Naruto's Idealism or Sasuke's Realist views:Which is more suited for change in NV?

[EternalFlame]

Probably Sasuke.

He's been at both both ends of the spectrum. "Peace" and "Hatred" - He understands more then anyone.

Naruto wants "True Peace" - What a lovely dream. Recently we found out people will be able to "understand" eachover by connecting... but here's the problem... that shit needs to be optional otherwise Naruto is just forcing people to accept his ideals. If he forces people to "understand" then he's no better then Obito, he's essentially taking away free-will away. There's always going to be someone out there that's bad and that's something Naruto needs to accept.

Sasuke knows there will never be "true" peace and while his methods may be more extreme, he definitely can do the dirty work that sometimes needs to be done. He knows there can't be true peace but he also knows something in the system needs to change to make things better because clearly things are bad and have been bad for years upon years.

 

[KingHashirama]

Naruto's view is very realistic. You can try to apply it in real life.. and you'll see that it works. You can try to apply Sasuke's view in real life.. you'll see it leads to riots and so on.


Naruto has the more realistic view. People think its "idealistic" because they believe the "goal" of peace cannot be achieved. However, of course a complete peace cannot be achieved.. since we are all individuals. However, we can attain a consistancy and drop down the violence, by going Naruto's route.. However, who in the hell would sacrifice that much? lol.. especially today where people are more about themselves.

Naruto would be representing what a "hokage" or a "Shinobi" is.. he would be the one enduring the hatred, and leading the world forward.

 

[Gagster]

Naruto's path is the only one that will last. Sasuke is just a single madman trying to take over, exactly like Madara.
By connecting everyone Naruto will eradicate pain throughout the world. Also with Ninshuu.

Also Sasuke has to be an idealist if he thinks anyone will listen to him.

 

[J4sm1n4]

If they both join forces the dream will come true ...

 

[ShiroT]

You are assuming again...

what did i assume exactly, i asked a question

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Naruto's ideals is better. Sasuke doesn't care what others think but Naruto does and he would be able to connect to them and establish peace. His Tnj is enough to change mass murders like Obito and Nagato to the good side. I believe Sasuke's ideals can not achieve true peace.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

what did i assume exactly, i asked a question

You are assuming that Sasuke is going to wage war, even though he is against it and wants to preserve the hidden leaf village

 

[ShiroT]

You are assuming that Sasuke is going to wage war, even though he is against it and wants to preserve the hidden leaf village

i said, and i quote, "how do you think sasuke is going to change the system"? you can assume what it means but it means exactly what it looks like

 

[KisuneUchiha]

i said, and i quote, "how do you think sasuke is going to change the system"? you can assume what it means but it means exactly what it looks like

You asked the question as if you disagreed when eagle said " I don't see Sasuke waging wars"

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Naruto's path is the only one that will last. Sasuke is just a single madman trying to take over, exactly like Madara.
By connecting everyone Naruto will eradicate pain throughout the world. Also with Ninshuu.

Also Sasuke has to be an idealist if he thinks anyone will listen to him.

Not even going to bother giving him a chance? In case you haven't noticed, he has changed he is no longer a madman.

 

[AlphaScythian]

We dont really know the extend of sasuke's plan, but idealism never works out so i'd go with sasuke.
Militaristic mercenaries which konoha and others are is sure awful system when it comes to peace.

 

[eterna]

I feel like sasuke is the better Choice.

 

[Sageflash]

Sasuke's versions can never breed anything good. He will only create more turmoil and another war will follow. Fear is not the way to lead, and will not work. Period.

Anybody who says Naruto's way is unrealistic is blind and detracts from humanity. The strides made by Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King Jr., Gahndi, and a score of others prove this ridiculous, cynical notion completely wrong. It is the only way to true, lasting peace and understanding.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Sasuke's versions can never breed anything good. He will only create more turmoil and another war will follow. Fear is not the way to lead, and will not work. Period.

Anybody who says Naruto's way is unrealistic is blind and detracts from humanity. The strides made by Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King Jr., Gahndi, and a score of others prove this ridiculous, cynical notion completely wrong. It is the only way to true, lasting peace and understanding.

Yet people are still killing each other today and violence and crime are still rampant.Sometimes you have to have a firm hand and take a more direct approach to get things done.

 

[ShiroT]

You asked the question as if you disagreed when eagle said " I don't see Sasuke waging wars"

and i asked how as sasuke going to change the system. answer the question.

 

[Dannie]

Sasuke's versions can never breed anything good. He will only create more turmoil and another war will follow. Fear is not the way to lead, and will not work. Period.

Anybody who says Naruto's way is unrealistic is blind and detracts from humanity. The strides made by Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King Jr., Gahndi, and a score of others prove this ridiculous, cynical notion completely wrong. It is the only way to true, lasting peace and understanding.

I guess someone does not notice the current world and the many things that still happen today.

You bring up all those people and you act like we live in a secure and safe world filled with no harm and happiness. That is your first flaw that you are clearly missing.

 

[Sageflash]

I guess someone does not notice the current world and the many things that still happen today.

You bring up all those people and you act like we live in a secure and safe world filled with no harm and happiness. That is your first flaw that you are clearly missing.

That is all pure conjecture and has nothing to do with what my point was. I never once alluded to the world being a safe and cushy zone or a place where everything is accepted.

Those 3 I named are giants and are revered to this day for the great improvements they made in this world. They were not able to completely turn it 180 degrees, but it's a slow process. There are so few heroes of that caliber today that is seems bleak and unreachable, but hope is never lost. They believed in their causes and leaps and bounds were made. Barriers were broken and the world was change. It's because of people like Sasuke, and worse, that the world is this way, not those who tried to improve it. Ruling through fear and threatening your citizens, creating an iron fist and damning anyone who goes against you... look through a textbook and see how successful those were. The Hitler's, Caligula's, Qin Shihuang's, Justin II's... there's a pattern in there and how it all comes full circle. That ideology doesn't hold up... just look at the world today for proof. If it's so great, why are we in the shitter?

 

[JetBlackBijuuRasengan]

being a realist can narrow ones perception of things its kind of like if your reality is to fight or die your mentality is you kill or be killed and idealism can bring about change through the idea of what about reality you want to change ... in other words your reality is fight or die then your mentality is to adapt and overcome... check this out

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[Dannie]

That is all pure conjecture and has nothing to do with what my point was. I never once alluded to the world being a safe and cushy zone or a place where everything is accepted.

Those 3 I named are giants and are revered to this day for the great improvements they made in this world. They were not able to completely turn it 180 degrees, but it's a slow process. There are so few heroes of that caliber today that is seems bleak and unreachable, but hope is never lost. They believed in their causes and leaps and bounds were made. Barriers were broken and the world was change. It's because of people like Sasuke, and worse, that the world is this way, not those who tried to improve it. Ruling through fear and threatening your citizens, creating an iron fist and damning anyone who goes against you... look through a textbook and see how successful those were. The Hitler's, Caligula's, Qin Shihuang's, Justin II's... there's a pattern in there and how it all comes full circle. That ideology doesn't hold up... just look at the world today for proof. If it's so great, why are we in the shitter?

People like Sasuke goes beyond the common man's way of thinking. Sasuke's way is not necessarily a negative thing because he still wants to change the past for the better future. Naruto still wants to keep everything the same but at the same time achieve peace. It doesn't work that way. Sometimes change is necessary.

As today's current situation, and all the wars that are going on, simple preaching and communication wont matter because we are still human, which means we will do what we feel and what we want.

 

[lanakui8]

Neither Naruto nor Sasuke have given their answer about how to attain the thing they call 'true peace'.

Naruto is doing his best to change himself in order to stop the cycle of hatred, but as far as changing the entire shinobi world, he hasn't stated his plan. Neither has Sasuke (on panel).