Hiashi vs Itachi

[Strict]

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Why exactly isn't Neji destroying the Chakra flowing through this wall so they can just destroy it?

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[Haizaki]

Do you have a scan of a Hyuga using Gentle fist without the Byakugan, yes or not?
Dojutsu unfold their full potential when used together.
With just one MS, you have no Susanoo and no other technique. Without both Rinnegan you can't use the Six Path's techniques. Obviously the Byakugan is also restricted if it's just one eye.

No scan of a Hyuuga using Gentle fist (such as Rotation, Air Palm) without Byakugan, means it is speculation, means it is your opinion, means it doesn't count in a vs thread.

Seems you can't understand this or you just want to ignore it. There's no scan because obviously as stated, the byakugan makes the style more effective since it sees the tenkutsu points while the gentle fist deals the damage. Byakugan see, gentle fist does the damage.
Like how you compared the byakugan to the sharingan. Lol did you forget 3T Kakashi was still able to do the basic things the normal 3t could do but couldn't do the stuff 3T Itachi and Sasuke were capapble of doing ability wise. Did you forget the sharingan and rinnegan are totally different from the byakugan. You're saying "Obivously" with no proof.

Must they do it for you to know they can? Let me just break it down for you. It makes it effective. Why would they be foolish to use it in a battle without the byakugan that can see 360 degrees and can sense attacks?
The byakugan has a blind spot and he uses rotation to cover up for the short coming of his sight.

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. This explains the use of rotation even better

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Are you going to tell me that the byakugan enables him to release chakra from his body? Lol that that scan says "even a jounin can release from the hand or leg. Neji who has mastered the "gentle fist" can release from all over his body."
Air palm works by pinpointing the user's vital point .

 

[Strict]

You talk too much. Gentle fist, including Rotation and air palm are Dojutsus, techniques of their Dojutsu, that's fact. And the gentle fist is the fighting style in which the user sends Chakra into the Chakra points of the victim. That's the reason why Genin with the Byakugan can send out Chakra from their whole body, what even Jonin can't do. Don't talk so much, just bring out one straight fact and that's it.

 

[Rιver]

Seems you can't understand this or you just want to ignore it. There's no scan because obviously as stated, the byakugan makes the style more effective since it sees the tenkutsu points while the gentle fist deals the damage. Byakugan see, gentle fist does the damage.
Like how you compared the byakugan to the sharingan. Lol did you forget 3T Kakashi was still able to do the basic things the normal 3t could do but couldn't do the stuff 3T Itachi and Sasuke were capapble of doing ability wise. Did you forget the sharingan and rinnegan are totally different from the byakugan. You're saying "Obivously" with no proof.

Must they do it for you to know they can? Let me just break it down for you. It makes it effective. Why would they be foolish to use it in a battle without the byakugan that can see 360 degrees and can sense attacks?
The byakugan has a blind spot and he uses rotation to cover up for the short coming of his sight.

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. This explains the use of rotation even better

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Are you going to tell me that the byakugan enables him to release chakra from his body? Lol that that scan says "even a jounin can release from the hand or leg. Neji who has mastered the "gentle fist" can release from all over his body."
Air palm works by pinpointing the user's vital point .

Jūken is ineffective without Byakugan, as Byakugan reveals all the tenketsu. They are as small as a needle, therefore a normal fighter can't without special aid land on the exact spot. That is, if it can be used without Byakugan. Without this method, Jūken is completely useless.

Kaiten is used by exerting chakra from all tenketsu points; which I highly doubt is possible if they don't know where exactly they are without Byakugan.​

 

[Vapid]

Itachi doesn't need his Sharingan/eyes to use Susanoo, so he negs and slaughters Hiashi neg-diff with a Yata Mirror and Totsuka blitz combo.

Silly matchup is silly.

It's a shame that the poll isn't still open

 

[Made in Heaven]

Haha... false.

Neji only could destroy the strings because the strings were dependent on the chakra flowing within them. Jūken acts as a sharp needle that cuts a thread, exactly what it did to Kidōmaru's webs. If the chakra flow stops, the strings are detached. Simple as that.

While Neji used Jūkenpō Ichigekishin to distort the form of the water bubble. It's more of a shockwave than a chakra transmission - anyone with Fūton of same kind of effect can do the same.

Susano'O is pure chakra. It's not dependent on chakra connection, therefore even if you put as small as a dent in it or as massive as a hole, it won't break. The only difference is if you can shatter it like ice - which isn't possible considering how strong it is.​

hmmm..... well, you may be right on some things, but seeing as how Susano'O is still raw chakra, much like Kidomaru's chakra was inside the webs, I think air palm should be able to destroy it, even f its a little.

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Why exactly isn't Neji destroying the Chakra flowing through this wall so they can just destroy it?

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Because the ability wasn't introduced yet.

 

[Strict]

Because the ability wasn't introduced yet.

That's not a consolation. The ability to destroy Chakra wasn't an option here, so I don't have to believe it literally can.

 

[Made in Heaven]

When Amaterasu is focused continuously it does burn.

Its always burning, what's your point?

Ephemeral would work considering that a 30 percent Itachi was able to contain Naruto, who possessed Bijuu-level chakra levels at the time, while Naruto focused all of his chakra to break out of it, a technique taught to him by Jiraiya, and yet still wasn't able to break out of it. A fully-strengthened Itachi is enough to definitely put him in it, and since his eyes will be closed like you said, he won't even be able to notice that it's been casted. Hiashi has shown us no Genjutsu and or Genjutsu resistance feats whatsoever, so we have no reason to believe he can break out of it.

Ephemeral requires the opponents eyes just the same. All of Itachi's genjutsu is visual

 

[Rιver]

hmmm..... well, you may be right on some things, but seeing as how Susano'O is still raw chakra, much like Kidomaru's chakra was inside the webs, I think air palm should be able to destroy it

As I said, Susano'O is not dependent on chakra contact. A

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doesn't really matter. Even if Hakke Kūshō did land a crucial hit that put a hole in it, it wouldn't matter as it be would patched up with another layer. Nevertheless, doubt Hakke Kūshō has such firepower.​

 

[Haizaki]

You talk too much. Gentle fist, including Rotation and air palm are Dojutsus, techniques of their Dojutsu, that's fact. And the gentle fist is the fighting style in which the user sends Chakra into the Chakra points of the victim. That's the reason why Genin with the Byakugan can send out Chakra from their whole body, what even Jonin can't do. Don't talk so much, just bring out one straight fact and that's it.

I've explained but you choose to ignore. We can simply agree to disagree even though it's clear bro. @bold Lmao are you saying Hinata could use rotation when she was a genin even though she hasn't shown the ability to use it now? come on bro. She couldn't release chakra from all over her body asides her palm from what we know.
This scan sums it up

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. Even if you don't agree then we can just disagree.

 

[Made in Heaven]

What do you mean by chakra contact?

It would still be able to blow it away with its sheer force, and send it flying leaving Itachi unprotected and exposed. And I'm pretty certain it would have no difficulty in creating an even bigger dent than what Danzo did. Even if Itachi can patch it up, but Hiashi can just break it again until itachi runs out of stamina. Hell, who's to Say Hiashi can't break off Susano's arms and disable it for some time?

As I said, Susano'O is not dependent on chakra contact. A

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doesn't really matter. Even if Hakke Kūshō did land a crucial hit that put a hole in it, it wouldn't matter as it be would patched up with another layer. Nevertheless, doubt Hakke Kūshō has such firepower.​

 

[TheOneWhoSpeaksTruth]

overatetachi lolstomps.

 

[LustyLover]

What do you mean by chakra contact?

It would still be able to blow it away with its sheer force, and send it flying leaving Itachi unprotected and exposed. And I'm pretty certain it would have no difficulty in creating an even bigger dent than what Danzo did. Even if Itachi can patch it up, but Hiashi can just break it again until itachi runs out of stamina. Hell, who's to Say Hiashi can't break off Susano's arms and disable it for some time?

Because the YM isn't made of chakra and therefore can protect him and his Susano'o from the attacks.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Because the YM isn't made of chakra and therefore can protect him and his Susano'o from the attacks.

Its still getting blown away along with Susano'O due to the applied force of air wall palm. YM blocks attacks by altering its properties.... That ability isnt gonna stop it from being sent flying

 

[LustyLover]

Its still getting blown away along with Susano'O due to the applied force of air wall palm. YM blocks attacks by altering its properties.... That ability isnt gonna stop it from being sent flying

Yep, but that won't really do anything of worth.

 

[Haizaki]

Jūken is ineffective without Byakugan, as Byakugan reveals all the tenketsu. They are as small as a needle, therefore a normal fighter can't without special aid land on the exact spot. That is, if it can be used without Byakugan. Without this method, Jūken is completely useless.

Kaiten is used by exerting chakra from all tenketsu points; which I highly doubt is possible if they don't know where exactly they are without Byakugan.​

Of course it's ineffective but the thing is gentle fist enables him to release chakra from all parts of his body since he has mastered it. In other words he can use One blow body as shown with kido. Gentle fist is the form of hand to hand combat by the hyuugas. They release chakra from their palm and flow it into the opponents body.

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. Normal fighters can't do it since they can't use gentle fist. Jyuken is useless when attacking tenkutsu points without the byakugan.

Lol what? Kaiten is used by releasing chakra from every part of his body. Neji can just release chakra from his body and spin. I don't see how seeing tenkutsu enables him to use kaiten.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Yep, but that won't really do anything of worth.

Sure it does, it leaves Itachi exposed to get attacked

 

[Rιver]

What do you mean by chakra contact?

It would still be able to blow it away with its sheer force, and send it flying leaving Itachi unprotected and exposed. And I'm pretty certain it would have no difficulty in creating an even bigger dent than what Danzo did. Even if Itachi can patch it up, but Hiashi can just break it again until itachi runs out of stamina. Hell, who's to Say Hiashi can't break off Susano's arms and disable it for some time?

Constant chakra flow, like Kidōmaru's webs

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. Susano'O is not dependent on that.

There's again a difference. Not only was the Susano'O Sasuke used V3, but also Danzō needed two techniques to put as small as just a dent in it, while Susano'O didn't move

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. If you believe that Hiashi's jutsu surpasses an attack even stronger than

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, and can even harm V4 Susano'O, I'll drop the topic here.

 

[LustyLover]

Sure it does, it leaves Itachi exposed to get attacked

How would it? If Itachi's Susano'o is getting pushed then he's getting pushed with it. He would of been stripped of his Susano'o when Nagato did CT if we're using this logic, yet he didn't.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Constant chakra flow, like Kidōmaru's webs

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. Susano'O is not dependent on that.

Why should that matter ? Gentle Fist can still destroy chakra, as the manga said, and so can Air Palm

There's again a difference. Not only was the Susano'O Sasuke used V3, but also Danzō needed two techniques to put as small as just a dent in it, while Susano'O didn't move

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, and can even harm V4 Susano'O, I'll drop the topic here.

Baku's attack, as its seen in that scan, is all over the place, its not compressed at all, meaning its power is scattered. Unlike Air Palm, which compresses it's power it a fast burst. And yeah, I do think Hiashi's Air Wall Palm displayed more power than Baku's

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Not to mention Sasuke's susano'O dug its hands into the ground, which helped him stay still, somethng itachi's susano'O can't do, because its hands are full with a sword and sheild