All I see is someone in denial.
Since it seems you lack a bit of knowledge on teleportation, why don't we check wikipedia for it's definition ?
Therefore comparing Hiraishin (instant teleportation) to light speed movement is utterly wrong, especially when you know that teleportation doesn't require traveling the distance from A to B while being light speed would mean that you can travel that distance at the speed of light.
While I believe this to be enough for me to deem your reasoning as incorrect and stop reading that thread, I was still nice enough to read the next few lines. And funnily enough I stumble across another mistake literally in the next line lol
Second, You are using Black zetsu's comment an obvious metaphor made out of exasperation to back your claims, that's enough for you to lose your credibility, but since I have a feeling you will still argue it, I'll go through the trouble of debunking it.
Kamui isn't light speed because it has already been established how Madara's TSB were faster, even when Obito was in sanin mode he himself admits that it was still too slow :
This debunks the light speed Kamui claim since, Obito, Might Guy and even non-chakra cloaked naruto were able to react to the faster than Kamui TSB :
So unless you also want to claim that all of those character are actually faster than light, your light speed Kamui claim holds no weight.
Moving on.
Also this :
Moving on
As previously stated teleportation means that the user doesn't need to travel the distance between a point A and a point B and also that no time at all is needed to move between those points, while raw speed (no matter how fast) is still forced to travel that distance, therefore no matter how small of a time frame it takes (be it nanoseconds or less) it still takes time, which is an absolute and undeniable proof of it's inferiority compared to teleportation.
Space/time jutsu are jutsu working independently from space and time, not only do they require no physically traveled distance but they also take no time, and since speed=Distance/time, how can it even be possible for any sane person to claim that something instant can be faster than something instant ? lol
You are apparently misunderstanding the very basic way space/time abilities work, so let's take Kamui as an example : It takes time for the target to get completely sucked in however the part that disappears from the real world is instantly dropped in the Kamui world it does not have to travel any distance to reach that dimension (this is the instant aspect about Kamui)
There are so many wrong things with this explanation I have no idea where to start... Oh well I guess I'll start with the fact that those are nothing more than your own personal interpretations of what happened.
You claim that Sasuke didn't teleport before Naruto because he needed to prep his technique, this is nothing more than your own assumption, Sasuke had 0 reasons to teleport before Naruto since they were aiming for a combined attack from both sides, so imagine if sasuke actually went ahead what would he do ? just stand there like an idiot waiting for Naruto to cross the distance ? It actually makes much more sense for him to wait for Naruto to be at a good distance before teleportating, just so they can synchronize their attacks.
Additionally you claim that Sasuke disappeared but didn't instantly appear, this is a silly claim, sasuke appeared behind Madara so his inflated body and the mist-like chakra were covering. Or else what are you suggesting ? that he just phased out of existence for a while ? lol
You are clearly relying on very biased misinterpretations of the scans.
So let me debunk it for you one more time :
Hope this helped you understand your mistakes.
Barely started and here is your first mistake : You claim the hiraishin is faster (which is already bad enough since instant isn't even a speed) but you also assume that sasuke's teleportation has a lower speed.
Since it seems you lack a bit of knowledge on teleportation, why don't we check wikipedia for it's definition ?
As you should have understood by now, teleportation doesn't need the target to physically travel the distance (which already debunks any notion of speed since speed=distance traveled/time) it's literally is just disappearing in one spot then re-appearing in another. Also the fact that the user doesn't need to physically travel the distance in between point A and B further confirms that no time frame is needed. Therefor your claims of Hiraishin being "faster" are both illogical, unscientific and baseless assumptions.
I don't need to read past this line to understand that your entire reasoning is incorrect :
Being faster than the speed of light is vastly different from being instant. Light has a certain speed at which it moves : 299792458 m/s (once again the mere fact that light has a speed is enough to debunk the notion of instant) that is by no means instant since for example light needs 8 minutes and 20 seconds to travel from sun to earth, while something instant would do the same in no time at all!
Therefore comparing Hiraishin (instant teleportation) to light speed movement is utterly wrong, especially when you know that teleportation doesn't require traveling the distance from A to B while being light speed would mean that you can travel that distance at the speed of light.
While I believe this to be enough for me to deem your reasoning as incorrect and stop reading that thread, I was still nice enough to read the next few lines. And funnily enough I stumble across another mistake literally in the next line lol
First of all there no such a northing as a "prime" Obito what makes this obito's Kamui different from any other version of Obito's kamui ? that's a baseless claim and seems like something you came up with.
Second, You are using Black zetsu's comment an obvious metaphor made out of exasperation to back your claims, that's enough for you to lose your credibility, but since I have a feeling you will still argue it, I'll go through the trouble of debunking it.
Kamui isn't light speed because it has already been established how Madara's TSB were faster, even when Obito was in sanin mode he himself admits that it was still too slow :
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Moving on.
I checked this thread and it's irrelevant and mainly misleading (you went as far as to contradict yourself at one point), we aren't here to discuss the limitations of sasuke's technique.
I checked this thread and it was an even bigger disappointment. Not only were you unable to tell the difference between hiraishin's teleportation and the user's attack speed afterwards but you also made a lot of excuses and baseless claims such as this :
You completely came up with the Nona-second time frame this has never been stated, implied or even hinted anywhere, we have literally no idea how fast Tobirama can swing his kunai (I find it funny how you so proudly wrote it in bold and colored it red when it's nothing more than another one of your baseless claims)
Also this :
Once again, what proof do you have that being marked would have meant a certain hit ? Madara easily reacted to hiraishin from two different people and even did it once in a much weaker form while off guard and from his blind sport, your attempts at making Hiraishin seem like the absolute ultimate uncountable technique is nothing short of laughable.
Moving on
This one sentence is one of the silliest assumptions I've ever read "speed blitz being faster than teleportation" you are basically saying that "Naruto is faster than instant" which doesn't make any sense no matter how hard you try to twist the words and misinterpret scans.
As previously stated teleportation means that the user doesn't need to travel the distance between a point A and a point B and also that no time at all is needed to move between those points, while raw speed (no matter how fast) is still forced to travel that distance, therefore no matter how small of a time frame it takes (be it nanoseconds or less) it still takes time, which is an absolute and undeniable proof of it's inferiority compared to teleportation.
An ambiguous choice of words, "better" can mean so many different things and isn't necessary an objective adjective.
I can't believe you just said that lol
Space/time jutsu are jutsu working independently from space and time, not only do they require no physically traveled distance but they also take no time, and since speed=Distance/time, how can it even be possible for any sane person to claim that something instant can be faster than something instant ? lol
You are apparently misunderstanding the very basic way space/time abilities work, so let's take Kamui as an example : It takes time for the target to get completely sucked in however the part that disappears from the real world is instantly dropped in the Kamui world it does not have to travel any distance to reach that dimension (this is the instant aspect about Kamui)
The speed of Sasuke's Teleportation:
Here we see that Naruto has already left his spot and is halfway from his target, [in that same moment Sasuke
prepared his technique, meaning it has a slight prep-time]
Now observe the following two scans
As you can see Sasuke has teleported to his target but did you notice Naruto? Naruto too had reached his target. Now what
does that tell us? That Sasuke's Teleportation speed within his teleportation radius [you'll see explanation below] from
preparing his Teleportation to landing an attack is roughly on Par with Naruto's speedblitz.
Here we see that Naruto has already left his spot and is halfway from his target, [in that same moment Sasuke
prepared his technique, meaning it has a slight prep-time]
Now observe the following two scans
As you can see Sasuke has teleported to his target but did you notice Naruto? Naruto too had reached his target. Now what
does that tell us? That Sasuke's Teleportation speed within his teleportation radius [you'll see explanation below] from
preparing his Teleportation to landing an attack is roughly on Par with Naruto's speedblitz.
You claim that Sasuke didn't teleport before Naruto because he needed to prep his technique, this is nothing more than your own assumption, Sasuke had 0 reasons to teleport before Naruto since they were aiming for a combined attack from both sides, so imagine if sasuke actually went ahead what would he do ? just stand there like an idiot waiting for Naruto to cross the distance ? It actually makes much more sense for him to wait for Naruto to be at a good distance before teleportating, just so they can synchronize their attacks.
Additionally you claim that Sasuke disappeared but didn't instantly appear, this is a silly claim, sasuke appeared behind Madara so his inflated body and the mist-like chakra were covering. Or else what are you suggesting ? that he just phased out of existence for a while ? lol
You are clearly relying on very biased misinterpretations of the scans.
You were wrong in every single point you made so I'm not surprise you were wrong again here lol and even your supposed correction was even more wrong.
This is a silly misconception and is one of reasons I posted this thread, the mere fact that you so proudly copy/pasted something I already debunked might suggest that you didn't even bother reading my post (not very fair play are we).
So let me debunk it for you one more time :
Furthermore, you completely take the feat out of context, Sasuke was hindered by gravity for a while which gave Kaguya enough time to react however naruto's blitz was done in the core dimension therefore he wasn't slowed down at all, which is why Kaguya didn't have the luxury to dodging him.
Hope this helped you understand your mistakes.
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