What is uncool or lame about kindness or being civilized? Why like rudeness?

[chaos control]

Balance in terms of variety in both story terms and character,having a nice character by him/herself tends to get boring after a while.It's why the Squidwards,Vegetas,and Sasukes exist in fiction.

I don't see how it would get boring. I for one would have loved top see Naruto solo Kaguya while Sasuke was stuck in the sand dimension. That would have been hilarious because of all of Sasuke's arrogance!

I don't see any entertainment in watching jerks like Sasuke be jerks (their power is a different story).

 

[paratise]

Do you ever think the possibility of people having different opinions and senses regarding to anything for whatever ****ing reasons?

Do you???

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

There is nothing wrong with a villain being seen as good if a writer is basing the conflict on philosophical issues like how to solve the problems caused by war. Madara for instance, was a good guy, yet he was still an epic and very effective antagonist! He actually succeeded in casting infinite tsukuyomi!

It is only bad if you are trying to make a DBZ style villain that is just evil for no reason (like Frieza), yet they appear to be good.

Madara is a antagonist which is destinctly different from a villain,his goals are noble but the way he pursues them causes conflict with the good guys.A villain is someone like Kaguya or Orochimaru whose plans are extremely selfish and inhumane in nature.

 

[MinaButt]

Some people like nice guys some people jerks. All personal preference.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I don't see how it would get boring. I for one would have loved top see Naruto solo Kaguya while Sasuke was stuck in the sand dimension. That would have been hilarious because of all of Sasuke's arrogance!

I don't see any entertainment in watching jerks like Sasuke be jerks (their power is a different story).

You might not get any entertainment but characters like that are essential in fiction,they need to provide a "negative" viewpoint to counteract the cheerfulness of the setting and other characters.

 

[Kirokill]

You're not supposed to think a villain is good,if that happens then the writer has failed in making him/her unlikable.You can be a fan of that villain but by all definitions they can't be "good" in any way.

I quite disagree with this despite you're using the right definitions or terms for them.

To me the antagonist or main villain is the one against the protagonist. That is all.
For all a story might seem focused on people who choose to be always hostile, and they succeed in killing the antagonist whose motivations are logical and realistic. A good antagonist is one who looks bad, but thinking deeply about it, uncovers the opposite, or of a small plot twist.

I find a weak villain who is one who just likes to kill for fun, has no future goals, and a very cliche villain in my eyes, not fully developed, that's how it is, why just rude to all, even your recruits, what if they turn against you, which doesn't happen because they all think he's overpowered.

I myself don't find Naruto(the character) a good guy, for his goals are achieve peace towards freedom, but freedom always leads to chaos, neither Madara is, because his ways are as close to enslaving, creating fake happiness, if a good lead there will, it should be with order, and that's not even enough.

I'd also add to that, showing the bad point in villains and good points in the protagonist and his ways, but it turns otherwise by thinking deeply or revealing the truth very after, is my cup of tea.


Sasuke could easily just tell her the issue and warns her, but it would not be good to his character as he's a person who think he could do anything alone.

Chaos's question wasn't about why didn't he just say, it was why do people like it. (this sentence is not a response to you but general)

 

[ByakuganUser]

Well somebody has to be rude!

 

[awesomeseimei]

I quite disagree with this despite you're using the right definitions or terms for them.

To me the antagonist or main villain is the one against the protagonist. That is all.
For all a story might seem focused on people who choose to be always hostile, and they succeed in killing the antagonist whose motivations are logical and realistic. A good antagonist is one who looks bad, but thinking deeply about it, uncovers the opposite, or of a small plot twist.

I find a weak villain who is one who just likes to kill for fun, has no future goals, and a very cliche villain in my eyes, not fully developed, that's how it is, why just rude to all, even your recruits, what if they turn against you, which doesn't happen because they all think he's overpowered.

I myself don't find Naruto(the character) a good guy, for his goals are achieve peace towards freedom, but freedom always leads to chaos, neither Madara is, because his ways are as close to enslaving, creating fake happiness, if a good lead there will, it should be with order, and that's not even enough.

I'd also add to that, showing the bad point in villains and good points in the protagonist and his ways, but it turns otherwise by thinking deeply or revealing the truth very after, is my cup of tea.


Sasuke could easily just tell her the issue and warns her, but it would not be good to his character as he's a person who think he could do anything alone.

Chaos's question wasn't about why didn't he just say, it was why do people like it. (this sentence is not a response to you but general)

Well, I actually tend to like "pure evil" villains who stick to their twisted ways - not that I think what they do is right or good, but they can be just too entertaining. There are times where I'll pick a solid character (that is, consistent one) over a character who went through what I find to be an unrealistic development (for example, switched back to their "good" selves in a snap, no matter how many bad things they've done).

That said... I prefer it when characters don't switch sides. But that's just my opinion. Sometimes it can work, but it rarely does for me, especially in fast-paced stories.

 

[Wabbit]

As I have seen many enjoyed it because they disliked Sakura not because they found Sasuke cool.
Being straight forward is not rude.
You are just a different version of them ppl who were *****ing Sasuke being rational.People like Sasuke for so many other reasonS it does not include being an arrogant criminal for all.
Kids are tought to be decent and they are special and only to find out there is nothing like it.Grow up.

 

[Kirokill]

Well, I actually tend to like "pure evil" villains who stick to their twisted ways - not that I think what they do is right or good, but they can be just too entertaining. There are times where I'll pick a solid character (that is, consistent one) over a character who went through what I find to be an unrealistic development (for example, switched back to their "good" selves in a snap, no matter how many bad things they've done).

That said... I prefer it when characters don't switch sides. But that's just my opinion. Sometimes it can work, but it rarely does for me, especially in fast-paced stories.

It's all down to preference.

But characters not switching sides is a sign of loyalty, something that is always good.

 

[TrollKing]

Well I'm not sure if I'm the only one that thinks this, but I was thinking that Sasuke said those things because he didn't want them to rush into fighting an impossible fight (like Sakura did earlier). Sasuke calling Sakura and Kakashi useless, I think is not because he was being mean, but because he doesn't want them to see his friends die in a fight they couldn't possibly win.

Sasky saved sakura 3 times in kaguya arc already, sasky has really thin skin, he won't admit he protecting his friends

 

[cafe123]

How does Sasuke have more personality? He is singular in his goal. Obtain retribution for his clan (whether it be by killing Itachi or crushing Konoha) and prevent other cases like this from happening (by becoming hokage). In the end, all of his actions and motivations revolve around what happened to his clan. Logically, that would technically be more "one dimensional".

Being a jerk is not the same as having more personality and it is just as cliche. Naruto on the other hand has the painful past of being shunned and desiring recognition. He also was developed by the pain of loss (like when Jiraiya and Neji died). He learned to look at different perspectives (like when Son Goku corrected him). So on.

He has a singular goal but the way he approaches to achieving it is more realistic than other characters in Naruto, he's not black or white like most of them, he's gray and that's what makes characters good for me, he's not idealistic, completely selfless and flawless like Naruto is (and that pretty much goes for every Shonen protag) he's more human, more selfish, he makes bad decisions as well as good ones et cetera.

 

[awesomeseimei]

It's all down to preference.

But characters not switching sides is a sign of loyalty, something that is always good.

I do have a thing for loyal characters, especially when this loyalty comes with a bit of tragedy - for example, a character who is loyal to a superior no matter what while the superior treats them as pawns or tools. I don't know how to explain this, but there is something about it that touches my heart, I guess. I like the conflict between freedom and loyalty, free thinking and firm beliefs in doing the right thing (even when it's actually wrong).

 

[Akasuna]

I like Sasuke because he's a well written character. Well, he was.

 

[TrollingSage]

Take a look at what's going on around you. The world is a shitty place filled with a lot of shitty people with bad attitude with the same kind of attitude the character portrays. Are you really that surprised people like him? People call good guys like Naruto and Hashirama "shitty" characters because of their warped sense of reality. For them acting like a **** is completely normal since you have problems and everyone else is doing it. Being nice is considered stupid and being rude is cool. That's the kind of world we live in.

 

[chaos control]

He has a singular goal but the way he approaches to achieving it is more realistic than other characters in Naruto, he's not black or white like most of them, he's gray and that's what makes characters good for me, he's not idealistic, completely selfless and flawless like Naruto is (and that pretty much goes for every Shonen protag) he's more human, more selfish, he makes bad decisions as well as good ones et cetera.

Bold: Getting a small gang of ninjas and attacking a conference of world leaders is more realistic? Leaving your village without permission in order to seek training from a snake man that is trying to steal your body so that you can kill your brother is more realistic?

Becoming an international criminal, threatening to destroy a village and then trying to come back to said village and saying "I change my mind. I want to be your leader now" is more realistic?

In what reality???? This is extremely rash and idealistic.

 

[cafe123]

Bold: Getting a small gang of ninjas and attacking a conference of world leaders is more realistic? Leaving your village without permission in order to seek training from a snake man that is trying to steal your body so that you can kill your brother is more realistic?

Becoming an international criminal, threatening to destroy a village and then trying to come back to said village and saying "I change my mind. I want to be your leader now" is more realistic?

In what reality???? This is extremely rash and idealistic.

I meant that in terms of morality. He's willing to make sacrifices of people, comrades, he's willing to even kill people himself, if it means achieving his objective or results in greater good. E.g. What recently happened with Kakashi and Sakura, when he was going to kill Obito, Naruto on the other hand is almost always purely white.

 

[chaos control]

I meant that in terms of morality. He's willing to make sacrifices of people, comrades, he's willing to even kill people himself, if it means achieving his objective or results in greater good. E.g. What recently happened with Kakashi and Sakura, when he was going to kill Obito, Naruto on the other hand is almost always purely white.

Ok yes. The few instances you just named were realistic. After all, had Obito been killed there, Madara wouldn't have been revived via rinne tensei, Sai would have been able to seal him, therefore Madara wouldn't have casted the infinite tsukuyomi and Kaguya wouldn't have been revived. This stuff I will admit.

However, this stuff is not the type of jerk stuff that I am talking about. This stuff wasn't even rude. Killing Obito would have solved everything and Sasuke was right in saying that he and Naruto couldn't really endanger themselves to save Kakashi and Sakura.

However, the rude parts come in at times like with the you're useless speech he gave to Sakura. He could have easily just said "Madara casted the genjutsu" (which he eventually did anyway, thus rendering the whole rant redundant) and saved a whole bunch of time instead of going on a whole rant about how useless Kakashi and Sakura were. This rant did not accomplish a thing, so you can not say that this was just Sasuke being realistic.

A realistic and reasonable person would realize that simply answering the question of "What happened?" is not going to do any harm and that wasting time to bash people is of no use (especially when you are just going to answer questions anyway).

Sasuke's rudeness dates all the way back to part 1 when Sasuke (even in times of peace) would just insult Naruto for no reason at all.

This is the kind of crap that I am talking about.

When I say that someone can still be nice, I don't mean that they have to be a replica of Naruto. They could be someone like Gohan for instance who would still actually kill an enemy all the while still being a likable person.

 

[Tennis Robot]

A lot of people have stated that they like characters like Sasuke because of their rudeness to other people and their arrogance. They find it cool for some reason. Then they seem to find characters who treat others with respect while still using the same degree (or higher) of intellect and logic as lame or annoying.

Why? Look at the following 2 scenarios. One is canon to the manga (except for some slight modifications) and one is an alternate scenario that I am making up.

Scenario 1:

Sakura: What is going on out there Sasuke-kun?

Sasuke: Shut up stupid fodder! What would you do if I told you? You're useless. There's nothing you can do. (Later after giving a similar speech to Kakashi) Anyway, the infinite tsukuyomi got casted.

Scene end


Scenario 2:

Sakura: What is going on out there?

Decent person: The infinite tsukuyomi got casted.

scene end


Now tell me lovers of rudeness, what about scenario 1 makes Sasuke so cool to you? What is wrong with scenario 2? Scenario 2 saved time anyway and accomplished the same goal of telling the situation as scenario 1 did. That is more efficient and a lot of you arrogance lovers claim to like those who are more "realistic and rational".

Even for those of you who say that Sasuke was just telling them what was best for them, there is a much better way to do that.

Modification of scene 2:

Sakura: What is going on out there?

Decent person: The infinite tsukuyomi got casted, but listen. I don't want you and Kakashi to get involved in this battle. The enemy's strength is much too great.

Scene end

What would be wrong with this? Is this too lame for you? It serves the same purpose and conveys the same message in a more polite tone. No it is not even sugarcoated. It has no coating at all.

Why do you find the intentional unkindness to be so appealing? Why do you hate kindness or find it annoying (ie. Naruto)? The kindness can have the same rationality and efficiency as the unkindness.

Would you hate Sasuke if he still had all of his current power, intelligence, rationality and ideals, but if he treated others with respect?

You seem to be unable to think in different ways. You don't seem to have made an attempt to really think deeply about this. Also the bolded segment is one of the most unnecessary things I have ever seen in a sentence.

Also why would you even bring up realism?

 

[chaos control]

You seem to be unable to think in different ways. Also the bolded segment is one of the most unnecessary things I have ever seen in a sentence.

Also why would you even bring up realism?

Bold: Please elaborate. What do you mean when you say this?

As for your question, I brought up realism because a lot of the lovers of rudeness like to say that the rude and arrogant ones are "realistic" or "rational" while they treat any nice character as unrealistic or illogical.