Urahara is one of the strongest/most-skilled captain/ex-captain in the series, probably enters the top 5,or at least, top 10 of all who were ever shown to be captains. IDK why people put him down just because they see it fit for their argument. -.-"
Why woud I put him down for an argument when he is one of my favourite characters? I sat facts, its a fact that Urahara is no stronger then Quilge, and I rank him based in tht fact.
He can't be like that, since he has emotion while being alive. And powers he has while being zombie is not part of his power level.
How that prove anything? If Vizards were to fought Tier and loss, then yeah, your argument would be valid.. On top of that Hitsugaya was in advantage, considering that ice > water and Vizards didn't use their bankais.
Yes it is. His power as a Zombie is the exact same as it was when he was mortal, the only difference is that as a Zombie, he is BL. The Vizards bar Shinji, have not shown the power to take down Harribel. Hitsugaya had no such advantage, it was made clear that while Ice > Water, Water > Ice also. They both had the opportunity to use each others power against themselves.
First time Yoruichi got serious, fight literally ended. It was not base Mask De Masculine. Mask De Masculine already used Schrift, he was a couple of times powered by James.
For the record, Kensei one shoted Mask, that just 10 seconds ago beaten three VC level, with not breaking a sweat.
It was still base Mask De Masculine, unless you want to tell me it was Volstandig? And he only got powered up twice by James. Mask beat the Vice Captains because he hit them from behind, and they had no intel on his ability, so he beat them the same way he beat Kensei.
Gillians are comparable to VC level, just by one shoting a couple of Gillians give you a good feats. It don't mean that it doesn necessary to be that they are weaker, but compare that + their feats and hype...
Others got other powers, others trained hard as well.
It won't change my argument here at all. If that happened it would just mean that all characters jumped to the higher power levels, not that Vizards still is low tier.
They are low tier captains compared to current Captains, that was my point since the beginning, I don't know what yor point is but it does not concern me if its not a counter to my original statement.
That won't necessary change my point here, just by being weakest doesn't mean that you will be low tier.
Why woud I put him down for an argument when he is one of my favourite characters? I sat facts, its a fact that Urahara is no stronger then Quilge, and I rank him based in tht fact.
Since when was that a fact? That's just a statement you made. -,-"
How is we weaker than Quilge? Even if rank it as scared, that's only portrayal, which you don't seem to trust much considering that pink-haired guy being portrayed as the weakest visored was someone you ranked as the stronger than Kensei and Rose.
Umm, how does that relate to this discussion? This is what you said:
By that, you're saying that pre-TS Kenpachi is somehow comparable to Yamamoto or someone who is only inferior to Yamamoto, and that was obviously not the case.
So? His bankai is still featless til it has feats. Do you want me to use featless bankai(s) as an argument as well? You wouldn't want that.
Torn down, LOL. Isshin was the one who tore him down. Aizen one-shotted the rest of the captains who were left when all his Espadas were defeated. Aizen wasn't even hit once other than Yamamoto's kido, and seeing his shape after taking it, I daresay it didn't do much. Halfway the fight, Aizen started to say he was on the limit of his being Shinigami. He was on that because he could not do anything to defeat Isshin and he was pushed to use the Hougyoku, it started to completely devour him when Urahara came and at that point, he was clearly losing. He started stomping the trio when he was fully cocoon.
LOL. No. Base Isshin would stomp pre-TS Bankai Byakuya. You're just fanboying now. Isshin's flick kidos are probably enough to take pre-TS Shikai Byakuya down. It doesn't matter about matchups, you're only making excuses now, if Gin really did have that kind of power, then he can defeat Byakuya as well with a low diff battle. He wasn't using it, why would he think he would? It was obvious that at that point, Aizen was still vastly superior to Gin, who was stomping Ichigo, who beat Byakuya. And that was just Shikai Gin. And that point of Aizen is << Isshin, so Isshin >>>> pre-TS Byakuya The excuses to hype Byakuya are sad so I'm just gonna ignore them.
What's your basis that he could deliver the same attack? Nothing. You don't have anything to prove that he can replicate the feat.
LOL. That's already denying the main point of my post. Yes, if he can deliver that kind of attack, he will defeat Shunsui, together with your beloved pre-TS Byakuya.
What? I don't get any of this part other than saying that Isshin was dying when Aizen hit him. And that part is hilarious.
Isshin had enough strength to stand back up, walk around, and open senkaimon, then use his reiatsu to do that kaikyo kotei thing.
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Running like that isn't something a dying man can do. Isshin wasn't fighting any hollow, he was only fighting Aizen together with Yoruichi and Urahara, you're guessing silly stuff now. To tank something is taking an attack without losing your composure, falling on your feet doesn't mean you didn't tank it if you stand back up almost immediately, which is what happened with Isshin.
This is what happened.
> Cocoon Aizen stopped Gin and Ichigo's fight by being suddenly there.
> Cocoon Aizen and Gin left quickly.
> Isshin stood up.
> Ichigo helped him stand up.
> Isshin headbutted Ichigo.
> Ichigo was afraid of Aizen and didn't want to pursue him.
> Isshin then pushed Ichigo then walked to open a senkaimon on his own.
> Ichigo went with him after realizing irrelevant stuff.
> Ichigo and Isshin ran to get to the human world as quickly as they can.
> Isshin used his reiatsu to help Ichigo get stronger.
If he still had that much reiatsu and physical capabilities, then he did tank it.
If you read FT, it's kind of like Erza taking Terra Clamare and standing back up almost right after taking it.
The only problem is, Aizen left right after attacking the 3.
Isshin stood back up like half a minute after showing the panel that they were down, and his shape after standing back up seemed like he could still fight, albeit could still get stomped by Cocoon Aizen. By that, he did tank it.
What I'm saying is no other captains besides Yama an zaraki have been shown to take multiples hits an keep fighting as if they won't damaged at all.
You said current Byakuya shein no feats that's puts him past pre-TS Byakuya so I said we can clearly see he's stronger now that his shikai is on or above the level of his old bankai.
Yea he one shotted them by useing ks..naw he reached the limits of his body thanks to the hogyoku wanting to take over..stop ur isshin fanboyism cuz gokei would kill base isshin in a heart beat,Byakuya is a smart fighter that uses kido aswell so no base isshin does in a fight with Byakuya...match ups do matter that's why ukitake told kyoraku he should fight starkk cuz his powers work better against starrk an no one thinks ukitake is stronger than kyoraku,it would take gin longer to beat Byakuya cuz Byakuya also stands far away from his opponent aswell when he fights..an shikai gin did what?...not hypeing Byakuya just telling facts....an yea gin knew he needed to make sure he deactivated ks before attacking aizen.
Isshin has to land that attack first which will be very hard to do fighting against kyoraku while kyoraku can use his abilities in a very tricky way...isshin beat kyoraku an Byakuya together yea an I'm the one being a fanboy huh lol.
When isshin was fighting that hollow thing when right before Masaki saved him from it when isshin was telling ichigo about what happend in the past an hoe he has Quincy DNA in him,aizen gave him a simple slash an after that isshin could not activate his shikai,that's showing me that isshin is not as tough as you think he is...an when I said isshin dying I meant he is hit by Yama flames he's a dead man.
Lol if you need help to get up you Did not tank it if you fall you did not tank it go watch zaraki vs noritora an him vs gremmy that's tanking, showing no sings of pain or needing help to get on your feet.
What you said, now is current Zaraki is stronger than Pre Muken Zaraki, you did nothing to further your argument here.
Unohana is also dead. I agree.
How do you know that Hitsugaya would finish Rose and how do you know flow of the battle? Hitsugaya was if I remember correctly, surprised with strength of Vizards, as well that both Lisa and Hiyori (one of the weakest Vizards), were able to fight Tier in the same manner as Hitsugaya did.
It prove my argument here.
Mask Kensei was able to outpaced all Vizards, so I don't think that she had much more superior speed than him, yes she has superior speed, but I do not believe that she would be able to speed blitz him.. Her bankai wasn't able to beat Barragan.
Also, Sui Feng was surprised with strength of other Vizards not to mention that mostly of Vizards didn't even used their shikai.
I do not think that you really get well.... Just by not being captain, doesn't mean that you are not on that level, I will show you.
One can still be weakest captain but still being average captain level. Just by being on the bottom, doesn't neccessary mean that they are low tier captain level. 1st Generation of Gotei was said to be strongest of all generations, doesn that mean that 4 weakest are low tier. Maybe, but it's very unlikely.
Rose and Kensei were at least low tier captain level 100 years ago.
1. They trained for their hollows, and they Masks increase their power by good deal.
2. Not just that they trained for masks, they also trained 100 years for fighting Aizen, as was stated.
There is not possible for two of them to be just low tier captain levels, when both of them were at least on that level 100 years ago.
Far above captain level:
Yamamoto
Above Captain Level:
Urahara
Shinigami Aizen
Isshin
Unohana
Current Zaraki
Human Komamura
Senior captain level / High captain level:
Yoruichi (probably can be higher)
Kyoraku
Ukitake
RR Renji
RR Byakuya
RR Rukia
Gin
Shinji
Average captain level / Mid captain level:
Pre Muken Kenpachi
Pre RR Byakuya
Hitsugaya
Kensei (at least)
Rose
Love
Sui Feng (War arc) (at best)
Shinigami Kaname Tosen (at best)
Low tier captain level:
Mayuri
Pre War Sui Feng
Komamura
Possible Other Vizards
Since when was that a fact? That's just a statement you made. -,-"
How is we weaker than Quilge? Even if rank it as scared, that's only portrayal, which you don't seem to trust much considering that pink-haired guy being portrayed as the weakest visored was someone you ranked as the stronger than Kensei and Rose.
Oh, so when it comes to supporting your claim you won't look twice about ignoring portrayal, that's interesting. Urahara certainly does not have the feats to beat Quilge either way. Hachi was never portrayed as the weakest Vizord, he was trained by the god of Kido, Tessei. That's more hype then anyone else has, bar maybe Shinji.
BS. No. Pre-TS Zaraki is Shunsui level at best. What has Zaraki ever taken that comes close to anything like Yoruichi's onslaught on Aizen that didn't KO him?
You said current Byakuya shein no feats that's puts him past pre-TS Byakuya so I said we can clearly see he's stronger now that his shikai is on or above the level of his old bankai.
Whatever. I kinda get where you're coming from now.
Yea he one shotted them by useing ks..naw he reached the limits of his body thanks to the hogyoku wanting to take over..stop ur isshin fanboyism cuz gokei would kill base isshin in a heart beat,Byakuya is a smart fighter that uses kido aswell so no base isshin does in a fight with Byakuya...
LOL at Isshin fanboyism, does Isshin even have a fanbase? Pathetic. Don't try to flip the table, you're the one fanboying on Byakuya.
He one-shotted them all, yet somehow, he was exhausted during the fight? LOL. Just.......LOL. If he did one-shot them, then he was pretty much still fresh. Common Sense. Use it.
match ups do matter that's why ukitake told kyoraku he should fight starkk cuz his powers work better against starrk an no one thinks ukitake is stronger than kyoraku,it would take gin longer to beat Byakuya cuz Byakuya also stands far away from his opponent aswell when he fights..an shikai gin did what?...not hypeing Byakuya just telling facts....an yea gin knew he needed to make sure he deactivated ks before attacking aizen.
Okay, whatever, you try to explain to me how a fight between Byakuya and Gin would be different. What does Byakuya have that Ichigo didn't? His Shikai is already enough to fodderize Ichigo. Gin is simply on a different level than your Byakuya, when Gin was still way weaker than Aizen. The same Aizen who Base Isshin was pretty much beating.
Isshin has to land that attack first which will be very hard to do fighting against kyoraku while kyoraku can use his abilities in a very tricky way...isshin beat kyoraku an Byakuya together yea an I'm the one being a fanboy huh lol.
Of course Isshin has to land it, but the fact that he could outright remove himself out of Aizen's eyesight suggests to me that he has enough speed to land it on Shunsui. What are Shunsui's best reflex speed anyway? :dunno:
Umm. No. We're powerscaling here, the thread isn't Isshin vs Kyoraku. The fact that he has the firepower to defeat him, means he can defeat him. Yeah, he does. Isshin might as well stomp pre-TS Byakuya in the ass. It's not like he's much of a factor if it was Kyoraku and Byakuya vs Isshin. :3
When isshin was fighting that hollow thing when right before Masaki saved him from it when isshin was telling ichigo about what happend in the past an hoe he has Quincy DNA in him,aizen gave him a simple slash an after that isshin could not activate his shikai,that's showing me that isshin is not as tough as you think he is...an when I said isshin dying I meant he is hit by Yama flames he's a dead man.
Lol if you need help to get up you Did not tank it if you fall you did not tank it go watch zaraki vs noritora an him vs gremmy that's tanking, showing no sings of pain or needing help to get on your feet.
LOL. He was not battle ready. Pretty much the same as barraging an attack on someone who's not even trying to defend themselves. He wasn't fighting Aizen. It was a cheap shot, and even then, he pretty much stayed conscious unlike Shunsui and continued fighting the, at the very least, VC level Arrancar (if it's an arrancar?). Also, that was obviously a substance of the plot to connect the dots of the story.
The fact still remains that Gin didn't have to use Bankai to defeat Ichigo. Even if he had, I don't see him taking Aizen in the same manner Isshin was doing, since if he could, he would've already tried to kill the guy. And we know that Shikai Gin >>> Bankai Byakuya, so yeah. Byakuya isn't doing anything to Isshin. Post-TS, best Byakuya can do is lose high diff or at the very most, stalemate him.
LOL again, was it shown that he stood up on his own, no? Why not? Coz Ichigo came. There wasn't anything showing us he couldn't have done it on his own. Moments after, seconds later I daresay, he stood back up on his own and was already running. Using his reiatsu and let it get depleted. That was tanking. How can I watch Zaraki vs Gremmy? -_-"
BS. No. Pre-TS Zaraki is Shunsui level at best. What has Zaraki ever taken that comes close to anything like Yoruichi's onslaught on Aizen that didn't KO him?
Whatever. I kinda get where you're coming from now.
LOL at Isshin fanboyism, does Isshin even have a fanbase? Pathetic. Don't try to flip the table, you're the one fanboying on Byakuya.
He one-shotted them all, yet somehow, he was exhausted during the fight? LOL. Just.......LOL. If he did one-shot them, then he was pretty much still fresh. Common Sense. Use it.
Okay, whatever, you try to explain to me how a fight between Byakuya and Gin would be different. What does Byakuya have that Ichigo didn't? His Shikai is already enough to fodderize Ichigo. Gin is simply on a different level than your Byakuya, when Gin was still way weaker than Aizen. The same Aizen who Base Isshin was pretty much beating.
Of course Isshin has to land it, but the fact that he could outright remove himself out of Aizen's eyesight suggests to me that he has enough speed to land it on Shunsui. What are Shunsui's best reflex speed anyway? :dunno:
Umm. No. We're powerscaling here, the thread isn't Isshin vs Kyoraku. The fact that he has the firepower to defeat him, means he can defeat him. Yeah, he does. Isshin might as well stomp pre-TS Byakuya in the ass. It's not like he's much of a factor if it was Kyoraku and Byakuya vs Isshin. :3
LOL. He was not battle ready. Pretty much the same as barraging an attack on someone who's not even trying to defend themselves. He wasn't fighting Aizen. It was a cheap shot, and even then, he pretty much stayed conscious unlike Shunsui and continued fighting the, at the very least, VC level Arrancar (if it's an arrancar?). Also, that was obviously a substance of the plot to connect the dots of the story.
The fact still remains that Gin didn't have to use Bankai to defeat Ichigo. Even if he had, I don't see him taking Aizen in the same manner Isshin was doing, since if he could, he would've already tried to kill the guy. And we know that Shikai Gin >>> Bankai Byakuya, so yeah. Byakuya isn't doing anything to Isshin. Post-TS, best Byakuya can do is lose high diff or at the very most, stalemate him.
LOL again, was it shown that he stood up on his own, no? Why not? Coz Ichigo came. There wasn't anything showing us he couldn't have done it on his own. Moments after, seconds later I daresay, he stood back up on his own and was already running. Using his reiatsu and let it get depleted. That was tanking. How can I watch Zaraki vs Gremmy? -_-"
What hits did kyoraku take that was comparable to zaraki vs noritora? Yea none...lol aizen was powered by hogyoku of course he took that like it was noting now let that had just been aizen without hogyoku his whole body would have been broken apart..why bring aizen into this anyway?..when it comes to stamina an toughness pre-TS zaraki >kyoraku...if we talking power wise at that time an who's stronger then I choose kyoraku.
Like I said he one shotted them mostly by using ks which isshin was lucky to have not faced...yes isshin has a fan base alot of people think he's greater than the seconding coming of Jesus...but we don't know how long the hogyoku was in him an just waiting to transform him an take over..but if you think isshin that strong than good for you.
Like I said Byakuya is also long range not longer than gin but he's still long range,ichigo trying to fight close rage with gin is not good for ichigo at all where as Byakuya in bankai never tries to fight close range period, gives him a better chance at dodging gins sword if gin bankai can get him out of gokei than yea gin beats pre-TS Byakuya aswell.
Remove himself out of aizen sight? When?...Yama praised kyoraku speed an kyoraku was dodging starkk cero at close range.
.lol pre-ts Byakuya petals can kill any captain if he lands a good clean hit with gokei so does that make him the strongest captain?..kyoraku also had the power to bring down isshin they all have power that can bring down one another what matters is can they land the hit..base/shikai isshin does have a chance at beating pre-TS bankai Byakuya by it will be threw hard work...an once again Byakuya an kyoraku vs isshin is not even fair for isshin he will get bullied.
Plot or no plot it still happend showing me isshin is not that tough as you make him out to be...an I believe kyoraku was awake once aizen cut him down I believe it showed his face at some point or was it hitsugiya's I can't remember...
Gin did not use bankai to defeat ichigo then I guess we are reading different mangas we have to be..an like I said gin can't make a move in aizen knowing he could be put in ks...yea they might stalemate or Byakuya wins most likely.
Lol no that's not tanking,tanking is staying on your feet no matter what an keep fighting,like I said what zaraki does is tanking...you can't watch it I meant read it an watch how he tanked everything an stayed on his feet showing no sings of pain.
That's it. I'm too tired of this debate. Agree to disagree. All I see is fanboying. I'll only reply to those (in this post) I really can't agree with then you can do whatever you want from then.
What hits did kyoraku take that was comparable to zaraki vs noritora? Yea none...lol aizen was powered by hogyoku of course he took that like it was noting now let that had just been aizen without hogyoku his whole body would have been broken apart..why bring aizen into this anyway?..when it comes to stamina an toughness pre-TS zaraki >kyoraku...if we talking power wise at that time an who's stronger then I choose kyoraku.
WHAAAAAAT? What are you talking about? If Shunsui can't even tank Zaraki's slash, how is he surviving Getsuga Tensho which wrecked Cocoon Aizen's face? The same Cocoon Aizen who tanked an onslaught from Yoruichi, an attack from Urahara's shikai and some other assaults from the trio.
Like I said he one shotted them mostly by using ks which isshin was lucky to have not faced...yes isshin has a fan base alot of people think he's greater than the seconding coming of Jesus...but we don't know how long the hogyoku was in him an just waiting to transform him an take over..but if you think isshin that strong than good for you.
So? It still happened. He lasted against him much longer, practically stomped him during most part of their fight. KS, I don't see shikai boosting your power more than 10x, in which case, Shikai Isshin would still be near Aizen, who was on the same level, if not higher, than Base Aizen. Well, whatever, I don't care about his fanbase neither am I a fan, I'm stating my conception of the portrayal of/and feats here. We don't know, yeah, therefore, we should assume the worse because we don't like Isshin. Yeah right, great logic, dude. Keep it up.
Like I said Byakuya is also long range not longer than gin but he's still long range,ichigo trying to fight close rage with gin is not good for ichigo at all where as Byakuya in bankai never tries to fight close range period, gives him a better chance at dodging gins sword if gin bankai can get him out of gokei than yea gin beats pre-TS Byakuya aswell.
It's not like Ichigo didn't do a long-range fight. He did, he fired Getsuga Tensho's and all were tanked by Gin. Shikai Gin will outclass your Byakuya. Hard.
Remove himself out of aizen sight? When?...Yama praised kyoraku speed an kyoraku was dodging starkk cero at close range.
When he came and made distance using Shunpo to talk to Ichigo for a while when he arrived. Then the most badass part was when he flicked his fingers sending him buildings away. That's >> anything Byakuya's ever done pre-TS.
.lol pre-ts Byakuya petals can kill any captain if he lands a good clean hit with gokei so does that make him the strongest captain?..kyoraku also had the power to bring down isshin they all have power that can bring down one another what matters is can they land the hit..base/shikai isshin does have a chance at beating pre-TS bankai Byakuya by it will be threw hard work...an once again Byakuya an kyoraku vs isshin is not even fair for isshin he will get bullied.
Bold part is ridiculous. Italic is wrong. Soi Fon's bankai hit Barragan but when Wonderweiss came, it looked like he actually just didn't do anything at all during that time he was covered in fire. Underlined is stupid. Kyoraku put up a much much better fight against Aizen, given it's in Shikai, which is forgivable, but Aizen was still getting wrecked by Base Isshin, suggesting, he should at least be able to keep up with Shikai Aizen.
Plot or no plot it still happend showing me isshin is not that tough as you make him out to be...an I believe kyoraku was awake once aizen cut him down I believe it showed his face at some point or was it hitsugiya's I can't remember...
No, he was unconscious and didn't even attempt to fight back after that. Even if he was conscious, he was unable to fight.
Gin did not use bankai to defeat ichigo then I guess we are reading different mangas we have to be..an like I said gin can't make a move in aizen knowing he could be put in ks...yea they might stalemate or Byakuya wins most likely.
Umm, no. Gin was only using his shikai. He used his real bankai when he went to the human world with Aizen.
Lol no that's not tanking,tanking is staying on your feet no matter what an keep fighting,like I said what zaraki does is tanking...you can't watch it I meant read it an watch how he tanked everything an stayed on his feet showing no sings of pain.
To tank something is to stand up after taking an attack and have the ability to continue fighting. Falling on your feet don't mean anything if the one on the receiving end of the attack was still able to stand up and not lose composure after taking the said assault.
To endure something is to continue fighting despite having taken attacks, but with some issues, like depletion of reiatsu.
Do you know the meaning of durability and endurance in VS threads? You don't seem to know what tanking means. :3
That's it. I'm too tired of this debate. Agree to disagree. All I see is fanboying. I'll only reply to those (in this post) I really can't agree with then you can do whatever you want from then.
WHAAAAAAT? What are you talking about? If Shunsui can't even tank Zaraki's slash, how is he surviving Getsuga Tensho which wrecked Cocoon Aizen's face? The same Cocoon Aizen who tanked an onslaught from Yoruichi, an attack from Urahara's shikai and some other assaults from the trio.
So? It still happened. He lasted against him much longer, practically stomped him during most part of their fight. KS, I don't see shikai boosting your power more than 10x, in which case, Shikai Isshin would still be near Aizen, who was on the same level, if not higher, than Base Aizen. Well, whatever, I don't care about his fanbase neither am I a fan, I'm stating my conception of the portrayal of/and feats here. We don't know, yeah, therefore, we should assume the worse because we don't like Isshin. Yeah right, great logic, dude. Keep it up.
It's not like Ichigo didn't do a long-range fight. He did, he fired Getsuga Tensho's and all were tanked by Gin. Shikai Gin will outclass your Byakuya. Hard.
When he came and made distance using Shunpo to talk to Ichigo for a while when he arrived. Then the most badass part was when he flicked his fingers sending him buildings away. That's >> anything Byakuya's ever done pre-TS.
Bold part is ridiculous. Italic is wrong. Soi Fon's bankai hit Barragan but when Wonderweiss came, it looked like he actually just didn't do anything at all during that time he was covered in fire. Underlined is stupid. Kyoraku put up a much much better fight against Aizen, given it's in Shikai, which is forgivable, but Aizen was still getting wrecked by Base Isshin, suggesting, he should at least be able to keep up with Shikai Aizen.
No, he was unconscious and didn't even attempt to fight back after that. Even if he was conscious, he was unable to fight.
Umm, no. Gin was only using his shikai. He used his real bankai when he went to the human world with Aizen.
To tank something is to stand up after taking an attack and have the ability to continue fighting. Falling on your feet don't mean anything if the one on the receiving end of the attack was still able to stand up and not lose composure after taking the said assault.
To endure something is to continue fighting despite having taken attacks, but with some issues, like depletion of reiatsu.
Do you know the meaning of durability and endurance in VS threads? You don't seem to know what tanking means. :3
Whhhaaat? Tank zaraki slash? Who ever said zaraki would slash him I'm so lost? I'm talking about the slashes zaraki took from noritora in their fight kyoraku has never been shown being cut up like that an still standing..an of course kyoraku can't tank isshin getsuga tensho an I never said he could..I said isshin has to be able to land such attack on kyoraku inorder to win which will be hard to do.
Yea he lasted longer aizen did not use ks...You say some dumb stuff when it comes to comparing shikai's lol ks>>>>>getsuga tensho,if cocoon aizen was useing ks isshin getsuga tensho would have never landed cuz aizen would have not been standing there in the first place you can never tell where the real aizen Is standing if he's useing ks that's why it's so deadly more deadlier than getsuga tensho..im just stating facts no one but you would say getsuga tensho is as good as ks.
Ichigo can't just keep firing his getsuga tensho all day that's why he has to find away to get close...lol please go reread so you can see that gin used his bankai from the beginning of his fight with ichigo ..lol this guy said gin was useing shikai lol.
Lol aizen let them Leave aint like he cared did not spoile his plans one bit...we talking bout kyoraku in this part don't bring Byakuya in it an that flick did not do anything so who cares it was also greater than anything Yama did aswell back then so you saying he stronger than Yama?
Why bring up soi fon ur losing me again? That's soi fon we talking bout Byakuya here barrgan aged that missle before it hit anyway an espada got tough skin forgot what it's called so that's another reason I'm talking about captains they don't have that tough skin stuff...I already explained the shikai thing.
Yea he was unable to fight also isshin looked the same way once aizen deliver that sneak attack on him that's why Masaki had to save his life.
Once again go reread an watch gin use bankai as soon as his real fight starts with ichigo..here you go
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Lol no tanking means keep fighting something isshin failed to do cuz he was to busy laying on the ground...what Yama did with wonderwiess is tanking when WW punched Yama multiple times at a very fast rate an then Yama was like is that it...that's tanking if you fall an show sings of pain you failed to tank the attack.
Yes it is. His power as a Zombie is the exact same as it was when he was mortal, the only difference is that as a Zombie, he is BL. The Vizards bar Shinji, have not shown the power to take down Harribel. Hitsugaya had no such advantage, it was made clear that while Ice > Water, Water > Ice also. They both had the opportunity to use each others power against themselves.
He never can be BL while alive, and fighting by himself, so no it isn't. How is Water > Ice?
Kensei, Rose and Love could all beat them. All three of them fought a much strogner opponents (Starrk and WW), and on top of that Rose and Love didn't use bankai, not to mention that Lisa and Hiyori was able to keep up with Tier, and if I remember correctly both Lisa and Hiyori didn't use shikai.
It was still base Mask De Masculine, unless you want to tell me it was Volstandig? And he only got powered up twice by James. Mask beat the Vice Captains because he hit them from behind, and they had no intel on his ability, so he beat them the same way he beat Kensei.
Except for Chojiro and if we don't count RR training no one of VCs are captain level. One of strongest VC Renji even with bankai was beaten by Byakuya, who didn't even got all out, not to mention that when he got serious he defeated him with simple kido spell.
Kira was KOed by Toshiro, just by looking at fight between Toshiro and Gin.
Ikkaku and Yumichika was litarally one shotted by Hitsugaya. There is huge gap between VC and Captain, current except for Renji and Rukia (post RR), no one is on Captain level, actually they are far below that level.
Others got other powers, others trained hard as well.
No one of them didn't get power of hollow and potential to master it, since no one other wasn't hollofied. They didn't know about Aizen betrayel so they didn't train hard as Vizards.
Don't start, because he doesn't. Zaraki basically one shotted seretei, that's only what Yamamotos Bankai is capable of.
Yamamoto done same with FKT, on the contrary, it was implied that he would destroy area much much greater than FKT. Not to mention that it's just his zanpakuto power, on top of that he has kido, shunpo, hakuda, on the other hand Zaraki don't know anything about these catergories. Shikai Yamamoto fodderize Shikai Zaraki.
Unohana also fodderized him but in the end she ended up being weaker than him that shows you how much his strenght as grown..he ain't have no good battle against Yama,Yama mop the floor with him no contest.
Isshin stronger than aizen yea not on this planet not when aizen has ks.
TBH, i don't see Kenpachi that much stronger than Unohana. Unohana was already exhausted fighting Kenpachi and healed him for, like, a thousand times. If Unohana was still at full power, I think we could've still seen a decent fight between the two.
TBH, i don't see Kenpachi that much stronger than Unohana. Unohana was already exhausted fighting Kenpachi and healed him for, like, a thousand times. If Unohana was still at full power, I think we could've still seen a decent fight between the two.
Show me how she was worn down please? Lol no zaraki is way stronger than her when hes at his greatest power she said so herself lets stop ignoring manga facts please.
Show me how she was worn down please? Lol no zaraki is way stronger than her when hes at his greatest power she said so herself lets stop ignoring manga facts please.
No offense, but Are you ignorant or something? She healed Kenpachi almost a million times. If you don't know what hyperbole is, this is it. I'm using it to emphasise the number of times that she healed him. She was worn down. She didn't say that Kenpachi was stronger than her, she said "You were able to make short work of me after awakening your true power." , implying that Kenpachi was stronger than her exhausted self. She had been depleting her reiatsu fighting Kenpachi and repeatedly healing him. At full power, a fight between them would still be won by Kenpachi, albeit with mid-high diff, leaning more towards high.
No offense, but Are you ignorant or something? She healed Kenpachi almost a million times. If you don't know what hyperbole is, this is it. I'm using it to emphasise the number of times that she healed him. She was worn down. She didn't say that Kenpachi was stronger than her, she said "You were able to make short work of me after awakening your true power." , implying that Kenpachi was stronger than her exhausted self. She had been depleting her reiatsu fighting Kenpachi and repeatedly healing him. At full power, a fight between them would still be won by Kenpachi, albeit with mid-high diff, leaning more towards high.
LOL. Funniest post ever. She said kid Zaraki had the potential to be stronger than her. Actually, she only said "This kid is befitting of the name Kenpachi." Don't make stuff up.
LOL. Funniest post ever. She said kid Zaraki had the potential to be stronger than her. Actually, she only said "This kid is befitting of the name Kenpachi." Don't make stuff up.
