Hiashi vs Itachi

[Made in Heaven]

I don't get why it's a feat to push away Juubi's tail which hangs in the air. And how much did the air palm push the tail away exactly? The hand barely moved and Juubi continued to spamm the Mokuton. I really don't get what you say. Even if the palm pushes Susanoo away a bit, it won't harm it.

Sorry, I won't waste my time to further discuss this matter.

Okay let me maje this clear for you.

Obito's aim is Naruto.

The Hyuga trio were protecting Naruto.

Obito tried to get to Naruto usung the juubi. Here, The Juubi's hand is on the ground, sweeping through the alliance and Heading towards Naruto, Hinata and Hiashi

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Then Hiashi uses Air Wall Palm and it gets sent to the sky

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It wasn't in the air when hiashi hit it, it went into the air after hiashi blew it away

 

[Strict]

Hate to admit it, but Byakugan can see through matter - f.e. Hinata literally saw Naruto's heart beat

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. Neji also

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the entire process of Bijū removal through a barrier and a rock wall.

What Crystal Chakra is now saying, isn't exactly ludicrous. But Itachi still wins.​

So, if Hiashi looks into Itachi's eyes, he is affected by Genjutsu, but if he looks through his eye lids to again look into Itachi's eyes, Genjutsu magically won't work? Don't get it. What does it matter whether he can see through his eye lids or not. If he sees through his eye lids, he still sees Itachi.

 

[Made in Heaven]

So, if Hiashi looks into Itachi's eyes, he is affected by Genjutsu, but if he looks through his eye lids to again look into Itachi's eyes, Genjutsu magically won't work? Don't get it. What does it matter whether he can see through his eye lids or not. If he sees through his eye lids, he still sees Chakra.

Here's is how genjutsu works, if you didn't know: The user inserts chakra into the opponent in order to control their chakra flow. The chakra can be inserted from two places as we know..... the eyes or the ears. This is the diffrence between visual genjutsu and sound genjutsu, one inserts chakra through the eyes, while the other does it through the ear. Visual genjutsu needs the opponents eyes in order to use, if the eyes are blocked, chakra cant be inserted into the eye. This is why asuma and kurenai closed their eyes when Itachi was their. With the eyes closed, Sharingan genjutsu [which is visual] canlt work on Hiashi, and neither can itachi's finger genjutsu, as that too requires eye contact

 

[Haizaki]

No. Vacuum Palm and all the other techniques are based on his Doujutsu. His Doujutsu does not only enable him to see Chakra and the surroundings in a 360 degrees but also allows him to send out Chakra of his body. All these techniques are based on his Doujutsu and were never used without the activated Byakugan, were not even said to be. So sorry, what never happend in the Manga or was at least implied, is not even debatable. The gentle fist itself is a fighting style based on the Byakugan and Tenten said, that Neji is able to release Chakra from his whole body for the reason he mastered the gentle fist.

Hiashi has a 5 in Taijutsu due to his Byakugan. Gai differentiated between gentle fist and iron fist; later making external damage and former internal. Gentle fist means already says that it's "gentle", gentle movements, like taiji. That's what is the Hyugas style and anything needed, as the Byakugan based attacks are designed for making lots of internal damage by sending Chakra into the victims body, without raw power.

And without the Byakugan, anything what's left is Hiashi's gentle fighting style without the abilities of the Byakugan.

Loool noo

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. Wait did you just say his byakugan doesn't allow him to see chakra? looool

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His donuts does not enable him to send chakra out of his body. It's gentle fist art. Kakashi explains it best here

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"with those eyes, youu see it(the points) and with the gentle fist is different from normal attacks. You release chakra from your palm and flow it"

It was never used with the byakugan because it's effective with the byakguan. Ao is able to use the byakugan's main features such as seeing chakra flow and all that but he's not able to use gentle fist. The byakugan doesn't enable them to emit chakra from all over their body. If that was the case, Hinata would be able to use rotation or

He can see 360 with the byakugan

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Of course

How does the byakugan give him a 5 look?

 

[LustyLover]

Here's is how genjutsu works, if you didn't know: The user inserts chakra into the opponent in order to control their chakra flow. The chakra can be inserted from two places as we know..... the eyes or the ears. This is the diffrence between visual genjutsu and sound genjutsu, one inserts chakra through the eyes, while the other does it through the ear. Visual genjutsu needs the opponents eyes in order to use, if the eyes are blocked, chakra cant be inserted into the eye. This is why asuma and kurenai closed their eyes when Itachi was their. With the eyes closed, Sharingan genjutsu [which is visual] canlt work on Hiashi, and neither can itachi's finger genjutsu, as that too requires eye contact

Where was it stated that Gentle Fist techniques specifically damage chakra and not chakra points?

 

[LustyLover]

His donuts does not enable him to send chakra out of his body.

What? Lmao

 

[Made in Heaven]

Hang on I'll find it. But the thing is, Gentle fist has three capabilities.... to damage organs, close points, and destroy chakra

Where was it stated that Gentle Fist techniques specifically damage chakra and not chakra points?

here it is

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[LustyLover]

Hang on I'll find it. But the thing is, Gentle fist has three capabilities.... to damage organs, close points, and destroy chakra

Just show me a scan stating it does. I'll be glad to believe it then.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Just show me a scan stating it does. I'll be glad to believe it then.

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[LustyLover]

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Thank you, I concede on that point then. However, I do believe Itachi can still win due to the fact that he has other means of putting people into Genjutsu as well as Amaterasu, which Hiashi has no counter for.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Thank you, I concede on that point then. However, I do believe Itachi can still win due to the fact that he has other means of putting people into Genjutsu as well as Amaterasu, which Hiashi has no counter for.

Other means of Genjutsu? You mean that thing he did with his finger, right?

As for Amaterasy, Hiashi has Divine Revolution, OBB, and Can shroud himself in chakea to protect himself, so I don't think Amaterasy is much of a problem either

 

[LustyLover]

Other means of Genjutsu? You mean that thing he did with his finger, right?

As for Amaterasy, Hiashi has Divine Revolution, OBB, and Can shroud himself in chakea to protect himself, so I don't think Amaterasy is much of a problem either

Rotation only lasts so long and once it ends there's a period of time where Hiashi rotates and is stuck in that movement, a disability Itachi would take advantage of. OBB is useless because he'd, well, be on fire. His skin would melt before he'd be able to do that.

 

[Rιver]

Yes, I concede on that point. However, am I not correct when I state that Hakke Kusho (and variants) aren't able to destroy chakra itself but the pinpoints that exude chakra directly from them?

Depends on which form. Jūken disrupts the chakra flow, it acts as a temporary wall. If the jutsu is dependent on transmitting chakra continuously in a straight line, Jūken

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that hence why Kidōmaru's webs were perfectly countered by Neji.

However, Itachi doesn't according to my knowledge use any kind of jutsu that is similar to that... so it's hardly a factor.​

So, if Hiashi looks into Itachi's eyes, he is affected by Genjutsu, but if he looks through his eye lids to again look into Itachi's eyes, Genjutsu magically won't work? Don't get it. What does it matter whether he can see through his eye lids or not. If he sees through his eye lids, he still sees Itachi.

That's not what I said. It's a legit hypothesis, though, it's debatable.​

 

[Haizaki]

So, if Hiashi looks into Itachi's eyes, he is affected by Genjutsu, but if he looks through his eye lids to again look into Itachi's eyes, Genjutsu magically won't work? Don't get it. What does it matter whether he can see through his eye lids or not. If he sees through his eye lids, he still sees Itachi.

Loool no. the byakugan gives insight. He can basically see through Itachi as well.

He can see Itachi's eyes but Itachi's eyes can't see the byakugan. It requires eye contact but that's not made. Do you get it?

 

[Strict]

Loool noo

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. Wait did you just say his byakugan doesn't allow him to see chakra? looool

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His donuts does not enable him to send chakra out of his body. It's gentle fist art. Kakashi explains it best here

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"with those eyes, youu see it(the points) and with the gentle fist is different from normal attacks. You release chakra from your palm and flow it"

It was never used with the byakugan because it's effective with the byakguan. Ao is able to use the byakugan's main features such as seeing chakra flow and all that but he's not able to use gentle fist. The byakugan doesn't enable them to emit chakra from all over their body. If that was the case, Hinata would be able to use rotation or

He can see 360 with the byakugan

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Of course

How does the byakugan give him a 5 look?

Do you have a scan of a Hyuga using Gentle fist without the Byakugan, yes or not?
Dojutsu unfold their full potential when used together.
With just one MS, you have no Susanoo and no other technique. Without both Rinnegan you can't use the Six Path's techniques. Obviously the Byakugan is also restricted if it's just one eye.

No scan of a Hyuuga using Gentle fist (such as Rotation, Air Palm) without Byakugan, means it is speculation, means it is your opinion, means it doesn't count in a vs thread.

 

[Strict]

The Gentle Fist destroys Chakra in its original form. But Susanoo is the Chakra took and formed into a physical construct. The Byakugan can't just destroy anything made of Chakra. This would be way too haxxed, it would destroy any Ninjutsu. No, that's not how the Byakugan works. Let's not overdo it here.

 

[enditallsin]

Hiashi high diff

 

[Made in Heaven]

Rotation only lasts so long and once it ends there's a period of time where Hiashi rotates and is stuck in that movement, a disability Itachi would take advantage of. OBB is useless because he'd, well, be on fire. His skin would melt before he'd be able to do that.

Keep in mind That Itachi isnt gonna be able to spam this attack.

If Itachi were to use amaterasu, Hiashi would be able to block it with divine revolution. It functions in a similar fashion to Almighty Push, in that its meant to repel attacks. Rotation has also been said to be able to knock away chakra. If itachi is able to succesfully land amaterasu on Hiashi, OBB can push it off rather quickly, since its a burst of chakra similar to Rotation, except that it doesn't require spinning.... And he wouldn't be harmed, not even someone like Karin had any burns on her after taking a hit.Hell, all madara needed as a defense was his clothing, which he then stripped off. Hiashi would also be able to constantly shroud himself in chakra, preventing amaterasy from ever making contact with his body.

The Gentle Fist destroys Chakra in its original form. But Susanoo is the Chakra took and formed into a physical construct. The Byakugan can't just destroy anything made of Chakra. This would be way too haxxed, it would destroy any Ninjutsu. No, that's not how the Byakugan works. Let's not overdo it here.

Wrong. Neji destroyed Kidomaru's webs, which are far from being ''basic chakra''. He also destroyed Kisame's Water Natured Water Prisin Ability just the same

But, regardless, susano'O is regular chakra

 

[LustyLover]

Keep in mind That Itachi isnt gonna be able to spam this attack.

If Itachi were to use amaterasu, Hiashi would be able to block it with divine revolution. It functions in a similar fashion to Almighty Push, in that its meant to repel attacks. Rotation has also been said to be able to knock away chakra. If itachi is able to succesfully land amaterasu on Hiashi, OBB can push it off rather quickly, since its a burst of chakra similar to Rotation, except that it doesn't require spinning.... And he wouldn't be harmed, not even someone like Karin had any burns on her after taking a hit.Hell, all madara needed as a defense was his clothing, which he then stripped off. Hiashi would also be able to constantly shroud himself in chakra, preventing amaterasy from ever making contact with his body.

When Amaterasu is focused continuously it does burn. Ephemeral would work considering that a 30 percent Itachi was able to contain Naruto, who possessed Bijuu-level chakra levels at the time, while Naruto focused all of his chakra to break out of it, a technique taught to him by Jiraiya, and yet still wasn't able to break out of it. A fully-strengthened Itachi is enough to definitely put him in it, and since his eyes will be closed like you said, he won't even be able to notice that it's been casted. Hiashi has shown us no Genjutsu and or Genjutsu resistance feats whatsoever, so we have no reason to believe he can break out of it.

 

[Rιver]

Wrong. Neji destroyed Kidomaru's webs, which are far from being ''basic chakra''. He also destroyed Kisame's Water Natured Water Prisin Ability just the same

Haha... false.

Neji only could destroy the strings because the strings were dependent on the chakra flowing within them. Jūken acts as a sharp needle that cuts a thread, exactly what it did to Kidōmaru's webs. If the chakra flow stops, the strings are detached. Simple as that.

While Neji used Jūkenpō Ichigekishin to distort the form of the water bubble. It's more of a shockwave than a chakra transmission - anyone with Fūton of same kind of effect can do the same.

Susano'O is pure chakra. It's not dependent on chakra connection, therefore even if you put as small as a dent in it or as massive as a hole, it won't break. The only difference is if you can shatter it like ice - which isn't possible considering how strong it is.​