[Question] Oda. Do you think he can keep One Piece on this quality level for another decade?

[ReverseZero12]

If oda can maintain the same passion that he has for one piece now within the next 10 years or so then one piece should maintain it's quality as long as oda's health does not get significantly worse over time.

 

[senju tobirama10]

Yal ova here making these big ass post fa what doe yall not never going to see eye eye

 

[Hexuze]

No I'm not in denial. I'm never vague in all the other arguments we've been in and I never will be. Why are you all of a suddenly claiming that I vague? You were the one who failed to perceive the OBVIOUS implications. All these wild assumptions are unnecessary and inaccurate. You remind me of welfin from Hunter x Hunter becuase you're overthinking my actions like that.
My ENTIRE point revolves around the difference between Naruto fans and One Piece fans and their point of view.
I'm doing all this to show you that there has been no quality drop in Naruto. It's the fans only, and the internet fans at that. People that I know in real life that read a variety of manga including Naruto don't see any drop in quality. It's a mainstream internet ideal. If this was universal opinion on Naruto, then it would obviously be reflected in the sales. Naruto sales have remained steady for years and has been at the top of North american sales since day one.

You can barely describe a flaw, and once I proved that it's not a flaw, you make something else out of it. Naruto has dropped in quality and literally most people will agree to this. The current arc isn't as great as the arcs in Naruto part 1. Most people are just reading it to see how it ends since they've been with the series for so long, not because it's so great. They're just curious in seeing how it ends. The "Fourth Shinobi World War" doesn't even feel like a world war, let alone a war. People would agree that the MF war is better than the war in Naruto & Oda never intended on it being so big either! There's only like what... 5 nations participating and like 70-80% of each nations are consist of fodders or people that pose not much of a threat to the opponent (Obito/Madara/Kaguya). Quit wanking to Naruto, you're becoming delusional of it's flaws.

Why would it reflect on sales? Sales have their own biases as well and don't involve sales into this since it doesn't mean anything.

Where in the manga does it ever say that Luffy doesn't want to fight him in the well? Where does it say that Luffy was trying to figure out whether or not it was a clone? That's stupid anyway. What if it WAS the actual Doflamingo? He could have done serious damage. Why would you blow the chance to get the guy you want most just to see if it was a clone or not? Better safe than sorry. Either way, Luffy isn't smart. He would never rationalize like that. For Luffy to go around saying he was going to kick Doffy's ass as much as he did and then provide a poor effort at doing it is out of his character. It was "plot no jutsu" and a writing inconsistency. jet pistol is not weak but it's the most basic of all his attacks and an attack that would have been more effective. The least he could have done was equip armament haki or used jet gatling. The more you try and explain why it isn't i see it more and more as a flaw.
More assumptions? I read One Piece every week it comes out. I like the series. I've got no problem with it at all. I don't even see that writing inconsistency as a flaw, personally.

I actually can't name anything major off the top of my head, but then again I can't for Naruto either,.... but they're there major or minor.

Are you kidding me? It's kind of obvious that Luffy doesn't want to fight in the well. Like I said, the water is already a disadvantage enough, he's caught in a dead-end & he has to protect both Ucy & Law. Do you really think he's in the position in fighting Doflamingo right now? How is it "plot no jutsu"? Don't bring your naruto slang inconsistency names here. Luffy using a jet pistol against Doffy isn't a inconsistency. You read OP to criticize it. Just a narutard in disguise. You barely understood the importance of Robin's goal & the FI arc.

Nope, there's no major ones. Try finding one, but don't get too desperate over it & start stressing over it. It's bad.

I've never needed fail safes. if i'm wrong then I'm wrong. If I did, then I did it purposely because I wanted to trap you in your ideal contradictions.
Why are you the one questioning if I can read or write, but your grammar and sentence structure is third grade level?
"Why do you think I always mentioned the fact if you can read or not? "

What does that even mean? lol

Eh, I'll disagree with that. l0l Kind of ironic, since I never questioned if you can write. I only questioned if you can read. You're just reinforcing my point further that you can't read. Also, you're in no position to criticize when your grammar/"sentence structuring" isn't praise worthy either & you lack basic reading comprehension.

How does knowing this affect the major plot? How does this affect anything in the Alabast arc, Skypiea arc, Thriller Bark arc, Punk Hazard, arc or the Dressrosa?
If it doesn't have strong relevance in the overall story, then it's not plot relevant..


You didn't even respond to what I said. None of that was the majority of the arc. 90% of the arc was saving Shirahoshi, protecting Shirahoshi, saving Fishman Island, beating Hody Jones, and more saving Fishman Island.
Most likely, it will actually be important later on, but right now, it's random filler so...

The backstory of fisher tiger introduced us to Koala who is now a revolutionary and she will be of importance later on. Understanding the hate that fishmen have against humans is important in the sense that it's a step in Luffy "ending" the hate (for the most part) and eventually leading to Luffy claiming FI as his territory. The events are connected with each other, if you look at individually it won't seem that it's heavily connected to the plot. Again, it's so early for you to complain.

Protecting Shirahoshi is important to the plot, she's an ancient weapon & she will be in use for upcoming events. Hody Jones was posing a threat to the kingdom (yes Shira. as well) & the future of FI, so ofc he has to be beaten. I seriously advise you to re-read the FI arc since it seems like you didn't understand much. You're an idiot, it's not filler. Just because you don't understand the importance of something doesn't mean it's automatically filler. I doubt you actually read OP even, it seems like you just read it to point out "flaws". Whenever you post here for the most part, it's usually you trying to find a "flaw" in One Piece or try to criticize it as much as you can.

 

[hixa kuogame]

You can barely describe a flaw, and once I proved that it's not a flaw, you make something else out of it. Naruto has dropped in quality and literally most people will agree to this. The current arc isn't as great as the arcs in Naruto part 1. Most people are just reading it to see how it ends since they've been with the series for so long, not because it's so great. They're just curious in seeing how it ends. The "Fourth Shinobi World War" doesn't even feel like a world war, let alone a war. People would agree that the MF war is better than the war in Naruto & Oda never intended on it being so big either! There's only like what... 5 nations participating and like 70-80% of each nations are consist of fodders or people that pose not much of a threat to the opponent (Obito/Madara/Kaguya). Quit wanking to Naruto, you're becoming delusional of it's flaws.

Dude why are you being so ignorant? I've already responded to this argument in my quote below.

You were the one who failed to perceive the OBVIOUS implications. All these wild assumptions are unnecessary and inaccurate. You remind me of welfin from Hunter x Hunter becuase you're overthinking my actions like that.
My ENTIRE point revolves around the difference between Naruto fans and One Piece fans and their point of view.
I'm doing all this to show you that there has been no quality drop in Naruto. It's the fans only, and the internet fans at that. People that I know in real life that read a variety of manga including Naruto don't see any drop in quality. It's a mainstream internet ideal. If this was universal opinion on Naruto, then it would obviously be reflected in the sales. Naruto sales have remained steady for years and has been at the top of North american sales since day one.

Are you kidding me? It's kind of obvious that Luffy doesn't want to fight in the well. Like I said, the water is already a disadvantage enough, he's caught in a dead-end & he has to protect both Ucy & Law. Do you really think he's in the position in fighting Doflamingo right now? How is it "plot no jutsu"? Don't bring your naruto slang inconsistency names here. Luffy using a jet pistol against Doffy isn't a inconsistency. You read OP to criticize it. Just a narutard in disguise. You barely understood the importance of Robin's goal & the FI arc.

Nope, there's no major ones. Try finding one, but don't get too desperate over it & start stressing over it. It's bad.

I've checked your "downgraded quality" argument time and time again and the most you can say is "the war doesn't feel like a war".
How can you say the Shinobi war consisting of fodders is a bad thing when the Marineford war was fodder filled too?
Man your argument is so poor. Of coarse the people HERE would agree with you. I already told you that they're all contrary half wits.

Are you kidding me? It's kind of obvious that Luffy doesn't want to fight in the well. Like I said, the water is already a disadvantage enough, he's caught in a dead-end & he has to protect both Ucy & Law. Do you really think he's in the position in fighting Doflamingo right now? How is it "plot no jutsu"? Don't bring your naruto slang inconsistency names here. Luffy using a jet pistol against Doffy isn't a inconsistency. You read OP to criticize it. Just a narutard in disguise. You barely understood the importance of Robin's goal & the FI arc.

Nope, there's no major ones. Try finding one, but don't get too desperate over it & start stressing over it. It's bad.

So he takes the water, Ucy, and Law into consideration when he punches Doflamingo, but not when he punches the ceiling with a Much more reckless attack? Your argument is contradicting. He was in a position to punch a hole in the ceiling, but not throw a decent punch at the guy he hates? THAT IS A WRITING INCONSISTENCY. If you want, I'll make a thread to ask what other people think.

Why would it reflect on sales? Sales have their own biases as well and don't involve sales into this since it doesn't mean anything.

You were the one that once argued that the Naruto sales plummeted when Obito was revealed so you're contradicting yourself again. Obviously sales matter.

Eh, I'll disagree with that. l0l Kind of ironic, since I never questioned if you can write. I only questioned if you can read. You're just reinforcing my point further that you can't read. Also, you're in no position to criticize when your grammar/"sentence structuring" isn't praise worthy either & you lack basic reading comprehension.

You questioned my literacy, therefore you did question my reading AND writing capabilities. My grammar and sentence structure is actually top notch, if I say so myself. I actually make it a priority to proofread my responses. That's why I edit so much.

The backstory of fisher tiger introduced us to Koala who is now a revolutionary and she will be of importance later on. Understanding the hate that fishmen have against humans is important in the sense that it's a step in Luffy "ending" the hate (for the most part) and eventually leading to Luffy claiming FI as his territory. The events are connected with each other, if you look at individually it won't seem that it's heavily connected to the plot. Again, it's so early for you to complain.

Protecting Shirahoshi is important to the plot, she's an ancient weapon & she will be in use for upcoming events. Hody Jones was posing a threat to the kingdom (yes Shira. as well) & the future of FI, so ofc he has to be beaten. I seriously advise you to re-read the FI arc since it seems like you didn't understand much. You're an idiot, it's not filler. Just because you don't understand the importance of something doesn't mean it's automatically filler. I doubt you actually read OP even, it seems like you just read it to point out "flaws". Whenever you post here for the most part, it's usually you trying to find a "flaw" in One Piece or try to criticize it as much as you can.

"Later in the story". "it will be important later". "It has importance to the character". You keep feeding me these halfassed reasonings as to why these things are deeply plot relevant, but I'm just not seeing how any of that ties into Dressrosa or Punk Hazard except for MINOR things.

I read One Piece because I enjoy it. I actually never try and point out flaws when I'm here. I wasn't even trying to point out flaws in this thread.
The only things I actually do here is argue and respond to VMs so...

My overall purpose was not to try and argue about which series is better because I honestly couldn't care less. My point is to explain to you why it may seem like Naruto has gone "down in quality". It's not Naruto it's the fans. The Naruto fans here behave the same way I did in this thread. The same way you act towards Naruto. If you just look at it from my perspective instead of being so stubborn, you'd see where I am coming from.

 

[Hexuze]

Dude why are you being so ignorant? I've already responded to this argument in my quote below.

Doesn't answer much.

I've checked your "downgraded quality" argument time and time again and the most you can say is "the war doesn't feel like a war".
How can you say the Shinobi war consisting of fodders is a bad thing when the Marineford war was fodder filled too?
Man your argument is so poor. Of coarse the people HERE would agree with you. I already told you that they're all contrary half wits.

Shinobi war has more fodders than in the MF arc, it's more disappointing in Naruto's case since it's a world war arc. All you do is try to contradict my point by posing another question as well & you fail at it everytime. I.E. Saying MF arc was fodder filled as well. MF arc had plenty of characters that were a lot more useful than what the characters in Naruto were doing. Nope, go make a poll and ask people if this world war arc is the best Naruto arc thus far, people will say no. Well at least the ones that aren't narutards.

So he takes the water, Ucy, and Law into consideration when he punches Doflamingo, but not when he punches the ceiling with a Much more reckless attack? Your argument is contradicting. He was in a position to punch a hole in the ceiling, but not throw a decent punch at the guy he hates? THAT IS A WRITING INCONSISTENCY. If you want, I'll make a thread to ask what other people think.

Doflamingo posed as the threat to Ucy & Law when he was there... Abdullah & Jeet got rid of the clone so there was no threat well at least in the well. Go, by all means. See if it's a writing inconsistency.

You were the one that once argued that the Naruto sales plummeted when Obito was revealed so you're contradicting yourself again. Obviously sales matter.

That was in other threads and that was months ago? Stop bringing irrelevant past discussions here. Obviously my intent then was to troll you and surprisingly it worked since you're still butt-hurt over it.

You questioned my literacy, therefore you did question my reading AND writing capabilities. My grammar and sentence structure is actually top notch, if I say so myself. I actually make it a priority to proofread my responses. That's why I edit so much.

I questioned you being able to read or not, then I called you illiterate (calling you unable to read). Don't be full of yourself, if it was so top notch you wouldn't be editing so much.

"Later in the story". "it will be important later". "It has importance to the character". You keep feeding me these halfassed reasonings as to why these things are deeply plot relevant, but I'm just not seeing how any of that ties into Dressrosa or Punk Hazard except for MINOR things.

I love how you ignored all those stuff about FI because they were correct. Why don't you make a separate thread on that as well? Those aren't half-assed answers. You're literally nit-picking at this point and trying to come up with a flaw with OP because you think people "wank" to this series so much. FI/Dressrosa/PH will become much more plot relevant for future arcs as Oda placed plot devices. If someone was to skip one of those arcs they will be confused in upcoming arcs cause it is plot-related.

I read One Piece because I enjoy it. I actually never try and point out flaws when I'm here. I wasn't even trying to point out flaws in this thread.
The only things I actually do here is argue and respond to VMs so...

My overall purpose was not to try and argue about which series is better because I honestly couldn't care less. My point is to explain to you why it may seem like Naruto has gone "down in quality". It's not Naruto it's the fans. The Naruto fans here behave the same way I did in this thread. The same way you act towards Naruto. If you just look at it from my perspective instead of being so stubborn, you'd see where I am coming from.

You just were... And Naruto has dropped in quality. "It's not Naruto it's the fans", typical excuse from a naruto fanboy. Look, if you're so eager to prove me wrong then make a thread and ask people if Naruto's final arc is the best arc from the series. People will obviously disagree. It's not the best arc nor does it have potential to be so atm. So much randomness & inconsistencies/flaws. Even the title, "Fourth shinobi world war" is HIGHLY misleading". I'm done posting here, this discussion is useless since you're too stubborn to acknowledge my points since you're so caught up in trying to prove that Naruto hasn't fallen in quality or the flaws the people accuse Naruto of having, lies in their fav. series as well.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Doesn't answer much.

Shinobi war has more fodders than in the MF arc, it's more disappointing in Naruto's case since it's a world war arc. All you do is try to contradict my point by posing another question as well & you fail at it everytime. I.E. Saying MF arc was fodder filled as well. MF arc had plenty of characters that were a lot more useful than what the characters in Naruto were doing. Nope, go make a poll and ask people if this world war arc is the best Naruto arc thus far, people will say no. Well at least the ones that aren't narutards.

Shinobi war has more fodders than in the MF arc, it's more disappointing in Naruto's case since it's a world war arc.

The five kages, Kakashi, Guy, K11, Darui, Killer Bee, Kitsuchi, the strongest of the cloud, the strongest of the leaf, the strongest of the mist, the strongest of the stone, edo akatsuki, edo Asuma, edo Chiyo, edo Dan, edo 7 swordsman, edo Kinkaku and Ginkaku, edo Kage, edo jinchiriki. etc etc...

All you do is try to contradict my point by posing another question as well & you fail at it everytime. I.E. Saying MF arc was fodder filled as well. MF arc had plenty of characters that were a lot more useful than what the characters in Naruto were doing. Nope, go make a poll and ask people if this world war arc is the best Naruto arc thus far, people will say no. Well at least the ones that aren't narutards.

I question your point to point out the flaw in your logic.

I don't think this is the best arc either. I don't care about anything the people HERE say. Their opinions are void and contrary.
You say Naruto doesn't feel like a war, yet MF did? When I first watch the arc I didn't even know it was a war. How is Naruto not the one more drawn towards the war theme? Naruto had a secret HQ. MF didn't. Naruto's war was fought on multiple fronts. MF wasn't. Naruto had an alliance of shinobi. MF didn't. Naruto's war was plotted out strategically. None of that in MF.
The war arc was literally model after the themes of a real war. Mf was just two sides fighting at each other, yet MF "felt more like a war". You didn't even come up with that "doesn't feel like a war argument". Most likely, you just heard someone else say that weak complaint and hopped on the hate bandwagon without even rationalizing for yourself.

Doflamingo posed as the threat to Ucy & Law when he was there... Abdullah & Jeet got rid of the clone so there was no threat well at least in the well. Go, by all means. See if it's a writing inconsistency.

Can you tell me, where exactly in the manga is this EXPLICITLY stated that Luffy didn't attack Doflamingo effectively because "Doflamingo posed as the threat to Ucy & Law when he was there". If you have to make up excuses, then I think we know who the real "tard" here is...

That was in other threads and that was months ago? Stop bringing irrelevant past discussions here. Obviously my intent then was to troll you and surprisingly it worked since you're still butt-hurt over it.

It certainly wasn't months ago.. and you still said it. It holds weight in proving that you don't know what you're talking about, regardless of whether it was a troll. Even if it was a troll, we got into an argument over that statement so, apparently you got caught in your own trolling. It was a bad attempt at trolling, as usual.

Don't be full of yourself, if it was so top notch you wouldn't be editing so much.

It's top notch because I edit it, therefore making it somewhat presentable when it's actually read.

I questioned you being able to read or not, then I called you illiterate (calling you unable to read).

"Are you illiterate? I've meant it as a personal issue, hence the quotations but if you can read (which I'm starting to doubt if you can) I've stated the potential reasoning why Oda does it & why it makes sense.
"

First you called me illiterate, Then you questioned my reading capabilities.
You obviously don't know the definition of illiterate.
Illiterate means not being able to read OR WRITE therefore you did question my writing capabilities as well.

I love how you ignored all those stuff about FI because they were correct. Why don't you make a separate thread on that as well? Those aren't half-assed answers. You're literally nit-picking at this point and trying to come up with a flaw with OP because you think people "wank" to this series so much. FI/Dressrosa/PH will become much more plot relevant for future arcs as Oda placed plot devices. If someone was to skip one of those arcs they will be confused in upcoming arcs cause it is plot-related.

Actually I skimmed through the Majority of the Fishmen Island arc and Punk Hazard arc and I understand everything completely. The arcs are very loosely connected. "will become much more plot relevant for future arc". This again? Until it becomes relevant... It's irrelevant so...

You just were... And Naruto has dropped in quality. "It's not Naruto it's the fans", typical excuse from a naruto fanboy. Look, if you're so eager to prove me wrong then make a thread and ask people if Naruto's final arc is the best arc from the series. People will obviously disagree. It's not the best arc nor does it have potential to be so atm. So much randomness & inconsistencies/flaws. Even the title, "Fourth shinobi world war" is HIGHLY misleading".

What proof do you have that backs Naruto dropped in quality aside from socially impartial opinions of the plebs on this site?
I can tell you that the "quality drop" isn't reflected in sales.
I can tell you that Naruto has a positive opinion aside from the internet savvy fans.
Can you tell me that The "drop in quality" is reflected in the fanbase outside of, Narutobase, Narutoforums, ***********, or other sites that are abundant with spiteful Naruto fans?
Japan certainly believes Naruto is great and has always been great. Weren't you the one that once said "Japan's opinion is the one that really matters. Japan is the motherland of manga."?
The people here are contrary towards anything and they hate near everything so why would I ask them anything when the answer will be negative regardless?

How about you tell how Naruto dropped in quality because you did it once before and turned out all the "flaws" were just as prevelant in One Piece.

I'm done posting here, this discussion is useless since you're too stubborn to acknowledge my points since you're so caught up in trying to prove that Naruto hasn't fallen in quality or the flaws the people accuse Naruto of having, lies in their fav. series as well.

cop out much....

 

[Gintõki1]

Ofc he can. The great side of OP is that it gets better and better, unlike the most series that starts to go downhill when the story goes on.

 

[Avani 👑]

@hixa kuogame & Yo Momma San :

How about we agree to disagree and move on.

 

[The Sach]

Yes he can.

 

[lubricati0n]

Keep? ***** pls, he'll make it 5000000000000000x better.