Re: Naruto (Character) Hate is Justified
most of these points are based on the misinterpretation of the manga.
For example, "10 minutes of good made up for a lifetime of bad". No where was this stated or implied. None of obito's 'feats of good' are being used to counterbalance his 'feats of evil', the reason NAruto shows Obito respect is for the person he has become after being TnJ by Naruto. And that person is one who would willingly do all those feats of good we saw in the last 10 minutes or so. So Naruto is absolutely not saying that what Obito did made up for all the bad, he just respects the person that Obito died as and can appreciate his change from the one who did do all those evil things and tried to initiate infinite tsukuyomi. So unless you can't see that the Obito who died is a different person than the one who did all those killings, it shouldn't be difficult to see how naruto can have respect for the current Obito.
Second, Naruto forgiving Obito doesn't mean he disrespects Neji. If you read the manga, you'd know that this whole idea of holding on to hatred just results in an endless cycle of hatred which screws over everyone including the people neji cares about. Naruto obviously cares a lot about Neji which is why he was hit so hard that he almost turned to the dark side when Neji died. Neji died for Naruto and the shinobi alliance, holding a grudge against Obito won't do anything to bring neji back, it will only get in the way of their victory, and if they lose here, neji's death would be for nothing. So rather than indulge himself in petty revenge that will render naruto a hypocrite and just another avatar for the cycle of hatred to flourish, naruto is not going to hold onto useless feelings like that.
Third, Naruto is a very realistic character. A realistic character isn't a character who merely is like you or me, or a person who exists in reality a realistic character is one who would act this way had he actually gone through the things he's gone through and holds the same ideals as he does in the manga. Normal people haven't been brought up in an environment where they were completely alone and hated throughout their childhood, nor do they have it as their lifelong goal to stop the cycle of hatred and find true peace without eliminating the value of humanity in the process. However, if a human in reality did go through something like what naruto did and possessed the same goals as him, then I find it very likely that they would be quick to forgive and treat another with respect, especially when they saw what led that person to fall into darkness.
Then there's stuff like the Child of Prophecy thing having nothing to do with falsifying themes of part 1 since Neji's theme was not about defying 'destiny' it was one's ability to change their own destiny if they wanted to. Naruto doesn't have any reason to change his destiny as his destiny is the savior of the world, so those two themes don't conflict. Hard work = strength wasn't really a theme in the manga, it was always fighting for someone else or 'protecting others' that was the the theme and motivation for working hard.
The other stuff like Naruto's powers being easily obtained, or him being a puppet aren't true either. Powers such as bijuu mode and Kyuubi chakra mode did require work on Naruto's part, it's just not the normal training that people go through in order to gain powers. In order for Naruto to gain KCM, he had to eliminate all the trace amounts of hatred he had for the people who've wronged him in the past. As we've seen from the OP's comments about Naruto's morality, doing something like that can be extremely difficult to do, or even impossible for some. Same thing with using bijuu mode, Naruto had to befriend Kurama, which could only happen by Kurama witnessing Naruto's high ideals. Hagoromo's powerup might be the closest thing to a freebie, however Naruto could still only use it after convincing the other 8 bijuu to help him and after giving Hagoromo and acceptable answer.
The rest of the stuff is pretty much just personal taste.
If you still don't agree, I respect your opinion nontheless since I don't have the reason to argue so this is my last one.
First of all, it doesn't matter if Naruto changed obito from all the mistakes he's has done in the past because you can't forgive them that easily in such a short amount of time, and we reader look at the amount content in this arc from when he just Fought Obito to when Obito got Tnj to his sacrifical death. What we look at is that It totally condensed the time in this 1 arc. This tnj to Nagato was nothing like Obito. Naruto was still mad but he gave so much respect for nagato , not because he's a pupil of jiraiya but he also restored the whole villager, and he share this same destined to stop the cycle of hatred even though Naruto doesnt like it, but this is a reasonable to forgive. Obito is all about creating wars. For Obito, there's no reason to get carried away just to show your over emotional just because
"Naruto was the chosen Savior" doesn't give the right to excuse from the past Obito committed. We're talking this jurist law system. He still should not be admired for the things that Obito did to the people. It's okay to show respect for Obito death and just because
" Obito changed the way he used to be like Naruto" but like I said Naruto is being over sentimental and that shows his unrealistic traits. Surely if Naruto had any respect for himself and other people, he would not be admiring someone who caused him pain just because of a title of Hokage, but no, I guess since Naruto shares the same dream as this criminal then it's all ok.
Second of all, you're aware that all the Konoha11 and every shinobi still does not forgive Sasuke and or Obito. If Naruto comrades on his arm saw Naruto forgivness to Obito, they would be mad at Naruto for being over passionate at Obito which the way Naruto portrays negate all the deaths and consider them as
"Cool". You know when shit hit the Nail on Naruto when someone on his comrade dies yet in the end he always tends to forgets them as he treated them as fodders and being way too passionate about these criminals. It's as Itachi explained, when you're more powerful, you start to forget all your friends and become more arragonace which clings to your ego. You said that Naruto getting himself fallen into dark ness will render naruto a hypocrite, I agree but he has to defeat the enemies regardless without showing any sign of pity to the enemy, look at what he did to pain, he shows his determination to stop Nagato but he respected him in the end when Nagato use rinnetensie. So the least I could expect Naruto, is to show respect to Obito death without going overboard.
I don't think anyone could relate someone like Naruto who can forgive a mass murderer even your ideal is for peace. Any ideology you have, or you support, automatically makes it a product of what your self covets. It means whatever you are doing it is to satisfy the self.
The child of Prophecy does effect the theme of Naruto. Neji pointed out that you can't change destiny, destiny is how you're born. It's all about Genius vs Hardwork. Naruto is all about the symbol of hardwork. Naruto is trying to attempt to prove Neji that you can change destiny. However when he was the chosen savior of the world, this contradicts his theme. It was said that the prophesied was correct all along even knew before Naruto was born and even it's a 50/50 chance, Naruto will still be the chosen one because he's the main character and he will always be the prophesied.
KCM and BM doesn't make his power by going all the trouble to befriended Kurama, because in the end they're not the same entity, Naruto had to rely on using the fox power to master his skills. His training wasn't hard since he recieved his help from Minato, his mother, and the eight tails ox and even Yamato stop ninetails from rampaging. So in the end, Naruto had been taking lots of shortcuts with having the advantage to change Kurama.
