SM Minato vs EMS Sasuke

[Voidstep]

I clearly showed the scan of Susanoo going down but as i've also stated what would stop him from bringing it back up? He used genjutsu while caught in genjutsu so there is no reason he shouldn't be able to use Susanoo.

That pretty much shit's on your entire post now doesn't it.

>_>
I'm surrounded by idiots

if they could activate susano'o while in genjutsu they wouldn't be in any danger
yet they rushed to break the genjutsu to try stop Kabuto from taking Itachi


they were in danger...

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they rushed to break genjutsu to be able to stop Kabuto, by using susano'o...

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what would stop them from bringing susano'o back up before they broke free from the genjutsu!?!?
maybe the god damn genjutsu, uh?? have you thought about that??
what's the point of the genjutsu if they can do everything!?!? FFS >_>

 

[TRE MERCER]

>_>
I'm surrounded by idiots

if they could activate susano'o while in genjutsu they wouldn't be in any danger
yet they rushed to break the genjutsu to try stop Kabuto from taking Itachi


they were in danger...

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they rushed to break genjutsu to be able to stop Kabuto, by using susano'o...

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what would stop them from bringing susano'o back up before they broke free from the genjutsu!?!?
maybe the god damn genjutsu, uh?? have you thought about that??
what's the point of the genjutsu if they can do everything!?!? FFS >_>

That is what you call plot my friend. Why didn't Kakashi just snipe pain? Why didn't Minato use his Sm against Juubito? Etc. The fact still remains that they can use there sharingan techs while caught in genjutsu.

 

[Voidstep]

That is what you call plot my friend. Why didn't Kakashi just snipe pain? Why didn't Minato use his Sm against Juubito? Etc. The fact still remains that they can use there sharingan techs while caught in genjutsu.

well, everything is a big plot
but we've to use what the manga gives us
otherwise this would become an even greater mess
and not all genjutsus have the same effect

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

EMS Very high diff.

 

[TRE MERCER]

well, everything is a big plot
but we've to use what the manga gives us
otherwise this would become an even greater mess
and not all genjutsus have the same effect

The manga gives us the fact that they can still use there sharingan techs while caught in sound genjutsu.

 

[lucario14]

For people that say the frog chant used by naruto against pain can paralyze sasuke,

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. Sasuke will break out of the jutsu just like he did against danzo. As shown before his body can be immobilized but his eyes are

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Also for the frog genjutsu song that J-man used against pain, this

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due to the fact that it takes time for the frogs to sync their melodies, thus giving sasuke enough time to track and dispose of the frogs.

 

[King Of Pop]

OMFG
man, I can't take you seriously anymore


why would the clones go near susano'o??
WHY??
can't you read??

why wouldn't a clone be able to run around susano'o (keeping distance) and get behind him??
WHY??
what the hell is wrong with you man??
who said they're going CQC, why the hell would they go CQC with a susano'o??
OMG

it doesn't matter if he puts enton around him
is there a limit of how far can they (Minato and clones) go??
why would they go near the fire??
WHY??
for what?? they don't have to
the more distance between them the better, it makes it easier to dodge stuff

Frog Song can be used from anywhere
they don't need to be far to use that damn genjutsu, stop saying nonsense
and I already told you how he can get close, you just can't read


OMG
I really can't be bothered to reply to all that shet
you clearly didn't understand ANYTHING
I won't waste more of my time with you

bold 1. rather than bark like a dog, if you cant tell me how the clone will run behind sasuke without him knowing or being able to do anything about it, then i suggest you dont post here.sasuke will see a clone trying to run behind him and he will stand still doing nothing? a clone will just magically run behind sasuke and latter will not anticipate it or take action? your logic is flawed on so many levels.

bold 2. frog song is your only argument and it has been countered. sasuke jumps out of the range until the genjutsu ends, minato wont teleport near because there will be no kunai close range. if he throws one sasuke deflects it back. and his clones wont be able to get behind sasuke so take that trick and give it a rest. while they are prep it he wont stand there, rather he will attack. get over it, frog song is not ending anything.

since you are getting so worked up over a simple debate then i suggest we end it.

- a clone will run behind sasuke
- the clone will use kunai
your shitty argument in a nutshell

 

[Voidstep]

The manga gives us the fact that they can still use there sharingan techs while caught in sound genjutsu.

I get what you mean
and if we didn't have this facts to support us, we could speculate that they could still use it, but the manga already showed us that they can't
so there is nothing to speculate about here

For people that say the frog chant used by naruto against pain can paralyze sasuke,

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. Sasuke will break out of the jutsu just like he did against danzo. As shown before his body can be immobilized but his eyes are

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.

Also for the frog genjutsu song that J-man used against pain, this

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due to the fact that it takes time for the frogs to sync their melodies, thus giving sasuke enough time to track and dispose of the frogs.

*sight*
- that first example you gave is from a seal, A SEAL... not a genjutsu
- the 2nd example as nothing to do with this, they were trapped in ice dude, nothing was affecting their minds >_>

the froggies need time to prep FS
no one here ever said they didn't
but they'll be on a teleporter shoulders, why would Minato let the froggies get killed when he can just teleport with them!?!? >_>

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I already told you, I'm not gonna waste more of my time discussing this with you

think whatever you like, I don't care

 

[King Of Pop]

I get what you mean
and if we didn't have this facts to support us, we could speculate that they could still use it, but the manga already showed us that they can't
so there is nothing to speculate about here



*sight*
- that first example you gave is from a seal, A SEAL... not a genjutsu
- the 2nd example as nothing to do with this, they were trapped in ice dude, nothing was affecting their minds >_>

the froggies need time to prep FS
no one here ever said they didn't
but they'll be on a teleporter shoulders, why would Minato let the froggies get killed when he can just teleport with them!?!? >_>



I already told you, I'm not gonna waste more of my time discussing this with you

think whatever you like, I don't care

lol sure mate.

 

[Mr SwizZz]

If susanoo doesnt count, Sasuke cant defend himself from Minato, he is too fast, he is defensless.
Sure he can spam Amaterasu to create a amaterasu wall around him but nothing more.

Minato is too fast for sasuke, poor guy cant even use a legit genjutsu like Itachi.

SM Minato(even faster) wins mid/low-diff

 

[King Of Pop]

If susanoo doesnt count, Sasuke cant defend himself from Minato, he is too fast, he is defensless.
Sure he can spam Amaterasu to create a amaterasu wall around him but nothing more.

Minato is too fast for sasuke, poor guy cant even use a legit genjutsu like Itachi.

SM Minato(even faster) wins mid/low-diff

and why would soosano not count? and sasuke cant use genjutsu wtf??

 

[Mr SwizZz]

and why would soosano not count? and sasuke cant use genjutsu wtf??

Susanoo doesnt count cuz the OP says so

Sasuke can use genjutsu, but it is low, weak, and Minato will break free. he will sense a disturbance in his chakra because of his Sage abilities, or ma/pa will help him. its futile.

Sasuke doesnt have a counter for ftg, no defense. Even Obito's S/T ninjutsu was useless...without Susanoo sasuke is stomped.

Its just what happened to Orochimaru when he tried to fwck with Itachi. Tsukyiomi and FTG are deadly techniques. If you cant defend yourself against them, its gg

 

[King Of Pop]

Susanoo doesnt count cuz the OP says so

Sasuke can use genjutsu, but it is low, weak, and Minato will break free. he will sense a disturbance in his chakra because of his Sage abilities, or ma/pa will help him. its futile.

Sasuke doesnt have a counter for ftg, no defense. Even Obito's S/T ninjutsu was useless...without Susanoo sasuke is stomped.

Its just what happened to Orochimaru when he tried to fwck with Itachi. Tsukyiomi and FTG are deadly techniques. If you cant defend yourself against them, its gg

pretty sure the op said no perfect soosano, not no soosano. only ps is retricted, sasuke can use other levels soo there goes your whole post.

 

[Mr SwizZz]

pretty sure the op said no perfect soosano, not no soosano. only ps is retricted, sasuke can use other levels soo there goes your whole post.

...what a useless restriction then
anyway

his susanoo cant defend against sounds genjutsu. There you go. While he is still in it, Minato rushes to sasuke, throws his kunai, teleports, tag him, teleports back somewhere on the battlefield(some kunai mark) and now he can teleport and attack him from behind inside susanoo whenever he feels like it and Sasuke cant sense it nor feel it nor he can do anything about it because Minato is way too fast.
Obito's S/t wasnt fast enough. What can sasuke do? Jack.

But im reading your debate with voidstep and imma pull out before wasting anymore time.

 

[King Of Pop]

...what a useless restriction then
anyway

his susanoo cant defend against sounds genjutsu. There you go. While he is still in it, Minato rushes to sasuke, throws his kunai, teleports, tag him, teleports back somewhere on the battlefield(some kunai mark) and now he can teleport and attack him from behind inside susanoo whenever he feels like it and Sasuke cant sense it nor feel it nor he can do anything about it because Minato is way too fast.
Obito's S/t wasnt fast enough. What can sasuke do? Jack.

But im reading your debate with voidstep and imma pull out before wasting anymore time.

you just basically repeated what he said. yh you should go lol cos your post was full of horse shit. now scram

 

[TRE MERCER]

I get what you mean
and if we didn't have this facts to support us, we could speculate that they could still use it, but the manga already showed us that they can't
so there is nothing to speculate about here



*sight*
- that first example you gave is from a seal, A SEAL... not a genjutsu
- the 2nd example as nothing to do with this, they were trapped in ice dude, nothing was affecting their minds >_>

the froggies need time to prep FS
no one here ever said they didn't
but they'll be on a teleporter shoulders, why would Minato let the froggies get killed when he can just teleport with them!?!? >_>



I already told you, I'm not gonna waste more of my time discussing this with you

think whatever you like, I don't care

They didn't even try to. My point still remains valid.

Also lets just agree to disagree because this is going no where.

 

[lucario14]

*sight*
- that first example you gave is from a seal, A SEAL... not a genjutsu
- the 2nd example as nothing to do with this, they were trapped in ice dude, nothing was affecting their minds >_>

the froggies need time to prep FS
no one here ever said they didn't
but they'll be on a teleporter shoulders, why would Minato let the froggies get killed when he can just teleport with them!?!? >_>

My first example's technique is not genjutsu, it's an immobilizing technique like kabuto's white rage. Danzo's seal is the same. Doujutsu can still be uses in the immobilized state.

The second example is the genjutsu one that needs time to be prepped. Minato teleporting from place to place disturbs the prepping because the frogs need to sync their melodies. Can't exactly do it when you're constantly changing locations.

If these two strategies don't work, which I've proven they don't, then minato has no way of winning.

 

[Voidstep]

My first example's technique is not genjutsu, it's an immobilizing technique like kabuto's white rage. Danzo's seal is the same. Doujutsu can still be uses in the immobilized state.

The second example is the genjutsu one that needs time to be prepped. Minato teleporting from place to place disturbs the prepping because the frogs need to sync their melodies. Can't exactly do it when you're constantly changing locations.

If these two strategies don't work, which I've proven they don't, then minato has no way of winning.

and there you go again, comparing apples to oranges

why are you talking about the seal, white rage, ice and genjutsu!?!? wtf
they can't move, so is all the same thing!?!? c'mon man

we already saw what happened when Itachi and Sasuke got caught by a lower sound genjutsu, so bringing up this silly comparisons makes no sense at all

this is what FS does....

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FS paralyses nerves, mind and body
this is what happens when you get caught in FS....

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and when the froggies finished prep time is fast to use the genjutsu...

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[lucario14]

and there you go again, comparing apples to oranges

why are you talking about the seal, white rage, ice and genjutsu!?!? wtf
they can't move, so is all the same thing!?!? c'mon man

we already saw what happened when Itachi and Sasuke got caught by a lower sound genjutsu, so bringing up this silly comparisons makes no sense at all

this is what FS does....

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FS paralyses nerves, mind and body
this is what happens when you get caught in FS....

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and when the froggies finished prep time is fast to use the genjutsu...

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Because they are different. The frog song used by jiraiya is different from the frog chant used by naruto. Did you look at my first post properly? One is immobolization, one is genjutsu. Don't compare the genjutsu one to tayuya's flute. Her one takes effect almost immediately, the frog song one takes time.

They are not going to be able to finish prep. Sasuke ems is very fast. As fast if not faster than kcm naruto lol as if he's just going to let the frogs prep the genjutsu. The only way minato can evade is by using ftg. If they are constantly teleporting from place to place, the frogs can't sync their melodies meaning they won't get to prep their attack.

Sasuke can take note of all the kunai in the surrounding area and he can stand inside his susanoo firing kagutsuchi projectiles at minato and his kunai locations if minato just spams ftg.

 

[naruto7861]

Sasuke wins midd diff