Some Naruto fans... too simple minded or straightforward.

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From the recent thread and the old threads, i have noticed that some amongst seem to be simple minded (not in a insult way) but in the way that they think from a set point of view, and don't try to change or look from another point of view, that Kishimoto writes his manga in.


Seen too many people say "why was Naruto nice to obito, he killed alot" "why was kakashi nice to obito, he killed alot" "why was Hashirama nice to Madara , he killed alot"


^^^^^^ That is basically Raikage's thinking (that had also nearly caused wars in the past history of Naruto, were it not for the sacrifices and the logical reasoning made by other villages, to endure.) However, you see in Naruto there are things called "Bonds" (don't worry they exist in real life also). The reason Naruto/Hashirama were not "pissedd off" at those villains, is simply because that is kishimoto's message. Notice, never once did Naruto or Hashirama say "oh come back i forgive you for every killing you did".. no. They simply ignored the actions and looked on, while acknowleding those people did do terrible things, and thus making them suffer the consequences.

They are bonds, that have been witnessed in real life and so on. Lets use a son and a mother, many incidents where the son turns out to be a criminal, yet the mother still loves him. Are you going to say the mother is an idiot? no..... She loves him because thats her son. Why did Fugaku ask Itachi to take care of Sasuke? Because thats his son. Did he trip about Itachi killing them? no.


BONDS are the reason why "forgiveness" and other things exist in Naruto.

Obito/Naruto's bond = Same shitty past, yet 2 different paths taken

Sasuke/Naruto bond = rival, friends who cared about each other, became broskies (even if your brother turns his back on you, you don't turn your back on your brother) < that is Naruto's mind set.

Hashirama/Madara's bond = Same story, understood each other to an extent, became brothers, had shared a dream, 2 sides of the same coin.


Conclusion:

I know this thread is all-over the place, but my main point is. Please don't look at the manga from a simplistic Raikage mind set, you'll just end up not understanding the situation. Kishimoto's entire manga has been about "bonds", thats his main focus, his main message, that he had been trying to give out to people since the start. "Don't just throw away your bonds people" or something like that, is what i got from the manga.

This manga is enriched with wisdom, so let us try to become wise. :)
 
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Maybe I just want to be ignorant. :rolleyes:
 
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I agree.

Personally love the use of the phrase '2 sides of the same coin' because it's true.

Characters like Naruto/Sasuke, Hashirama/Madara, Kakashi/Obito have to be looked at as something greater than just rivals or frienemies.

good thread +rep
 

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"a lot" too many people do that for me not to point it out..
 

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Aren't you supposed to be some Naruto fanboy?
 

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This thread starter right here..... IS A ABSOLUTE LEGEND! Never did I think there was ever a genuis around like the thread starter. You my man deserve every rep you can get. Just take it for free with no charge asked.
 
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I was expecting some sort of out-of-control thread

+rep =D

Yo LOL i was thinking the same shit, from the title of the thread i was like "um.. oh shit.." LOL but yeah man, for what it is, well said. The mother-son thing got me.. cuz i haven't really been the best son, but my mom no matter what ALWAYS had my back, that example in this context had me like "yup, that's word" lol (this is NOT counting Kaguya and her sons tho, lol)

and lol yes Raikage is a good example.. there's the whole "Kick ass and take names later" attitude, where u go in and destroy indiscriminately because of a preceived "wrong," and then there's the "negotiating and understanding" approach that Naruto takes. Raikage demanded either: a WAR--cuz his soldier was killed while infiltrating konoha and kidnapping a 6 yr old girl, or a TRADE of LIFE--dude who killed the kidnapper had to give up his life.. there's NO reason that should have resulted in Neji's father's death but in the end the Hokage, and Neji's father, decided that ONE life for the good of the people was fine (Hiruzen didn't think it was "fine" but that the alternative was worse).
Naruto, on the other hand, with Pain as the example, said "why did you turn out this way?" when he could EASILY have just walked in and killed him. "Keep ur friends close, you enemies closer" is the only way to come to any understanding. Sometimes it's unavoidable, sometimes one or both sides will NEVER agree--meaning in real life it doesn't happen the way it does in manga--but also sometimes negotiating and understanding are better.. in the long term..
 

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Forgive them, don't, I don't really care which. I'm all for forgiving people who deserve it, and Obito did redeem himself, so I'm more or less okay with Naruto forgiving him. Calling him the coolest guy is overboard but whatever.
Madara... lol. I guess I can see where Hashirama was coming from, seeing how Madara was no longer a threat and he DID say his way wrong, barely. Plus he did only want peace in the end, despite his shit-tastic way of going about it and his almost-hypocrisy. And the fact he was also a pawn the whole time... Still, wish he did something more like Obito instead of giving a half assed apology then dying.
 

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I would rep u but im not able to .U are 100% on point
 

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Forgive them, don't, I don't really care which. I'm all for forgiving people who deserve it, and Obito did redeem himself, so I'm more or less okay with Naruto forgiving him. Calling him the coolest guy is overboard but whatever.
Madara... lol. I guess I can see where Hashirama was coming from, seeing how Madara was no longer a threat and he DID say his way wrong, barely. Plus he did only want peace in the end, despite his shit-tastic way of going about it and his almost-hypocrisy. And the fact he was also a pawn the whole time... Still, wish he did something more like Obito instead of giving a half assed apology then dying.
I was hoping for a legit talk between them. X_X.

Just waiting for Orochimaru to turn back to his original good self.
 

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I have no problems with bonds. But the ones you speak of are detrimental, and that's why it upsets ppl.
 

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Also man, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions.." there are people who do Wrong but do it--or believe they are doing it--for the "Right" reason.. so even when these guys, like Pain, think they are helping in the long run, they are truly doing evil things, but they don't see it that way. so what is right and wrong? how far can it go either way? how much can one person or people forgive? Is doing "wrong" in support of the good of the many "right?" even if the "many" also disagree and think it's wrong? it's just something that allows people--regardless of religious or spiritual or moral ideals--to question the black and white and see the gray..
 

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It's like saying Bush was friends with Osama and after the 9/11 attacks instead of having him at the very least own up to the bad things done invites him back to the white house for a drink.
 

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It's like saying Bush was friends with Osama and after the 9/11 attacks instead of having him at the very least own up to the bad things done invites him back to the white house for a drink.

- did they go through the same hardships?

- Did they live their lives as loners?

And I don't see how its even close ot being the same.. o_O.
 

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Agreed. I hate people with a raikage mindset, no offense.
 

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- did they go through the same hardships?

- Did they live their lives as loners?

And I don't see how its even close ot being the same.. o_O.

It doesn't change the "hypothetical" bond. Mother's aren't loners but will go to hell and back for their child. Either way the bonds listed are detrimental, and in most cases life threatening. That's not healthy.
 

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Considering everything, it was still nonsensical.
 
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