What Naruto and Obito have.. is the bond of understanding. Naruto understands Obito.. know why? Because he has gone through similar stuff. He acknowledges that if he was played like Obito was, he would've turned out the same way. (Notice this does not mean he forgave him.)


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How does people not forgiving others is ultimately a Raikage stance? Raikage was a retarded hypocritical swine. He carried out random incursions against Hyuga Clan and on Konoha to procure nine-tails, and he also amassed ninjutsu despite the disarmament treaty. Yet, he was so up-set when his own Jin was take - or so he assumed? How does that equate with people not forgiving every individual that commits vile acts?

Your analogy of familial bonds is also completely off the mark. Parents and siblings forgive, no matter how atrocious the crime of their children or siblings, as they are tied by the force of blood. There is no reason for anyone to forgive a random stranger, when the act is targeted at the individual. Mind you, parents and siblings don't forgive the aggressor either, if they are the victim of the aggression.

So, how exactly have you connected this analogy with Naruto finding Obito cool? Is he is milk-mother from another life, or something?

lolll man you are all over the place in regards to understanding the content of the thread. :p

Let me explain it then:

- Raikage example: That has a connection to thinking from 1 point of view, and being stubborn to not change that point of view to see from someone else's point of view. Just like how the Raikage did. Raikage himself doesn't understand "bonds" clearly shown from ego of "slap first, ask the problem later". Basically those who b*tch and moan about "ohhh why was he nice to obito/madara/nagato".

- "there is no reason for anyone to forgive a stranger".. If someone is stranger, that means you don't know anything about them, you don't have a bond with them. Such as how Naruto had no bond with Deidara/Sasori/Kakuzu/Hidan. Furthermore there is no such thing "force of blood". There is only "love" for your familia. Such as that love for your familia, there also exists a love for "human kind , brotherhood, sisterhood". Notice that I never stated family bond is the only bond out there...

- There are many types of bonds out there. Those tyed with experience, or those tied with thinking, blood, and so on. << These are the bonds the thread talks about.


- Now for the Obito and Naruto. That finding obito cool thing is still bugging you huh. lolll. Who is Obito to Naruto? Not Tobi, not the "masked man". TO NARUTO (not to us) Obito is the guy who had the same dream as him, and lived through a similar life style of lonliness as him, and the person who wanted to be Hokage. To Naruto that is Obito. Not the person who caused the war. (now you'll complain about him forgiving Obito, no he never forgave him for his actions. ). See again, thats why i am saying you have to look at things from multiple-points of views. Just like with the Uchiha incident people are only looking from the Danzo/itachi/hiruzen point of view.
 
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