[Question] Who is the Strongest Captain Right Now?

[Forbidden Tale]

Jesus Christ looks like someone forgot to do their homework. Kyoraku and Ukitake were both the first captains of the Gotei 13 besides Yamamoto and Unohana

Jesus Christ, someone forgot to bring page, so that he can back up his claims. Oh, yeah I forgot, you can't bring page, since manga never said that!

And no, Kyoraku and Ukitake weren't captains at that time, I can give you proof, but it's unnecessery, since you don't have anything to cover your claims in the first place.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Are you retarded? How does Zaraki have more battle experience than Kyoraku? Kyoraku is ALOT Older than Zaraki. He and Ukitake are almost as old as Unohana. There's no way in hell that Zaraki is a better swordsman than Kyoraku. Zaraki isn't holding back alot Jesus Christ. You fanboys make it seem that once he takes of his eye patch, it's all over. So wait, are you trying to say that the current Zaraki could Solo Hogyoku Aizen? Are you saying he's above Dangai Ichigo? Stronger than Yamamoto's Zankai No Tachi? Do you actually think that Zaraki even stands a chance against Juha now that he has Gremmy and James's raw power back? I think not.

You're also forgetting one more think. If Zaraki was so dangerous, then wouldn't he be #1 on the special war potentials list? But why is it Ichigo? Because Ichigo is simply light years ahead of Zaraki, their levels are much different now. I'm pretty confident that Byakuya is a lot stronger than Zaraki as well after he received his royal guard training. As i KEEP SAYING and i really hate repeating myself, AS OF RIGHT NOW, KYORAKU > ZARAKI. In the near Future, Zaraki might be able to surpass him if he ever attains Bankai. Stop being so blind and open your eyes. Kenpachi isn't the strongest swordsman, just accept it. And as for the Kido part, do you think Kenpachi will easily break through Kyoraku's Kido (Though to be honest i've never seen him use Kido). I'm not saying Kenpachi is dumb, but he's not very bright either.
All he knows is how to fight.. Nothing more and nothing less. And lastly, If Kenpachi is so strong, then why didn't the Soul King Acknowledge him and request that he train in the Royal Palace? Why did the Soul King choose Ichigo, Byakuya, Renji and Rukia? Because he all saw that they have tremendous potential to be much stronger than they already are.. Especially Ichigo who at that time was using only about a quarter of his actual Shinigami powers. Stop making Kenpachi seem like some freaking God because he's not. As i stated before in my previous posts, he too has limits. And i know this has nothing to do with any of this but imma say it anyway. No matter how strong you think Zaraki is, he still gets One shotted by Goku hehehe

Lol kyoraku called unohana the greatest swordsman ever an zaraki beat her easily she won't even a match she said so herself there was no better sword to sword fighter than unohana till zaraki came along..

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as stated here by kyoraku he says she knows all the world schools of swordsmanship an knows all swords...zaraki fought way more battles than kyoraku has an I don't know who's older between the two...an yes that eye patch is holding back a lot of his power don't act like you don't know that..I'm not saying he could solo them but he might be up their with there power somewhere close to it..once again that meteor was going to destroy the seireitei an much more probly an he cut it like it was nothing, an on the manga page it says his sword has no rival.

Of course he's not #1 over ichigo, ichigo is special he's part everything an he's the main character of course h will end up being the strongest..lol I can say why zaraki in the list an kyoraku not its cuz he's light years ahead of kyoraku lol...an no Byakuya is not a lot stronger than zaraki stop lying to urself..naw zaraki already surpassed kyoraku it's clear now..kyoraku kido would mean nothing are you serious right now he cuts threw everything an barely anything hurst the guy..

Lol lets get something right the soul king took renji rukia an Byakuya in cuz thoes were the ones ichigo were worried about the most during the first invasion while he was trapped in that quincy box thing not cuz they had potential none of them had the potential that zaraki had..unohana killed zaraki thousands of times an every time he died an came back he got stronger an you telling me they had more potential than he did lol yea right..

An Yama stopped training him cuz he was to strong an Yama saw his potential it was great an central 46 guy never said they ordered Yama to stop so please stop lying...an no goku dies from his spiritual pressure.

 

[-Akuma-]

Hm, Interesting. Why?

It would just be easier to give you my list.

1. Monster Aizen

2. Yamamoto (bankai)

3. Shingami Aizen

4. Isshin

5. Urahara

6. Zaraki Kenpachi

7. Unhoana (bankai)

8. Kyorkau Shunsui (shikai)

9. Hirako Shinji (shikai or hollow mask)

10. Joushiro Ukitake (shikai while he's ill)

11. Sajin Komamura (Post Human metamorphosis)

12. Byakuya Kuchiki (estimation)

13. Gin Ichimaru

14. Tousen (Shinigami and hollow powers)

15. Toshiro Hitsugya (Hollowifed bankai)

16. Sui Feng )Hollowifed bankai)

17.Kensei (bankai)

18. Rose/Love

19. Love/Rose

20. Mayuri

 

[The 1 who knows]

Are you retarded? How does Zaraki have more battle experience than Kyoraku? Kyoraku is ALOT Older than Zaraki. He and Ukitake are almost as old as Unohana. There's no way in hell that Zaraki is a better swordsman than Kyoraku. Zaraki isn't holding back alot Jesus Christ. You fanboys make it seem that once he takes of his eye patch, it's all over. So wait, are you trying to say that the current Zaraki could Solo Hogyoku Aizen? Are you saying he's above Dangai Ichigo? Stronger than Yamamoto's Zankai No Tachi? Do you actually think that Zaraki even stands a chance against Juha now that he has Gremmy and James's raw power back? I think not.

You're also forgetting one more think. If Zaraki was so dangerous, then wouldn't he be #1 on the special war potentials list? But why is it Ichigo? Because Ichigo is simply light years ahead of Zaraki, their levels are much different now. I'm pretty confident that Byakuya is a lot stronger than Zaraki as well after he received his royal guard training. As i KEEP SAYING and i really hate repeating myself, AS OF RIGHT NOW, KYORAKU > ZARAKI. In the near Future, Zaraki might be able to surpass him if he ever attains Bankai. Stop being so blind and open your eyes. Kenpachi isn't the strongest swordsman, just accept it. And as for the Kido part, do you think Kenpachi will easily break through Kyoraku's Kido (Though to be honest i've never seen him use Kido). I'm not saying Kenpachi is dumb, but he's not very bright either.
All he knows is how to fight.. Nothing more and nothing less. And lastly, If Kenpachi is so strong, then why didn't the Soul King Acknowledge him and request that he train in the Royal Palace? Why did the Soul King choose Ichigo, Byakuya, Renji and Rukia? Because he all saw that they have tremendous potential to be much stronger than they already are.. Especially Ichigo who at that time was using only about a quarter of his actual Shinigami powers. Stop making Kenpachi seem like some freaking God because he's not. As i stated before in my previous posts, he too has limits. And i know this has nothing to do with any of this but imma say it anyway. No matter how strong you think Zaraki is, he still gets One shotted by Goku hehehe

Buddy if there was a worldcup for fanboys... you would be the undesoutable world champion. Hahaha but b4 i adress this debate let me first say for all kenny fans like me.... yiu must understand that kenny has ni bankai. He only kniws his zans name.
Ok as for the issue if battle exoerience its obviius kenny has more. Why do i say this? kenny grew uo in the toughest hood and what did he do in the daily fight... what does kyoraku spend most time doing.... taking tea... dont get me wrong... i bet he has had kots of experince in training. If u still dint agree... look what kid zaraki did to bad@$$ unihina in her prime.... if yiu still dint agree u are just a fanboy saying kyoraku has more experincevthan unohona... and we all know for a fact thats nitvthe case.
As 4 him standing zanja no tachi... i dontvkniw why uou brought ut up?. Can kyoraku dtand against it? i doubt it si kets drop that point and cc is dead... idk why you briught that up.
As 4 kennys brightness... thats where you fail... in terms of battle intelligence.. i believe kenny is the best at it. Kyoraku is battle smart i admit... but i believe kenny is smarter. Why? read bleach wiki... u will see that when arguing with jin.. he saw throgh jin and disvovered his biggest fear... anither point...it statesvthat kennys biggest weakness is thinking too much in hiw ti counter the enymys. Proff... his fight against noitra. Look it up.
As w why the siul king didnt invite him... uuuum which kings associate with ex criminals... that wiuld stain the soulking n my intuition is that he has too much pride... kind of like byakuya but in a higher level. anither thing.. inly squad 6 members wer invited... n we all know the history of squad 6. Do i need ti explain. Another thing those taken to the soul king were on the verge if death... there was nothing unihona could do 4 them.
U shiuld note kenny fights the odd balls and seemungly undefetable foes: look at him against tousen 4 eg. Do u honestly think anither shinigami. Could have beat tiusen in his bankai?
Saying kenny wasnt fighting quality sternsbis laughable.... even cc killed just 2 sterns yet yiu shrug off kennys feat. In top if it gremmy was cinsidered a minsterveven by ither minster stern standards... and ti say fake juha saw kenny as ni yhreat is laughable.... look at the look haschwalt had when kenny had vs when ichigo attacked real juha. Which expression showed terror? theres a story there... but thats a debate fir anither day.
In summury... kenny isvthe strongest shinigami in ss right now.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

It would just be easier to give you my list.

1. Monster Aizen

2. Yamamoto (bankai)

3. Shingami Aizen

4. Isshin

5. Urahara

6. Zaraki Kenpachi

7. Unhoana (bankai)

8. Kyorkau Shunsui (shikai)

9. Hirako Shinji (shikai or hollow mask)

10. Joushiro Ukitake (shikai while he's ill)

11. Sajin Komamura (Post Human metamorphosis)

12. Byakuya Kuchiki (estimation)

13. Gin Ichimaru

14. Tousen (Shinigami and hollow powers)

15. Toshiro Hitsugya (Hollowifed bankai)

16. Sui Feng )Hollowifed bankai)

17.Kensei (bankai)

18. Rose/Love

19. Love/Rose

20. Mayuri

I respect this, even thought I can agrue with a lot of things here, I just don't know why did you write "I don't agree with this." without giving any explanation and this is not even topic of thread (I said I'm bored).

This is my 2000th post :hooray:

 

[Drackos]

Tbh I haven't been able to tell for a long time now. Especially since Yamamoto got one shotted by Yhwach a while back.

Kubo has had a hard time managing power in Bleach I feel >.>.

Though if I HAD to say...I would either go Kenpachi or Shunsui. Most likely Kenpachi though.

 

[ssjelf]

The fact still remains that Kyoraku has a bankai and Kenny doesn't. That settles it. Kyoraku bankai/shikai are not battle type, they are kido type, or something similar. As in it true power comes to play with intelligence and trickery. We saw what Kyoraku could do in shikai alone and I still don't believe he was serious. he isn't the type to get serious, but when he does, then all hell breaks loose, just like with Yamamoto. They take things slowly, but annihilate their opponent if they feel they need to.

It would be a tough battle for Kenpachi even with Kyoraku in shikai because of the nature of the shikai. It is tricky. For example, having the higher ground, the shadow game and the color game. It would be quite awhile before Kenpachi figured it out. His strength may have improved, but his intelligence and kido haven't. Stark is smarter than Kenpachi for sure.

We still don't know the abilities of Kyoraku's bankai, but odds are that it is even more sneaky and even more deadly. Utitake didn't want his bankai revealed for a reason. It's dangerous and deadly.

Regarding Kenny eyepatch, yes it hides his power, but as we can see, with sufficient force, you can stop him before he removes it. But even if he does remove it, what does it gain him against an opponent like Kyoraku. More power?? Because sheer power isn't something that will stop an opponent like him, you need strategy and you need to keep you cool. notice how Kenpachis opponents are always power based. Ichigo, Noitora, gremmy. It always about who has more force. Gremmy can be argued regarding that, but ultimately he fell into the power game.

And dont underestimate Kido, as we can see in many battles, it has helped the winner get and edge and win the battle. Hado 99 is probably on a scale greater than Kenpachi's power or at least equivalent. Kyoraku has a 100 in Kido and Kenpachi still probaby has 0. Odds are that Kyoraku can perform it in the right battle area without bystanders.

Kyoraku win high diff, but in time I do think Kenpachi will surpass him.

 

[Shiroyasha]

Buddy if there was a worldcup for fanboys... you would be the undesoutable world champion. Hahaha but b4 i adress this debate let me first say for all kenny fans like me.... yiu must understand that kenny has ni bankai. He only kniws his zans name.
Ok as for the issue if battle exoerience its obviius kenny has more. Why do i say this? kenny grew uo in the toughest hood and what did he do in the daily fight... what does kyoraku spend most time doing.... taking tea... dont get me wrong... i bet he has had kots of experince in training. If u still dint agree... look what kid zaraki did to bad@$$ unihina in her prime.... if yiu still dint agree u are just a fanboy saying kyoraku has more experincevthan unohona... and we all know for a fact thats nitvthe case.
As 4 him standing zanja no tachi... i dontvkniw why uou brought ut up?. Can kyoraku dtand against it? i doubt it si kets drop that point and cc is dead... idk why you briught that up.
As 4 kennys brightness... thats where you fail... in terms of battle intelligence.. i believe kenny is the best at it. Kyoraku is battle smart i admit... but i believe kenny is smarter. Why? read bleach wiki... u will see that when arguing with jin.. he saw throgh jin and disvovered his biggest fear... anither point...it statesvthat kennys biggest weakness is thinking too much in hiw ti counter the enymys. Proff... his fight against noitra. Look it up.
As w why the siul king didnt invite him... uuuum which kings associate with ex criminals... that wiuld stain the soulking n my intuition is that he has too much pride... kind of like byakuya but in a higher level. anither thing.. inly squad 6 members wer invited... n we all know the history of squad 6. Do i need ti explain. Another thing those taken to the soul king were on the verge if death... there was nothing unihona could do 4 them.
U shiuld note kenny fights the odd balls and seemungly undefetable foes: look at him against tousen 4 eg. Do u honestly think anither shinigami. Could have beat tiusen in his bankai?
Saying kenny wasnt fighting quality sternsbis laughable.... even cc killed just 2 sterns yet yiu shrug off kennys feat. In top if it gremmy was cinsidered a minsterveven by ither minster stern standards... and ti say fake juha saw kenny as ni yhreat is laughable.... look at the look haschwalt had when kenny had vs when ichigo attacked real juha. Which expression showed terror? theres a story there... but thats a debate fir anither day.
In summury... kenny isvthe strongest shinigami in ss right now.

How i'm a a fanboy?? You just admitted to being a Kenpachi fanboy. Lol what does Kyoraku do?? Drink Tea?? Do you honestly think Yamamoto would make him a Captain if he though he was weak? Remember what Juha said?? He said the first captains of the Original Gotei 13 were the most powerful and the most feared. And those Captains include : Kyoraku, Ukitake and Unohana. With Yamamoto leading them. By the way, i'm not sure if you're trolling me or not, but for ****s sake improve your english before you start an argument next time.
Kenpachi fanboys are funny. They treat him like a God, yet he got the most embarrassing defeat so far. He lost to a bunch of girls, and these are the same girls who Ichigo had no problem soloing. And so what if Yamamoto killed 2 and Kenpachi killed 3? Does that make Kenpachi stronger than Yamamoto just because Zaraki killed 3 sternritter? And FYI, The Sternritter Yamamoto fought was using his Lieutenant's Bankai while all the sternritter that Kenpachi has fought have never used Bankai against him. ''I Believe Kenpachi is smarter than Kyoraku''. You and your beliefs must be retarded then. So what if he managed to analyze Tousen's Bankai? Any Captain with battle experience would be able to do that instantly.
Jesus Christ you are dumb. Only Squad 6 members were invited? Is Rukia a member of Squad 6? How about Ichigo? Kyoraku has a hundred years of battle experience compared to Kenpachi. Get off Zaraki's **** and stop being a fanboy. As me and ssjelf keep repeating, as of right now Kyoraku is much stronger, but in the Future, Kenpachi might be able to surpass him. End of discussion. Btw Nice try on the troll.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

The fact still remains that Kyoraku has a bankai and Kenny doesn't. That settles it. Kyoraku bankai/shikai are not battle type, they are kido type, or something similar. As in it true power comes to play with intelligence and trickery. We saw what Kyoraku could do in shikai alone and I still don't believe he was serious. he isn't the type to get serious, but when he does, then all hell breaks loose, just like with Yamamoto. They take things slowly, but annihilate their opponent if they feel they need to.

It would be a tough battle for Kenpachi even with Kyoraku in shikai because of the nature of the shikai. It is tricky. For example, having the higher ground, the shadow game and the color game. It would be quite awhile before Kenpachi figured it out. His strength may have improved, but his intelligence and kido haven't. Stark is smarter than Kenpachi for sure.

We still don't know the abilities of Kyoraku's bankai, but odds are that it is even more sneaky and even more deadly. Utitake didn't want his bankai revealed for a reason. It's dangerous and deadly.

Regarding Kenny eyepatch, yes it hides his power, but as we can see, with sufficient force, you can stop him before he removes it. But even if he does remove it, what does it gain him against an opponent like Kyoraku. More power?? Because sheer power isn't something that will stop an opponent like him, you need strategy and you need to keep you cool. notice how Kenpachis opponents are always power based. Ichigo, Noitora, gremmy. It always about who has more force. Gremmy can be argued regarding that, but ultimately he fell into the power game.

And dont underestimate Kido, as we can see in many battles, it has helped the winner get and edge and win the battle. Hado 99 is probably on a scale greater than Kenpachi's power or at least equivalent. Kyoraku has a 100 in Kido and Kenpachi still probaby has 0. Odds are that Kyoraku can perform it in the right battle area without bystanders.

Kyoraku win high diff, but in time I do think Kenpachi will surpass him.

Lol wat does that mean kyoraku had a bankai an zaraki don't?.aizen beat everybody with a shikai aswell...anyway don't ever put kyoraku in the same category as Yama we seen kyoraku get serious he still struggled with starkk he ended up beating a powerless starkk in the end so he gets no points for that.

Naw it will be tough for kyoraku, his shikai may be somewhat tricky but he will have to cut zaraki 1000 times before zaraki goes down so once he gets the hang of kyoraku shikai it's over an zaraki reaction to things are great not even unohana can land a hit on him when he is at his peak..kyoraku coming in close range with zaraki is a bad Idea.

Tosen bankai was tricky aswell but zaraki found his way out...kyoraku tricky probly won't matter in the face of a power house like zaraki..just like with Yama an aizen,aizen sword is very tricky but still admitted Yama would most likely beat him due to the overwhelming power of ryuujin jakka...an like I said before we still don't know the true ability of zaraki shikai.

Zaraki not stupid he fights according to his opponent..he will come up with a plan if his opponent is to hard for him to hit it may take him sometime to make that plan but aye that's zaraki for you.

Lol no I doubt kyoraku can perform a 99 level kido without the whole chant first.

Naw I think kyoraku loses..for some reason I think zaraki is going to be on al transcendent level once he removes his eye patch..seeing as he beat a captain like unohana without much effort as a kid, an she said nothing about his spirtual pressure she did not even know he was there untill he hopped out the pile of bodies..there's a reason kubo did not make him take it off in his fight with gremmy an after the fight aswell.

 

[ssjelf]

Lol wat does that mean kyoraku had a bankai an zaraki don't?.aizen beat everybody with a shikai aswell...anyway don't ever put kyoraku in the same category as Yama we seen kyoraku get serious he still struggled with starkk he ended up beating a powerless starkk in the end so he gets no points for that.

Naw it will be tough for kyoraku, his shikai may be somewhat tricky but he will have to cut zaraki 1000 times before zaraki goes down so once he gets the hang of kyoraku shikai it's over an zaraki reaction to things are great not even unohana can land a hit on him when he is at his peak..kyoraku coming in close range with zaraki is a bad Idea.

Tosen bankai was tricky aswell but zaraki found his way out...kyoraku tricky probly won't matter in the face of a power house like zaraki..just like with Yama an aizen,aizen sword is very tricky but still admitted Yama would most likely beat him due to the overwhelming power of ryuujin jakka...an like I said before we still don't know the true ability of zaraki shikai.

Zaraki not stupid he fights according to his opponent..he will come up with a plan if his opponent is to hard for him to hit it may take him sometime to make that plan but aye that's zaraki for you.

Lol no I doubt kyoraku can perform a 99 level kido without the whole chant first.

Naw I think kyoraku loses..for some reason I think zaraki is going to be on al transcendent level once he removes his eye patch..seeing as he beat a captain like unohana without much effort as a kid, an she said nothing about his spirtual pressure she did not even know he was there untill he hopped out the pile of bodies..there's a reason kubo did not make him take it off in his fight with gremmy an after the fight aswell.

Aizen is aizen, He is a different story and also goes to show how powerful someone can be when using a non-conventional zanpakuto. Secondly, Stark was espada #1, "powerless" hahaha OK. His power just didn't seem like much because he wasn't fighting a weak opponent. And no, Kyoraku was not serious during that fight, he didn't even use bankai.

If Zaraki has a bankai then the axe was his bankai. Even ichigo needed three days with the sped up traning process to achieve it. Zaraki had no such training, he only removed his limits and learned his zanpakuto's name. He only is just getting on good terms with it, he still needs to summon it to the real world.

If zaraki removes his eyepatch he will only be able to slice bigger meteors, don't mean much if you dodge.

Zaraki isn't stupid but he isn't very smart either. Tosen has a tricky bankai for sure, but don't put Tosen at Kyoraku level.

I never said that he didn't have to chant, and having to chant means nothing in bleach when most people stand there confused and then they get hit. Also, don't know if you know this, but people have legs, they can move and speak at the same time, so gl on hitting him while chanting.

Only transcendent power at the end of this will be Ichigo and bach and aizen, Zaraki has much more to learn, if he gets bankai then he can beat Kyoraku, until then GG.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Aizen is aizen, He is a different story and also goes to show how powerful someone can be when using a non-conventional zanpakuto. Secondly, Stark was espada #1, "powerless" hahaha OK. His power just didn't seem like much because he wasn't fighting a weak opponent. And no, Kyoraku was not serious during that fight, he didn't even use bankai.

If Zaraki has a bankai then the axe was his bankai. Even ichigo needed three days with the sped up traning process to achieve it. Zaraki had no such training, he only removed his limits and learned his zanpakuto's name. He only is just getting on good terms with it, he still needs to summon it to the real world.

If zaraki removes his eyepatch he will only be able to slice bigger meteors, don't mean much if you dodge.

Zaraki isn't stupid but he isn't very smart either. Tosen has a tricky bankai for sure, but don't put Tosen at Kyoraku level.

I never said that he didn't have to chant, and having to chant means nothing in bleach when most people stand there confused and then they get hit. Also, don't know if you know this, but people have legs, they can move and speak at the same time, so gl on hitting him while chanting.

Only transcendent power at the end of this will be Ichigo and bach and aizen, Zaraki has much more to learn, if he gets bankai then he can beat Kyoraku, until then GG.

An zaraki is zaraki he beats people without the use of a zanpacto ability witch eveyother soul reaper relies on..an yes when kyoraku beat starkk,starkk only had swords no wolves or cero guns thanks to kyoraku little sneak attack..an yea kyoraku took that fight serious an used all his shikai abilities inorder to win if anything starkk was the one that won't serious...even starkk wanted to take it easy but kyoraku was like naw that can't happen..an yea kyoraku would have needed bankai inorder to beat a full powered starkk plain an simple manga proves that..an if a vs thread was made between gremmy an stark best believe more people will pick gremmy over starkk.

I never said zaraki had bankai that axe thing is his shikai people say bankai when they use bankai..zaraki fought for a long time with unohana down there the chapters just made it seem short an zaraki sword been trying to talk to zaraki for long time now but sense his power was suppressed he could not hear it so don't be surprised if he does have bankai but he most likely won't.

Yea but his swings can create shock waves espacially if he uses two hands with that kendo stuff...an you don't just doge zaraki all day he will land a hit an it will be devastating.

Not putting tosen on kyoraku level but zaraki can find ways to get out of tricky situation.

An yea the zaraki at the moment will stand there an wait for the kido just so he can cut threw it, no number kido has the power of gremmy meteor so don't expect it to do anything an binding kido will be pointless espacially from someone at kyoraku level on someone like zaraki.

Zaraki can be transcendent just not on the level of ichigo,Bach,uryu, or aizen...if not transcendent, then his spirtual pressure should be close or pass Yama's once that eye patch is removed...just like the central 46 member said before zaraki training he says if zaraki gets any stronger he will be unstoppable an kyoraku did not disagree with him.

 

[ssjelf]

An zaraki is zaraki he beats people without the use of a zanpacto ability witch eveyother soul reaper relies on..an yes when kyoraku beat starkk,starkk only had swords no wolves or cero guns thanks to kyoraku little sneak attack..an yea kyoraku took that fight serious an used all his shikai abilities inorder to win if anything starkk was the one that won't serious...even starkk wanted to take it easy but kyoraku was like naw that can't happen..an yea kyoraku would have needed bankai inorder to beat a full powered starkk plain an simple manga proves that..an if a vs thread was made between gremmy an stark best believe more people will pick gremmy over starkk.

I never said zaraki had bankai that axe thing is his shikai people say bankai when they use bankai..zaraki fought for a long time with unohana down there the chapters just made it seem short an zaraki sword been trying to talk to zaraki for long time now but sense his power was suppressed he could not hear it so don't be surprised if he does have bankai but he most likely won't.

Yea but his swings can create shock waves espacially if he uses two hands with that kendo stuff...an you don't just doge zaraki all day he will land a hit an it will be devastating.

Not putting tosen on kyoraku level but zaraki can find ways to get out of tricky situation.

An yea the zaraki at the moment will stand there an wait for the kido just so he can cut threw it, no number kido has the power of gremmy meteor so don't expect it to do anything an binding kido will be pointless espacially from someone at kyoraku level on someone like zaraki.

Zaraki can be transcendent just not on the level of ichigo,Bach,uryu, or aizen...if not transcendent, then his spirtual pressure should be close or pass Yama's once that eye patch is removed...just like the central 46 member said before zaraki training he says if zaraki gets any stronger he will be unstoppable an kyoraku did not disagree with him.

But stark was still beat right??? It doesn't matter how you won, what matters is that you won. This is exactly the type of strategy that Kyoraku would use on Kenpachi, anything that lets you win. No Kyoraku isn't a fair fighter, but that makes him strong. You can bet that Kyoraku would do anything to win, and that is what makes him stronger. If he can beat a tougher opponent because of strategy, that makes him better.

I wasn't saying Stark was stornger than gremmy, but Kyoraku didn't need a bankai and I still don't believe he was serious when fighting. Say what you will about it but he wasn't that serious.

Hado 99 is a reveal that's been waiting a long time, it will be more powerful than almost anything shown to date, and it might not even be an explosion, it could be something else that works on a different level. Something you can't simply chop through. And binding kdio do work just not for an extended period, they seem to even hold very powerful enemies for at least a second. you could also layer a few but I really wasn't betting on them to win the fight for Kyoraku anyway.

Kyoraku didn't show all his shikai abilities, it all depends on what his zanpakuto feels like playing, Kyoraku bankai will also be something to witness I am sure. There is a reason why his bankai has been put of so long, just like with Yama's. Not saying it wil be as powerful as Yama's, but we have been waiting on his bankai since near the beginning. It has been hyped a lot so be prepared when it is revealed cuz its gonna blow away what you have seen from zaraki.

 

[The 1 who knows]

How i'm a a fanboy?? You just admitted to being a Kenpachi fanboy. Lol what does Kyoraku do?? Drink Tea?? Do you honestly think Yamamoto would make him a Captain if he though he was weak? Remember what Juha said?? He said the first captains of the Original Gotei 13 were the most powerful and the most feared. And those Captains include : Kyoraku, Ukitake and Unohana. With Yamamoto leading them. By the way, i'm not sure if you're trolling me or not, but for ****s sake improve your english before you start an argument next time.
Kenpachi fanboys are funny. They treat him like a God, yet he got the most embarrassing defeat so far. He lost to a bunch of girls, and these are the same girls who Ichigo had no problem soloing. And so what if Yamamoto killed 2 and Kenpachi killed 3? Does that make Kenpachi stronger than Yamamoto just because Zaraki killed 3 sternritter? And FYI, The Sternritter Yamamoto fought was using his Lieutenant's Bankai while all the sternritter that Kenpachi has fought have never used Bankai against him. ''I Believe Kenpachi is smarter than Kyoraku''. You and your beliefs must be retarded then. So what if he managed to analyze Tousen's Bankai? Any Captain with battle experience would be able to do that instantly.
Jesus Christ you are dumb. Only Squad 6 members were invited? Is Rukia a member of Squad 6? How about Ichigo? Kyoraku has a hundred years of battle experience compared to Kenpachi. Get off Zaraki's **** and stop being a fanboy. As me and ssjelf keep repeating, as of right now Kyoraku is much stronger, but in the Future, Kenpachi might be able to surpass him. End of discussion. Btw Nice try on the troll.

Lol... so now my english is being attacked? well how is it now? are you satisfied?
As you said... bach said 1st generation were bad news... kid kenny beat unohona who is stronger than your kyoraku... logic dictates that kenny is stronger.
Yes he lost to some girls.. after an epic battle with who? gremmy? whi us gremmy? am monster aming the sterns who no 1 dared to mess with. And ichigo beating them... i beg ti differ.. are they still standing? yes or no?
Haha now you have lost me... which squad is rukia in? boss get your facts right...
I brought up the number of sterns cc has killed to get him iut of the argument bcs he is dead.... histiry... gone.... u understand?
if you watched the pendulum arc you wouldnt be belittling tousens bankai and claiming any1 with battle experience would ciunter it.
Fact is kyoraku is strong.... but kenny is hell stronger.

 

[Shiroyasha]

Lol... so now my english is being attacked? well how is it now? are you satisfied?
As you said... bach said 1st generation were bad news... kid kenny beat unohona who is stronger than your kyoraku... logic dictates that kenny is stronger.
Yes he lost to some girls.. after an epic battle with who? gremmy? whi us gremmy? am monster aming the sterns who no 1 dared to mess with. And ichigo beating them... i beg ti differ.. are they still standing? yes or no?
Haha now you have lost me... which squad is rukia in? boss get your facts right...
I brought up the number of sterns cc has killed to get him iut of the argument bcs he is dead.... histiry... gone.... u understand?
if you watched the pendulum arc you wouldnt be belittling tousens bankai and claiming any1 with battle experience would ciunter it.
Fact is kyoraku is strong.... but kenny is hell stronger.

Are you retarded? You just said Rukia is in the 6th Division. ''Only Members of the 6th Division were invited to the Royal Palace'' That's exactly what you said. Rukia is actually in the 13th Division retard... Get your facts right before you make false claims. Kyoraku and Ukitake were both in the 1st Generation as well Omfg. Do you even read the manga?? Kid Kenpachi never beat Unohana. That was NEVER stated. He lost to her, which is why he admired her and wanted to fight like her. You should really pay attention when reading the manga (Which i doubt you do). And Do you know why Kenpachi is weak? Do you know why he has a hard time talking to his Zanpakutou? Because it's not even his in the first place! Even Oetsu Nimaiya said he knows every single Asauchi that he's ever made, and the one Kenpachi wields doesn't belong to him. A Zanpakutou is part of a Shinigami's Soul. And because Kenpachi doesn't have that bond, he'll never be truly powerful.
It takes more than Eyesight and a strong arm to be a warrior. You can't always win a battle using brute force, it doesn't always work like that. And this is something that Kenpachi and his fanboys will never understand. I could do this all day long, keep it up.

 

[apple pie of doom]

Strongest?
Or the one most likely to win a fight?
Because if its just brute force I'd say Kenpachi or Komomura in human form.

Most likely to win a fight I'd say Kyoraku, Ukitake or, strangely enough Mayuri, if he has time ot prepare at least.
But of course, if Aizen is in the equation I'd have to say Aizen.

 

[The 1 who knows]

Are you retarded? You just said Rukia is in the 6th Division. ''Only Members of the 6th Division were invited to the Royal Palace'' That's exactly what you said. Rukia is actually in the 13th Division retard... Get your facts right before you make false claims. Kyoraku and Ukitake were both in the 1st Generation as well Omfg. Do you even read the manga?? Kid Kenpachi never beat Unohana. That was NEVER stated. He lost to her, which is why he admired her and wanted to fight like her. You should really pay attention when reading the manga (Which i doubt you do). And Do you know why Kenpachi is weak? Do you know why he has a hard time talking to his Zanpakutou? Because it's not even his in the first place! Even Oetsu Nimaiya said he knows every single Asauchi that he's ever made, and the one Kenpachi wields doesn't belong to him. A Zanpakutou is part of a Shinigami's Soul. And because Kenpachi doesn't have that bond, he'll never be truly powerful.
It takes more than Eyesight and a strong arm to be a warrior. You can't always win a battle using brute force, it doesn't always work like that. And this is something that Kenpachi and his fanboys will never understand. I could do this all day long, keep it up.

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You were saying something about kid kenny and unohana... what was it... i seem to have missed your point.
The only reason kenny is not 100% in sync with his zan is because in the past he saw it as a tool which shouldnt be the case.

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I dont know where you got that nonsense if saying kenny is weak because he stole an asuuchi... as for the bond duuh its been estanlished already.

 

[Shiroyasha]

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You were saying something about kid kenny and unohana... what was it... i seem to have missed your point.
The only reason kenny is not 100% in sync with his zan is because in the past he saw it as a tool which shouldnt be the case.

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I dont know where you got that nonsense if saying kenny is weak because he stole an asuuchi... as for the bond duuh its been estanlished already.

Actually, the bond hasn't fully been established until he enters his inner world and communicates with his Zanpakutou. But the first stage has been done, he's finally learnt it's name. Haha i love how Kubo has turned Kenpachi into a Saiyan. With each battle, when he's on the verge of death, his power increases. Anyways, it seems we've reached an agreement. GG Man. Thanks for the debate

 

[jiraiya nindo]

Kenpachi is the strongest IMO right now. All the other fighters in SS, came to his aid to try and rescue him from being killed. Normally in bleach, they wont leave their own fights to help another because of their pride and honor but by coming to try and save kenpachi is almost an acknowledgment that kenpachi is the strongest and they can't afford to lose him.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

But stark was still beat right??? It doesn't matter how you won, what matters is that you won. This is exactly the type of strategy that Kyoraku would use on Kenpachi, anything that lets you win. No Kyoraku isn't a fair fighter, but that makes him strong. You can bet that Kyoraku would do anything to win, and that is what makes him stronger. If he can beat a tougher opponent because of strategy, that makes him better.

I wasn't saying Stark was stornger than gremmy, but Kyoraku didn't need a bankai and I still don't believe he was serious when fighting. Say what you will about it but he wasn't that serious.

Hado 99 is a reveal that's been waiting a long time, it will be more powerful than almost anything shown to date, and it might not even be an explosion, it could be something else that works on a different level. Something you can't simply chop through. And binding kdio do work just not for an extended period, they seem to even hold very powerful enemies for at least a second. you could also layer a few but I really wasn't betting on them to win the fight for Kyoraku anyway.

Kyoraku didn't show all his shikai abilities, it all depends on what his zanpakuto feels like playing, Kyoraku bankai will also be something to witness I am sure. There is a reason why his bankai has been put of so long, just like with Yama's. Not saying it wil be as powerful as Yama's, but we have been waiting on his bankai since near the beginning. It has been hyped a lot so be prepared when it is revealed cuz its gonna blow away what you have seen from zaraki.

Lol no kyoraku had to sneak starkk while starkk was fighting two other opponents that shows you kyoraku can not win by himself in shikai vs a full power starkk...now if kyoraku were to have pulled off an attack like that against a full power starkk in a 1on1 battle then kyoraku would be amazing but seeing as he needed two other people to distract starkk first it makes kyoraku look weaker.

Zaraki did not need a bankai for his opponent ether he did not even use his shikai special ability or take off his eye patch for an opponent that has a stronger arsonal than starkk does now wat does that tell you?..an yea starkk was serious that's why he was bout to use bankai..an at first he told starkk no matter how strong you get I won't use bankai.

Well we seen bakudo #99 an that is not strong enough ether...an binding kido will probly work for a quick second on a patched zaraki now if he's Unpatched don't even bother useing it on him.

He did show all his shikai abilities fighting starkk it's just that his zanpacto was not letting him play the color or the shadow game when the fight first started not like it would have mattered anyway sense kyoraku could not get close to starkk thanks to the cero guns..we've also been waiting for zaraki to be the way he is now with his shikai cuz we all knew zaraki potential was great an once he takes off his eye patch it will probaly blow away everything that kyoraku has.

 

[crackpot]

Lol no kyoraku had to sneak starkk while starkk was fighting two other opponents that shows you kyoraku can not win by himself in shikai vs a full power starkk...now if kyoraku were to have pulled off an attack like that against a full power starkk in a 1on1 battle then kyoraku would be amazing but seeing as he needed two other people to distract starkk first it makes kyoraku look weaker.

Zaraki did not need a bankai for his opponent ether he did not even use his shikai special ability or take off his eye patch for an opponent that has a stronger arsonal than starkk does now wat does that tell you?..an yea starkk was serious that's why he was bout to use bankai..an at first he told starkk no matter how strong you get I won't use bankai.

Well we seen bakudo #99 an that is not strong enough ether...an binding kido will probly work for a quick second on a patched zaraki now if he's Unpatched don't even bother useing it on him.

He did show all his shikai abilities fighting starkk it's just that his zanpacto was not letting him play the color or the shadow game when the fight first started not like it would have mattered anyway sense kyoraku could not get close to starkk thanks to the cero guns..we've also been waiting for zaraki to be the way he is now with his shikai cuz we all knew zaraki potential was great an once he takes off his eye patch it will probaly blow away everything that kyoraku has.

You're forgetting that Stark also needed Wonderweiss as a distraction to get a hit on Kyoraku.... So does Stark look weaker because he needed Kyoraku's best friend getting killed as a distraction to get a hit on Kyoraku? No it doesn't because all is fair in war.


Shunsui was waiting for Stark to use his strongest move to use Bankai..... He knew Stark was hiding it (And called him out for it) and wanted to save his Bankai for the wolves which were released later.... But due to circumstances he didn't even need to use his Bankai.

I am not saying that Shunsui is stronger than Zaraki because he probably isn't but you're looking at the Stark vs Shunsui fight in the wrong perspective..... It was implied right from the beginning that they were shown as beings of equal strength in which Stark even acknowledged that Shunsui was very strong. Throughout the fight Shunsui just didn't feel the need to use Bankai, if Stark had released the wolves on Shunsui 1v1 then we would have seen Bankai..... And Shunsui would have still probably won. So my take is that Shunsui wouldn't fodderize Zaraki nor Zaraki fodderize Shunsui but it will be a battle fought hard by Kenpachi.... Shunsui wouldn't make it easy for him. But you never know Shunsui's shikai is OP and thinking about Bankai it may turn things in Shunsui's favour so we actually don't know..... But as of now I reckon Kenpachi would win if Shikai vs Shikai

But I do think that Kyoraku and Ukitake would be considered as one SWP because their combined power was said to surpass all before and after them which was said by Yama. And Kubo has done very well at keeping their teamwork a secret and even in the databooks the Shunsui and Ukitake vs Yama fight was considered a draw while other fights that didn't finish were definite losses or wins.