Hagoromo didn't create the moon on his deathbed. #MANGAFACT

[KidGamer65]

KG, you're gonna be eating your words in the upcoming chapters.

I really don't see how you're denying any of this.:erm:

Because the manga agrees with me.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Because the manga agrees with me.

It agrees more with me too.

Why are you agreeing with words, but not flashbacks from Kaguya and BZ themselves? There are literally pictures of hagoromo and hamura sealing Kaguya from a flashback.
She even said this was the second time it happened.

 

[KidGamer65]

It agrees more with me too.

Why are you agreeing with words, but not flashbacks from Kaguya and BZ themselves? There are literally pictures of hagoromo and hamura sealing Kaguya from a flashback.
She even said this was the second time it happened.

I've already addressed this in my reply to AlphaScthian

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

I've already addressed this in my reply to AlphaScthian

Okay, we'll see.

I'm correct btw.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Yet we have statements from Hagoromo himself saying that he was the Jin.
Not really. There is no translation you can find that'll take "We sealed the Juubi inside myself" or "I broke up the Juubi inside me into parts and named them" and completely change their meanings.

That's the only explanation, but then again. Really? Why would he lie? He has no reason to. Hagoromo has also made it pretty clear that he couldn't interact with the outside world until now, so I dunno why you are asking why he hasn't fought Kaguya or Madara.



1. Don't know who told you that is how it works, but it isn't. Especially when there is more evidence on the side of the old manga facts.

2. There is no scan showing Juubi/Kaguya being sealed in the moon by Hagoromo and Hamura. Only a scan showing them initiating the seal, you don't know what happened after that, but Hagoromo made it pretty clear that they sealed it inside of him.

And we also have statements of BZ telling other story. Hagoromo hasnt even mentioned BZ once but look at what BZ pulled off. Extremely Suspicious


There was translation suggesting juubi was sealed into him and hamura.
I may agree that he obtained big junk of juubi chakra and sealed it in himself but he was never a jin of juubi and gedo. We have only one moon gedo and kaguya couldnt be sealed apart.


Hago couldnt interact with world but he could become transmigrant and correct his shit.
He could also give some chakra to anyone who was in near death situation along with save the world mission earlier.
Also why hasnt he invoked hamura to help but some fodder kages?


1. Yes thats the common sense rule. Every new info on same topic prevails over old one and pics prevail over statements.

2. I know what happens after the seal we saw it.
sharinnegan gets denied.
juubi turns into CT core.
Chaka split.
BZ was spit out like madz.

Again you cling too much to hago statements. But i find it too weird that he failed to see his mom in juubi. Failed to see BZ over all this years especially when he was contacting his sons.
Weirdly enough he has hamura's yin power and hamura isnt in pure plane to help with summoning. Like really all you got is his lame statement while rest screams against it.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

And we also have statements of BZ telling other story. Hagoromo hasnt even mentioned BZ once but look at what BZ pulled off. Extremely Suspicious


There was translation suggesting juubi was sealed into him and hamura.
I may agree that he obtained big junk of juubi chakra and sealed it in himself but he was never a jin of juubi and gedo. We have only one moon gedo and kaguya couldnt be sealed apart.


Hago couldnt interact with world but he could become transmigrant and correct his shit.
He could also give some chakra to anyone who was in near death situation along with save the world mission earlier.
Also why hasnt he invoked hamura to help but some fodder kages?


1. Yes thats the common sense rule. Every new info on same topic prevails over old one and pics prevail over statements.

2. I know what happens after the seal we saw it.
sharinnegan gets denied.
juubi turns into CT core.
Chaka split.
BZ was spit out like madz.

Again you cling too much to hago statements. But i find it too weird that he failed to see his mom in juubi. Failed to see BZ over all this years especially when he was contacting his sons.
Weirdly enough he has hamura's yin power and hamura isnt in pure plane to help with summoning. Like really all you got is his lame statement while rest screams against it.

Last paragraph is how I feel. Including your second point.

We've seen how Kaguya was sealed, and Kaguya even has a flashback.

 

[KCMNaruto]

agreed.

New mangafacts>old mangafacts. (for all those who use hagoromo's claims)
I guess hagoromo lied muahahaha

Yeah believe Kishi current horrble writting in opposite to Kishi's great writting back then.
Seems leggit

Actually, the moon already existed before because Kaguya used IT


So there is some sort of retcon

another fanboy of Kamui, who try to bring anyone other down.
futile attempt.Kishi's superb writting > Kishi shitty Current writting

I made a thread like this months ago, manga keeps going towards in my favor.

Yeah , because it become more nad more bullshit, right ?
sure, I love ass pulls.

It may have been drawn that way for parallelism for all we know.....Or it may be the seal that they were using to make Hago the Jinchuriki.
Anyway the backstory of the sage and Kaguya is still not clear......so until stated otherwise we must go with Hago's explanation!!

Exactly but haters will try to put him down.

I know that he's OP as hell without it, but its a manga fact that he had it.

Indeed he is

TO OP, stop trying to decline the manga trying to make it fit to your opinion/image of it.

I will show you how wrong you are showing pointing out in order what did happened.

1) Kaguya eats forbidden fruit and gains Holy power
2) Kaguya give birth/create Hagoromo/Hamura (possibly by accident or maybe she was pregnant before eating forbidden fruit)
3) Kaguya cares about Hagoromo and Hamura rising them, somehow she becomes normal mother
4) Hagoromo and Hamura grown up from childhood spreading chakra other, at least Hagoromo was
5) Kaguya stops caring as Hamura and Hagoromo are not children and she found out that HER chakra was spreaded
6) Kaguya cast limited IT on people before, trying to regain chakra but it wasn't enough
7) Kaguya loses her mind or get so mad that somehow absorb God Tree changing in Juubi
8) Juubi attack everyone trying to regain spreader by Kaguya's sons chakra. Finally Hagoromo and Hamura try to stop her.
9) Hagormo and Hamura beat Juubi then places their yin-yang seal sealing Juubi in Hagoromo
10) Hamura sacrifices himself stopping IT(assumption). Hagoromo recreate the world after their battle against Juubi
11) Hagoromo lives as Juubi Jinchurki keep teaching Ninshu to people while thinking Kaguya died/disappeared.
12) Ashura and Indra as born and Hagoromo cares about them(possible Hagoromo had wife before becoming Juubi jin)
13) At death bed Hagoromo unseal Juubi seperating it's chakra from body. From the chakra he creates tailed beasts giving them form while sending empty Juubi's husk in space.
14) Hagoromo chooses Ashura as successor then dies from old age and exeggerating yourself too much.
15) Hagoromo dies loosing human body becoming chakra spirit while Ashura and Indra conflict begin.

Assumptions based on manga fact:
- Kaguya was pregnant before eating forbidden fruit
- Hagoromo impregnates normal woman before fighting Juubi
- Hagoromo and Hamura used same seal on Juubi but they sealed it in Hagoromo instead. when kaguya turned in mass of chakra Bijuu were already shown as separated while before Hagoromo did it It was Just Juubi so Juubi was sealed in Hagoromo
- Hamura sacrificed his life stopping IT/ or get back to his family being forgotten by Black Zetsu
- Hagoromo find out about his lover/wife giving birth so Ashura and Indra are born

 

[KisuneUchiha]

I made a thread like this months ago, manga keeps going towards in my favor.

Whose alt are you?

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Whose alt are you?

I'm not an alt, I literally made a thread like this months ago on this same account.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Yeah believe Kishi current horrble writting in opposite to Kishi's great writting back then.
Seems leggit



another fanboy of Kamui, who try to bring anyone other down.
futile attempt.Kishi's superb writting > Kishi shitty Current writting



Yeah , because it become more nad more bullshit, right ?
sure, I love ass pulls.



Exactly but haters will try to put him down.



Indeed he is

TO OP, stop trying to decline the manga trying to make it fit to your opinion/image of it.

I will show you how wrong you are showing pointing out in order what did happened.

1) Kaguya eats forbidden fruit and gains Holy power
2) Kaguya give birth/create Hagoromo/Hamura (possibly by accident or maybe she was pregnant before eating forbidden fruit)
3) Kaguya cares about Hagoromo and Hamura rising them, somehow she becomes normal mother
4) Hagoromo and Hamura grown up from childhood spreading chakra other, at least Hagoromo was
5) Kaguya stops caring as Hamura and Hagoromo are not children and she found out that HER chakra was spreaded
6) Kaguya cast limited IT on people before, trying to regain chakra but it wasn't enough
7) Kaguya loses her mind or get so mad that somehow absorb God Tree changing in Juubi
8) Juubi attack everyone trying to regain spreader by Kaguya's sons chakra. Finally Hagoromo and Hamura try to stop her.
9) Hagormo and Hamura beat Juubi then places their yin-yang seal sealing Juubi in Hagoromo
10) Hamura sacrifices himself stopping IT(assumption). Hagoromo recreate the world after their battle against Juubi
11) Hagoromo lives as Juubi Jinchurki keep teaching Ninshu to people while thinking Kaguya died/disappeared.
12) Ashura and Indra as born and Hagoromo cares about them(possible Hagoromo had wife before becoming Juubi jin)
13) At death bed Hagoromo unseal Juubi seperating it's chakra from body. From the chakra he creates tailed beasts giving them form while sending empty Juubi's husk in space.
14) Hagoromo chooses Ashura as successor then dies from old age and exeggerating yourself too much.
15) Hagoromo dies loosing human body becoming chakra spirit while Ashura and Indra conflict begin.

Assumptions based on manga fact:
- Kaguya was pregnant before eating forbidden fruit
- Hagoromo impregnates normal woman before fighting Juubi
- Hagoromo and Hamura used same seal on Juubi but they sealed it in Hagoromo instead. when kaguya turned in mass of chakra Bijuu were already shown as separated while before Hagoromo did it It was Just Juubi so Juubi was sealed in Hagoromo
- Hamura sacrificed his life stopping IT/ or get back to his family being forgotten by Black Zetsu
- Hagoromo find out about his lover/wife giving birth so Ashura and Indra are born

I'll accept your apology for being wrong and calling me wrong

 

[KCMNaruto]

I'll accept your apology for being wrong and calling me wrong

I also accept your apology so better get ready, I feel manga comming according to what I said

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

I also accept your apology so better get ready, I feel manga comming according to what I said

Can't ignore flashbacks.

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They did that and hagoromo took the chakra of the juubi and later in life created the bijuu with that chakra.

 

[KCMNaruto]

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They did that and hagoromo took the chakra of the juubi and later in life created the bijuu with that chakra.

Possible, but Kaguya only remembered her sons placing seal on her while she was Juubi in the same way as Naruto and Sasuke has done in last chapter. Still nothing implies the Chibaku Tensei was used then, notice that Hagoromo is only one who uses Chibaku tensei in last chapter while in past Hagoromo was also contributing placing seal on her so we don't know how it worked for all we know it may absorb Juubi into one of their bodies. Hagoromo placing seal faster caused him to become Juubi host.

This is also possible that your version is correct. Unless if you try to put down Hagoromo hyping Madara then sorry, but JJ Hagoormo using Nunoboko sword was able to reacreate the World, Obito stated it.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Possible, but Kaguya only remembered her sons placing seal on her while she was Juubi in the same way as Naruto and Sasuke has done in last chapter. Still nothing implies the Chibaku Tensei was used then, notice that Hagoromo is only one who uses Chibaku tensei in last chapter while in past Hagoromo was also contributing placing seal on her so we don't know how it worked for all we know it may absorb Juubi into one of their bodies. Hagoromo placing seal faster caused him to become Juubi host.

This is also possible that your version is correct. Unless if you try to put down Hagoromo hyping Madara then sorry, but JJ Hagoormo using Nunoboko sword was able to reacreate the World, Obito stated it.

Nothing implies that chibaku tensei was used? What?

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BZ states it here.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Nothing implies that chibaku tensei was used? What?

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BZ states it here.

It would be fine, and I would agree however the problem is Black Zetsu reffered to Gedo Mazou as Juubi's body/shell in past. It is possible that in this scan he was reffering to Gedo Mazou being sealed while Hagoromo was at the death bed

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

It would be fine, and I would agree however the problem is Black Zetsu reffered to Gedo Mazou as Juubi's body/shell in past. It is possible that in this scan he was reffering to Gedo Mazou being sealed while Hagoromo was at the death bed

Exactly, I said hagoromo and hamura sealed the Mazo into the moon (which is a fact) while they sealed the chakra into hagoromo.

Only thing hagoromo probably did on his deathbed is COAT which created the bijuu.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Exactly, I said hagoromo and hamura sealed the Mazo into the moon (which is a fact) while they sealed the chakra into hagoromo.

Only thing hagoromo probably did on his deathbed is COAT which created the bijuu.

No, that is your interpretation of BZ words.

The fact is Hagoromo and Hamura sealed Juubi in Hagoromo and The fact is that Juubi was sealed in the moon, however due to Black Zetsu reffering to Gedo Mazou also as Juubi we can not be certain if it was Juubi or Gedo Mazou which was sealed into moon until Manga states otherwise, both are possible.

Until Manga specify it, There is no certain 100% connection between Hagoromo and Hamura using seal and Juubi not Gedo Mazou being sent in space creating the moon

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

No, that is your interpretation of BZ words.

The fact is Hagoromo and Hamura sealed Juubi in Hagoromo and The fact is that Juubi was sealed in the moon, however due to Black Zetsu reffering to Gedo Mazou also as Juubi we can not be certain if it was Juubi or Gedo Mazou which was sealed into moon until Manga states otherwise, both are possible.

Until Manga specify it, There is no certain 100% connection between Hagoromo and Hamura using seal and Juubi not Gedo Mazou being sent in space creating the moon

Madara himself summoned the Gedo Mazo from the moon.......

 

[KCMNaruto]

Madara himself summoned the Gedo Mazo from the moon.......

Yes but it still doesn't ensure us if your version of Gedo Mazou being sealed by Hagoromo and Hamura into Moon while chakra was sealed in Hagoromo or if Hagoromo sending it into space at death bed is correct. In other words we have two versions:

Yours: Hagoromo and Hamura place seal on Juubi, creating moon from it while all chakra was somehow absorbed and sealed in Hagoromo. Later Hagoromo created only Tailed beasts from chakra.

Mine: Hagoromo and Hamura place seal on Juubi, sealing Juubi in Hagoromo then at deathbed Hagoromo extract it seperating it's chakra from body. from chakra we got tailed beasts , the body aka Gedo Mazou is sent into space creating moon.

IN both scenario Gedo Mazou is in Moon , so both versions can fit. Your may be more possibily, but it not make it absolute. If BZ wasn't reffering to GM as Juubi then you would be right, and this discussion would be pointless.

I hope you see my point now

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Yes but it still doesn't ensure us if your version of Gedo Mazou being sealed by Hagoromo and Hamura into Moon while chakra was sealed in Hagoromo or if Hagoromo sending it into space at death bed is correct. In other words we have two versions:

Yours: Hagoromo and Hamura place seal on Juubi, creating moon from it while all chakra was somehow absorbed and sealed in Hagoromo. Later Hagoromo created only Tailed beasts from chakra.

Mine: Hagoromo and Hamura place seal on Juubi, sealing Juubi in Hagoromo then at deathbed Hagoromo extract it seperating it's chakra from body. from chakra we got tailed beasts , the body aka Gedo Mazou is sent into space creating moon.

IN both scenario Gedo Mazou is in Moon , so both versions can fit. Your may be more possibily, but it not make it absolute. If BZ wasn't reffering to GM as Juubi then you would be right, and this discussion would be pointless.

I hope you see my point now

Yeah, to add on to yours, it's possible now that I think about. Because hagoromo has both seals, therefore he could do it himself and make it the moon.

But these scans is what's making believe that hagoromo just got the chakra and sealed the remains, the Mazo into the moon.

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