EMS Itachi Vs Healthy Nagato

[Lana Del Taka]

Itachi wrecks.

 

[V h o]

Yeah give Itachi something he never had....

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

Yeah give Itachi something he never had....

Lol ? Anyway I don't know what to gives to Nagato , hes has pretty much everything .

 

[Mr SwizZz]

Itachi MS already defeated healthy nagato. He only needed help of Bee/KCM Naruto in the fight to escape CB, nothing else.
but seeing as PS has enormous destruction capabilities, he can escape CB on his own.

Itachi takes this mid-low diff

 

[naruto7861]

With all of that said I'm not rooting for Itachi . Considering the fact Nagato is healthy , If a weak one using Deva Path ( Pain ) could destroy Konoha in one blow or create that big ass Chibaku tensei , I think Nagato is seriously underrated here . A wayy bigger Chibaku tensei + Gedo Mazo should be feared .

The reason he destroyed konoha was cuzz there was no one good to stop him tsunade was occupied and kakashi was the only one if guy was there or naruto from the start it wouldn't have happened imagine jiraiya being there with that much Intel jiraiya kakashi guy and naruto vs six paths of pain not to mention all other leaf joinins like neji chouza etc

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

The reason he destroyed konoha was cuzz there was no one good to stop him tsunade was occupied and kakashi was the only one if guy was there or naruto from the start it would have happened

I'm making an observation about the fact that Nagato was already weak when he performed the jutsu who destroyed Konoha in one blow . Now simply imagine his firepower if he was healthy mate .,

 

[naruto7861]

I'm making an observation about the fact that Nagato was already weak when he performed the jutsu who destroyed Konoha in one blow . Now simply imagine his firepower if he was healthy mate .,

he was healthy he just didn't have legs also doing that big bomb takes up a huge amount chakra

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

he was healthy he just didn't have legs also doing that big bomb takes up a huge amount chakra

Haha no mate he was sucked off his life force and seriously weakened I don't even know why . He couldn't even walk . Plus Nagato was always portrayed as being weakened by these massive rods ripping his back.

 

[naruto7861]

Haha no mate he was sucked off his life force and seriously weakened I don't even know why . He couldn't even walk . Plus Nagato was always portrayed as being weakened by these massive rods ripping his back.

I still don't see healthy nagato even with legs soloing kakashi jiraiya let alone 8 gates guy would one shot plus naruto I don't even see the six paths winning against them jiraiya took out 3 and kakashi took out 1 naruto took out all if I'm not wrong

 

[ByakuganUser]

I think that Nagato would win! Can he absorb Susanoo and Amaterasu?

 

[naruto7861]

I think that Nagato would win! Can he absorb Susanoo and Amaterasu?

No he can't absorb them but he can repel amaterasu

 

[Jimihendrix]

preta path gg

EDIT: Nagato shits

 

[Jimihendrix]

rinnegan > ems

always has been, always will be

 

[Rufus ShinRa]

Nagato take this low-med diff.............

 

[Mr SwizZz]

Nagato take this low-med diff.............

Itachi can escape Chibaku Tensei on his own, Perfect Susanoo has higher destruction power than normal susanoo.
Itachi can blitz him(like he did before). He is faster, healthy(he can spam his EMS) and more intelligent.
Nagato has brute force but refer to WZ's quote when Sasuke(CS 2 enhanced) broke out of Tsukyiomi.

 

[naruto7861]

Itachi wins

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

I still don't see healthy nagato even with legs soloing kakashi jiraiya let alone 8 gates guy would one shot plus naruto I don't even see the six paths winning against them jiraiya took out 3 and kakashi took out 1 naruto took out all if I'm not wrong

6 paths of pain solo both kakashi and jiraiya at the same time . They can't if you add guy .

 

[naruto7861]

How can they solo kakashi and jiraiya if they have Intel and jiraiya took out 3 and kakashi took out 1 there's 2 left

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

How can they solo kakashi and jiraiya if they have Intel and jiraiya took out 3 and kakashi took out 1 there's 2 left

Deva Path . Chikaku tensei , Chou Shinra Tensei obliterates

 

[Rufus ShinRa]

Itachi can escape Chibaku Tensei on his own, Perfect Susanoo has higher destruction power than normal susanoo.
Itachi can blitz him(like he did before). He is faster, healthy(he can spam his EMS) and more intelligent.
Nagato has brute force but refer to WZ's quote when Sasuke(CS 2 enhanced) broke out of Tsukyiomi.

Read this my friend i hope you change you opinion.........

Nagato can counter his Tsukyiomi and genjutsu

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Itachi's genjutsu is possibly the best in the manga. His use of it is very versatile and very lethal if landed. However, contrary to popular belief, it is not impossible to completely counter genjutsu related techniques. Of course, the first thing would be to avoid eye contact. A simple task that Nagato could accomplish by using constant animal summons as a way to compensate for the reduction in his visual field. If the animals are subject to genjutsu, Nagato is not. After all, if shared senses hindered Nagato in any way, the frog song would have taken him out as well after his path's managed to hear it themselves. The sheer amount of summons makes it unlikely that Itachi can cut off every single form of vision Nagato manages to set up with out being spotted himself and attacked.

However, one has to address the issue of whether or not Nagato can manage to break himself free of genjutsu should it catch him in the first place. Our stance is clear. He can.
Recent revelations have shown that Rinnegan to be the most evolved form of the Sharingan. And while it is true that Nagato's rinnegan did not progress through each stage of the sharingan as Madara's had, I find this to be a moot point. The only difference between Madara's Rinnegan and Nagato's is the ability to switch between sharingan related techniques and rinnegan related ones. The basic genjutsu defense of the rinnegan should be equal or greater to that of the sharingan. His ability to break out of genjutsu is entirely possible, although the chances of him getting caught are reduced severely by his fighting style.

One most also note that Nagato himself is proficient at genjutsu use. He put mind seal barriers on ninja's so advanced it stumped Konoha's intterogattors. And said jutsu was not just used on one or two ninja. Nagato managed to place information blocking genjutsu on an entire village of ninja, without ever making face to face contact with any of them.

Nagato can counter Itachi s amaterasu

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This was a much easier topic to cover than Tsukiyomi. Before I begin I'd like to point out the fact that Nagato, in his confrontation with Naruto and Bee, managed to feel Amaterasu's pressure without even looking at Itachi's eyes. This works perfectly with the strategy of avoiding eye contact.
Of course, Amaterasu travels extremely fast. But the manga has already provided a counter to Amaterasu, which is shinrai tensei. He can also use his jutsu absorption ability to make sure the technique itself ceases to affect him. Amaterasu is much less a factor on Nagato and in the most likely case would simply be used to counter to large summons placed on the battlefield.

Chakra Absorption

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Sometimes I wonder if this technique was a backup plan for a failed Shinrai Tensei. Chakra absorption can absorb any form of ninjutsu that is physically harmful to Nagato should it not be repelled by Shinrai Tensei. This makes basically every non-genjutsu related technique in Itachi's arsenal completely useless. His reliance on his Mangekyou Sharingan becomes even more heavy. And with that his chakra usage becomes even more of a problem. Not only does it completely render physical ninjutsu useless, it also forces Itachi to bring out his big guns early.

Shinra Tensei

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Shinra Tensei isn't just for offensive purposes as most people realize. It's a very effective form of defense. Basically, Shinra Tensei has the ability to repel any tangible objects being thrown his way. It's possibly one of the most basic forms of defense in the manga. It's also one of the most effective.
Repel anything coming your way. The versatility of Shinra Tensei is something that shouldn't be taken lightly.

Nagato's Defense

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Nagato's body is frail and therefore needs several forms of defensive measures to protect himself. Of course, one of the ways is by shielding himself with summons. Said summons can also be used aggresively, distracting Itachi from Nagato, ultimately protecting himself. But he also has several techniques that can be used should he be caught out. The next couple of subheadings will deal with his defensive techniques, as well as his counters to some of Itachi's more annoying abilities.

Chibaku Tensei

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It may be a a slightly different opinion than many posters on this forum, but our team believes that Chibaku Tensei is not needed and it's usage would be absolute overkill. It will be elaborated on in the defensive section, but the abilities Nagato has are large counters to Itachi's Susano'o.
However, if necessary, Chibaku Tensei will be used to completely subdue Itachi. The force behind the technique is enough to completely crush Itachi should it gain enough mass, even with Susano'o activated. Recent chapters have shown that Madara was completely blown to pieces even with Susano'o activated, in the face of a large destructive meteor. And while Itachi does have his mirror, it's simply one sided. It's not a full coverage of Susano'o.

It is possible to argue that Itachi has counters to Shinrai Tensei, although I would respectfully disagree. However, he has absolutely 0 answers for this technique.

As for Itachi's ranged attacked, the room for speculation is too high. Unless Team Itachi manages to come up with a quantified analysis on how strong said technique is and how much it contributed to the destruction of the chibaku tensei he faced, the assumption that he would be crushed in the process is the most logical conclusion to draw in this situation.

Chibaku Tensei is an endgame technique which is not something you can simply shield yourself from or run away from. It's the most destructive technique in the manga, even more so than Madara's meteors.

Nagato's Mobility and his Summon's

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The summons Nagato possesses are his most valued asset in this fight. As stated in the manga, don't fight an Uchiha 1v1. This is not something Nagato has to worry about. Of course, he will attempt to avoid eye contact. His summons however, have the ability to compensate for his loss of eye contact through linked vision. And without being distracted in this scenario, the summons he places on the battlefield will all be focused on a single target, completely negating any speed advantages Itachi would ultimately have over Nagato.

The Cerebrus is subject to Amaterasu after Itachi figures out how to counter it. However, the only logical way would be Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi or Susano'o. All are Mangekyou Sharingan related, and all of which dispense a very large amount of chakra. Something Nagato has in abundance and spared little to summon Cerebrus in the first place.

So while Nagato's mobility is limited, his ability to compensate is completely viable. Should he choose to he can also manage to move himself around with invisibility via Chameleon or flying with a giant bird summon.

Nagato's Offense

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While defensive measure are important and will be taken by Nagato, it is very important to elaborate on his offensive capabilities. Even compared to Uchiha Madara, Nagato's abilities are the most destructive in the manga. Countering Itachi's techniques is a large role in winning this fight, but the ability to put Itachi down is the most important factor. Nagato's summons and his shinrai tensei's have enough variation to ultimately put Itachi down. The next couple of subheading's will be in regards to his many offensive fighting styles.

Chou Shinrai Tensei

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It's doubtful this technique would be used in the fight. However, if it is, it would have the same effects of shinrai tensei on a much larger scale. Again, if it's used, Itachi has absolutely 0 counters other than his last resort Susano'o technique. The technique functions in the same manner as Shinrai Tensei, just on a larger scale. Hence "chou" shinrai tensei.

Quick Conclusion

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Itachi's arsenal is impressive, but the amount of AOE abilities, as well as the amount of units on the battlefield severely limits his ability to commit to his fighting style. His chakra reserves would not be able to handle the amount of times he needs to resort to his Mangekyou Sharingan, and the counters he faces are too viable for him to properly address. His victory is dependent on his ability to spam large amounts of AOE jutsu, via Amaterasu and Susano'o in order to win the fight. Mainly because his genjutsu related techniques are completely countered in the face of more than one unit on the battlefield.

Itachi's victory is improbably due to one reason. All of his base techniques are completely countered in every sense. His base genjutsu's aren't enough to subdue Nagato, if they should even connect. The only abilities he has to affect Nagato are his mangekyou sharingan related techniques.
Basically, Nagato shut's down his only forms of offense, making him resort to defensive measures. Something he cannot sustain given the amount of destructive capability behind Nagato's abilities.