[Question] Who is the Strongest Captain Right Now?

[kotoamatsukami]

You're forgetting that Stark also needed Wonderweiss as a distraction to get a hit on Kyoraku.... So does Stark look weaker because he needed Kyoraku's best friend getting killed as a distraction to get a hit on Kyoraku? No it doesn't because all is fair in war.


Shunsui was waiting for Stark to use his strongest move to use Bankai..... He knew Stark was hiding it (And called him out for it) and wanted to save his Bankai for the wolves which were released later.... But due to circumstances he didn't even need to use his Bankai.

I am not saying that Shunsui is stronger than Zaraki because he probably isn't but you're looking at the Stark vs Shunsui fight in the wrong perspective..... It was implied right from the beginning that they were shown as beings of equal strength in which Stark even acknowledged that Shunsui was very strong. Throughout the fight Shunsui just didn't feel the need to use Bankai, if Stark had released the wolves on Shunsui 1v1 then we would have seen Bankai..... And Shunsui would have still probably won. So my take is that Shunsui wouldn't fodderize Zaraki nor Zaraki fodderize Shunsui but it will be a battle fought hard by Kenpachi.... Shunsui wouldn't make it easy for him. But you never know Shunsui's shikai is OP and thinking about Bankai it may turn things in Shunsui's favour so we actually don't know..... But as of now I reckon Kenpachi would win if Shikai vs Shikai

But I do think that Kyoraku and Ukitake would be considered as one SWP because their combined power was said to surpass all before and after them which was said by Yama. And Kubo has done very well at keeping their teamwork a secret and even in the databooks the Shunsui and Ukitake vs Yama fight was considered a draw while other fights that didn't finish were definite losses or wins.

Ur forgetting kyoraku was already getting help from another strong captain in ukitake witch try were still struggling to get a hit on starkk..without ukitake help shikai kyoraku would have been hit by a cero soner or later...an wat you talking bout everything is fair in war? We are saying who's stronger between zaraki an kyoraku if kyoraku needs other to be involve so he can hit his opponent then it shows you that kyoraku is not as strong as you think he is cuz other people aren't part of kyoraku's power.

Lol no he won't waiting for the wolves exactly he was just waitng for starkk to use a more dangerous attack plus starkk cero guns are better for opponents like kyoraku cuz it keeps him from ever getting close sense most his shikai attacks are close range attacks...the moment stark used his machine gun cero kyoraku knew he had no choice but to use bankai cuz he told ukitake he was about to use it.

I'm just saying shikai kyoraku had no chance at beating starkk while a shikai patched zaraki beat someone with a stronger arsonal than starkk an like I said before zaraki did not even use his shikai speacial ability...an yes I also feel that if kyoraku used bankai he would have beat starkk..kyoraku shikai is not op for current zaraki not even a little bit coming close range is wat zaraki wants his opponent to do..also zaraki would not use shikai for a shikai like kyoraku's that pact no super destructive power.

Of course they are not swp they are not thaat speacial if Yama not one then they won't be one..yea that fight was a draw I guess sense they were all standing once it came back to them but was Yama really serious in that fight? If it would have dragged on I don't think they would be able to keep up with Yama an would have eventually lost do to stamina reasons.

 

[N1nken]

Jesus Christ, someone forgot to bring page, so that he can back up his claims. Oh, yeah I forgot, you can't bring page, since manga never said that!

And no, Kyoraku and Ukitake weren't captains at that time, I can give you proof, but it's unnecessery, since you don't have anything to cover your claims in the first place.

They were the first captains to come out of the

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Yamamoto founded. But it's implied that Kyoraku and Ukitake are pretty old compared to the other captains, and until recently (with kid Zaraki appearing when Unohana was still Kenpachi) it was fairly evident and assumingly logical to presume that Kyoraku was older; though, the answer is now vague. During Kenpachi's flashback of meeting Yachiru, Yachiru couldn't even walk and Kenpachi appeared to be a young man. He became captain when Tosen had already become a captain years prior. But during TBTP, Ukitake and Kyoraku already appeared to be tenured captains, evident by their referencing to being the only captains who had been around for at least 100 year prior along with Unohana. However due to the flashback between Zaraki and Unohana, they seem to be around the same age, with Zaraki still presumably younger than Kyoraku.

OT: Kyoraku. Before his recent powerup, Kenpachi was simply a berserker with brute force and no refinement. And though Nozarashi is powerful, he only has been dealing with it recently. He's strong, but in terms of full potential, he's not experienced enough.

 

[Shiroyasha]

Jesus Christ, someone forgot to bring page, so that he can back up his claims. Oh, yeah I forgot, you can't bring page, since manga never said that!

And no, Kyoraku and Ukitake weren't captains at that time, I can give you proof, but it's unnecessery, since you don't have anything to cover your claims in the first place.

Awww snap just when i thought i was done with this shit. Sure, let me see your ''proof'' That is, if you have any.

 

[-Akuma-]

All I know is that Zaraki isn't the strongest.​

 

[kotoamatsukami]

All I know is that Zaraki isn't the strongest.​

Then way captain is stronger than him?

 

[-Akuma-]

Then way captain is stronger than him?

Shunsui, Ukitake and possibly Byakuya.​

 

[Forbidden Tale]

They were the first captains to come out of the

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Yamamoto founded. But it's implied that Kyoraku and Ukitake are pretty old compared to the other captains, and until recently (with kid Zaraki appearing when Unohana was still Kenpachi) it was fairly evident and assumingly logical to presume that Kyoraku was older; though, the answer is now vague. During Kenpachi's flashback of meeting Yachiru, Yachiru couldn't even walk and Kenpachi appeared to be a young man. He became captain when Tosen had already become a captain years prior. But during TBTP, Ukitake and Kyoraku already appeared to be tenured captains, evident by their referencing to being the only captains who had been around for at least 100 year prior along with Unohana. However due to the flashback between Zaraki and Unohana, they seem to be around the same age, with Zaraki still presumably younger than Kyoraku.

OT: Kyoraku. Before his recent powerup, Kenpachi was simply a berserker with brute force and no refinement. And though Nozarashi is powerful, he only has been dealing with it recently. He's strong, but in terms of full potential, he's not experienced enough.

I'm not really sure what are you trying to say.

Awww snap just when i thought i was done with this shit. Sure, let me see your ''proof'' That is, if you have any.

Tbbh, what with your statament about Kyoraku and Ukitake being first generation, where is your proof??

Anyway:

Kyoraku entered Yama's room when he was still a kid:

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He's looking at painting in Yama's room and ask Yama who is that?
Yama speak about some monster *cough Yhwach cough* and he say to him that monster will not appear again, and Kyoraku after that say "what if one day it actually appears".

Now, Yama speaking about Yhwach like this: "It's a monster that appeared in SS a loong time ago". Monster appeared long time ago and even at that time, (long time after) Kyoraku is kid, you still think that he was captain back than??

On topic: Strongest captain is Kenpachi. Why? Simpe, Kenpachi is SWP, Shunsui is not.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Shunsui, Ukitake and possibly Byakuya.​

Lol naw Byakuya mabey but most likely not same goes for shunsui he's not stronger than zaraki ether that's why they all were wanted to get rid of Zarki in a hurry...an ukitake is weaker than kyoraku in a way cuz of their zanpacto abilities.

 

[-Akuma-]

Lol naw Byakuya mabey but most likely not same goes for shunsui he's not stronger than zaraki ether that's why they all were wanted to get rid of Zarki in a hurry...an ukitake is weaker than kyoraku in a way cuz of their zanpacto abilities.

Nobody wanted to get rid of Zaraki in a hurry it was just Bazz V and the girls+Gisele. If anything they wanted to get rid of Zaraki because he's a war potential, Shunsui and Ukitake are stronger than Kenpachi.​

 

[-Akuma-]

I'm not really sure what are you trying to say.



Tbbh, what with your statament about Kyoraku and Ukitake being first generation, where is your proof??

Anyway:

Kyoraku entered Yama's room when he was still a kid:

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He's looking at painting in Yama's room and ask Yama who is that?
Yama speak about some monster *cough Yhwach cough* and he say to him that monster will not appear again, and Kyoraku after that say "what if one day it actually appears".

Now, Yama speaking about Yhwach like this: "It's a monster that appeared in SS a loong time ago". Monster appeared long time ago and even at that time, (long time after) Kyoraku is kid, you still think that he was captain back than??

On topic: Strongest captain is Kenpachi. Why? Simpe, Kenpachi is SWP, Shunsui is not.

SWP aren't based on power, this should of been clear when Yama ji wasn't one, unless Kenpachi is stronger than Yama ji.​

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Nobody wanted to get rid of Zaraki in a hurry it was just Bazz V and the girls+Gisele. If anything they wanted to get rid of Zaraki because he's a war potential, Shunsui and Ukitake are stronger than Kenpachi.​

Yes they wanted to get rid of that guy cuz he's very powerful without the use of a zanpacto ability so now that he has one he's even more dangerous to them.

An Yama won't one cuz they know real Bach can take his bankai..an like I said zaraki really don't need a bankai that's why he's a war potential an Yama won't.

An no they are not stronger than zaraki someone who could beat unohana without much trouble at all.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

SWP aren't based on power, this should of been clear when Yama ji wasn't one, unless Kenpachi is stronger than Yama ji.​

Some re-readings should do job.

Yhwach already stated that Yamamoto is strong enough to be SWP, but he didn't listed him as one, since he feel that Current Yama is so soft and weak compared to Yama from 1000 years ago.

 

[-Akuma-]

Some re-readings should do job.

Yhwach already stated that Yamamoto is strong enough to be SWP, but he didn't listed him as one, since he feel that Current Yama is so soft and weak compared to Yama from 1000 years ago.

Still WSP aren't based on power seeing how Kenpachi when he came one got stomped by Ryod and many other captains were stronger than him at that time he was made one.​

 

[-Akuma-]

Yes they wanted to get rid of that guy cuz he's very powerful without the use of a zanpacto ability so now that he has one he's even more dangerous to them.

An Yama won't one cuz they know real Bach can take his bankai..an like I said zaraki really don't need a bankai that's why he's a war potential an Yama won't.

An no they are not stronger than zaraki someone who could beat unohana without much trouble at all.

No they wanted to get rid of him solely because he was a WSP.


Yama wasn't one because Bach could take his bankai, even without his bankai he's still stronger than Kenpachi so you're point is......


They are stronger than him, and you haven't read the fight if you say Kenpachi beat Unhoana without much trouble. She literally had to kill him multiple time before he could kill her, Kenpachi beat a badly fatigued Unohana, after lose many time to her.​

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Still WSP aren't based on power seeing how Kenpachi when he came one got stomped by Ryod and many other captains were stronger than him at that time he was made one.​

It is mainly about power somewhat..they stomped him cuz his potential was not unlocked yet an they knew his potential was very great that's why he was one..there's Is absolutely no other reason to make him a war potential other than his raw power.

 

[-Akuma-]

It is mainly about power somewhat..they stomped him cuz his potential was not unlocked yet an they knew his potential was very great that's why he was one..there's Is absolutely no other reason to make him a war potential other than his raw power.

No it's not about power, seen with Yama. He's strong but he's soft Kenpachi's nature is what made him a SWP, because if it was base on power Kenpachi at that time would of never been made one. Kenpachi's nature made him a SWP. Hence when Yama softened up and he changed he wasn't made one.​

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Still WSP aren't based on power seeing how Kenpachi when he came one got stomped by Ryod and many other captains were stronger than him at that time he was made one.​

Special War Powers are based on both powers and potentials. Yhwach said that Yama could make to SWP list, but isn't there since he is soft, at that time, Yama was very old and he didn't have potential to go any higher in power level, that mean that if he was SWP, that would be because of power, not potenrial, Most probably Aizen, as well who said that he already hit his prime. Kenpachi's and Ichigo's rank is based on potential.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

No it's not about power, seen with Yama. He's strong but he's soft Kenpachi's nature is what made him a SWP, because if it was base on power Kenpachi at that time would of never been made one. Kenpachi's nature made him a SWP. Hence when Yama softened up and he changed he wasn't made one.​

SWP are things that can change the outcome of the battles zaraki is one cuz he can do just that cuz he's so over powering..I doubt they even knew zaraki accurate power in the first invasion based on the way jugram was acting they thought he would be much stronger an now that Elvis they are trying to kill him off quickly..shinji words about zaraki won't for nothing..it's not cuz of zaraki nature it's cuz of his potential.

Like I said he was never worried about Yama cuz he had a plan for him all along.

 

[Penguin]

Hōgyoku Aizen
Yamamoto
Isshin/Kisuke
Isshin/Kisuke
Kenpachi
Byakuya
Unohana
Yourochi
Utikata/Shunsui/Gin
Utikata/Shunsui/Gin
Shinji
Toshiro
Komamura
Rojuro/Kensei
Rojuro/Kensei
Sui-Feng
Tosen
Love
Mayuri

 

[Shiroyasha]

Special War Powers are based on both powers and potentials. Yhwach said that Yama could make to SWP list, but isn't there since he is soft, at that time, Yama was very old and he didn't have potential to go any higher in power level, that mean that if he was SWP, that would be because of power, not potenrial, Most probably Aizen, as well who said that he already hit his prime. Kenpachi's and Ichigo's rank is based on potential.

No matter what you say about Kenpachi, it won't change the fact that Ichigo's much much stronger than Kenpachi right now. And you're wrong, Ichigo's rank is based both on Power and Potential. If Kenpachi was so special, then why didn't all the sternritter focus their attention on him? Because they knew he didn't mean anything to Juha. Which is why they all Ganged up on Ichigo, all eight of them. Instead of going 1v1. They knew that was the only way of beating Ichigo, because if they went 1v1, he'd wreck them.
Just face it already, Kyoraku and Ukitake are the strongest Captains. How many times has Yamamoto said it? ''Come to think of it, your strengths have always been above the rest.'' ''When it comes to battle, your complementary abilities work phenomenally together. That power is unrivaled by Anyone Who Came Before You and Everyone Since" See? Yama just practically said that Kyoraku and Ukitake are practically stronger than he 1st generation Captains. Kenpachi is not weak, but he's not the strongest either. If Kenpachi was that much of a threat, then why didn't Juha personally kill him before he went to the Royal Palace? He was well aware of the fact that Kenpachi was the one who killed Gremmy right? But did Juha even falter? Nope.
Why did Haschwalth immediately go over to Kyoraku to try and kill him? Because he knew that besides Ichigo, Kyoraku would be a major problem. If he felt that Kenpachi would be stronger since he's a SWP and Kyoraku's not, then why didn't he go after Kenpachi? Because he wasn't worried either. And about the whole SWP nonsense, there are still 2 people on the list whom we do not know, so stop saying ''Kenpachi is stronger than Kyoraku because he's on the SWP list an Kyoraku's not." If that's the case, then are you implying that Kenpachi is even stronger than Yamamoto just because he didn't make the list? If Kenpachi had so much potential, then he would have been invited to the Royal Palace along side Ichigo, Renji, Byakuya and Rukia. If he was there, he would have even had Ichibei Hyōsube tell him the name of his Zanpakuto. The main reason why Kenpachi survived his encounter with Gremmy was just because Gremmy was stupid and arrogant.
And as i've been saying, Kyoraku is stronger than Kenpachi simply because he's a Master Swordsman, and a Master Strategist and Tactican. Just imagine, Kyoraku was fighting on par with Starrk with only his sealed Zanpakuto! That's a pretty impressive feat. Meanwhile, Kenpachi was struggling to fight the 5th espada. So yeah, Kyoraku > Kenpachi