EMS Itachi Vs Healthy Nagato

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Read this my friend i hope you change you opinion.........

Nagato can counter his Tsukyiomi and genjutsu
Itachi's genjutsu is possibly the best in the manga. His use of it is very versatile and very lethal if landed. However, contrary to popular belief, it is not impossible to completely counter genjutsu related techniques. Of course, the first thing would be to avoid eye contact. A simple task that Nagato could accomplish by using constant animal summons as a way to compensate for the reduction in his visual field. If the animals are subject to genjutsu, Nagato is not. After all, if shared senses hindered Nagato in any way, the frog song would have taken him out as well after his path's managed to hear it themselves. The sheer amount of summons makes it unlikely that Itachi can cut off every single form of vision Nagato manages to set up with out being spotted himself and attacked.

However, one has to address the issue of whether or not Nagato can manage to break himself free of genjutsu should it catch him in the first place. Our stance is clear. He can.
Recent revelations have shown that Rinnegan to be the most evolved form of the Sharingan. And while it is true that Nagato's rinnegan did not progress through each stage of the sharingan as Madara's had, I find this to be a moot point. The only difference between Madara's Rinnegan and Nagato's is the ability to switch between sharingan related techniques and rinnegan related ones. The basic genjutsu defense of the rinnegan should be equal or greater to that of the sharingan. His ability to break out of genjutsu is entirely possible, although the chances of him getting caught are reduced severely by his fighting style.

One most also note that Nagato himself is proficient at genjutsu use. He put mind seal barriers on ninja's so advanced it stumped Konoha's intterogattors. And said jutsu was not just used on one or two ninja. Nagato managed to place information blocking genjutsu on an entire village of ninja, without ever making face to face contact with any of them.
Nagato can counter Itachi s amaterasu

This was a much easier topic to cover than Tsukiyomi. Before I begin I'd like to point out the fact that Nagato, in his confrontation with Naruto and Bee, managed to feel Amaterasu's pressure without even looking at Itachi's eyes. This works perfectly with the strategy of avoiding eye contact.
Of course, Amaterasu travels extremely fast. But the manga has already provided a counter to Amaterasu, which is shinrai tensei. He can also use his jutsu absorption ability to make sure the technique itself ceases to affect him. Amaterasu is much less a factor on Nagato and in the most likely case would simply be used to counter to large summons placed on the battlefield.
Chakra Absorption
Sometimes I wonder if this technique was a backup plan for a failed Shinrai Tensei. Chakra absorption can absorb any form of ninjutsu that is physically harmful to Nagato should it not be repelled by Shinrai Tensei. This makes basically every non-genjutsu related technique in Itachi's arsenal completely useless. His reliance on his Mangekyou Sharingan becomes even more heavy. And with that his chakra usage becomes even more of a problem. Not only does it completely render physical ninjutsu useless, it also forces Itachi to bring out his big guns early.
Shinra Tensei

Shinra Tensei isn't just for offensive purposes as most people realize. It's a very effective form of defense. Basically, Shinra Tensei has the ability to repel any tangible objects being thrown his way. It's possibly one of the most basic forms of defense in the manga. It's also one of the most effective.
Repel anything coming your way. The versatility of Shinra Tensei is something that shouldn't be taken lightly.
Nagato's Defense

Nagato's body is frail and therefore needs several forms of defensive measures to protect himself. Of course, one of the ways is by shielding himself with summons. Said summons can also be used aggresively, distracting Itachi from Nagato, ultimately protecting himself. But he also has several techniques that can be used should he be caught out. The next couple of subheadings will deal with his defensive techniques, as well as his counters to some of Itachi's more annoying abilities.
Chibaku Tensei
It may be a a slightly different opinion than many posters on this forum, but our team believes that Chibaku Tensei is not needed and it's usage would be absolute overkill. It will be elaborated on in the defensive section, but the abilities Nagato has are large counters to Itachi's Susano'o.
However, if necessary, Chibaku Tensei will be used to completely subdue Itachi. The force behind the technique is enough to completely crush Itachi should it gain enough mass, even with Susano'o activated. Recent chapters have shown that Madara was completely blown to pieces even with Susano'o activated, in the face of a large destructive meteor. And while Itachi does have his mirror, it's simply one sided. It's not a full coverage of Susano'o.

It is possible to argue that Itachi has counters to Shinrai Tensei, although I would respectfully disagree. However, he has absolutely 0 answers for this technique.

As for Itachi's ranged attacked, the room for speculation is too high. Unless Team Itachi manages to come up with a quantified analysis on how strong said technique is and how much it contributed to the destruction of the chibaku tensei he faced, the assumption that he would be crushed in the process is the most logical conclusion to draw in this situation.

Chibaku Tensei is an endgame technique which is not something you can simply shield yourself from or run away from. It's the most destructive technique in the manga, even more so than Madara's meteors.
Nagato's Mobility and his Summon's
The summons Nagato possesses are his most valued asset in this fight. As stated in the manga, don't fight an Uchiha 1v1. This is not something Nagato has to worry about. Of course, he will attempt to avoid eye contact. His summons however, have the ability to compensate for his loss of eye contact through linked vision. And without being distracted in this scenario, the summons he places on the battlefield will all be focused on a single target, completely negating any speed advantages Itachi would ultimately have over Nagato.

The Cerebrus is subject to Amaterasu after Itachi figures out how to counter it. However, the only logical way would be Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi or Susano'o. All are Mangekyou Sharingan related, and all of which dispense a very large amount of chakra. Something Nagato has in abundance and spared little to summon Cerebrus in the first place.

So while Nagato's mobility is limited, his ability to compensate is completely viable. Should he choose to he can also manage to move himself around with invisibility via Chameleon or flying with a giant bird summon.
Nagato's Offense

While defensive measure are important and will be taken by Nagato, it is very important to elaborate on his offensive capabilities. Even compared to Uchiha Madara, Nagato's abilities are the most destructive in the manga. Countering Itachi's techniques is a large role in winning this fight, but the ability to put Itachi down is the most important factor. Nagato's summons and his shinrai tensei's have enough variation to ultimately put Itachi down. The next couple of subheading's will be in regards to his many offensive fighting styles.
Chou Shinrai Tensei
It's doubtful this technique would be used in the fight. However, if it is, it would have the same effects of shinrai tensei on a much larger scale. Again, if it's used, Itachi has absolutely 0 counters other than his last resort Susano'o technique. The technique functions in the same manner as Shinrai Tensei, just on a larger scale. Hence "chou" shinrai tensei.
Quick Conclusion
Itachi's arsenal is impressive, but the amount of AOE abilities, as well as the amount of units on the battlefield severely limits his ability to commit to his fighting style. His chakra reserves would not be able to handle the amount of times he needs to resort to his Mangekyou Sharingan, and the counters he faces are too viable for him to properly address. His victory is dependent on his ability to spam large amounts of AOE jutsu, via Amaterasu and Susano'o in order to win the fight. Mainly because his genjutsu related techniques are completely countered in the face of more than one unit on the battlefield.

Itachi's victory is improbably due to one reason. All of his base techniques are completely countered in every sense. His base genjutsu's aren't enough to subdue Nagato, if they should even connect. The only abilities he has to affect Nagato are his mangekyou sharingan related techniques.
Basically, Nagato shut's down his only forms of offense, making him resort to defensive measures. Something he cannot sustain given the amount of destructive capability behind Nagato's abilities.

And this , my friend , is the reason why I gave EMS ans Perfect Susano'o to Itachi : Nagato is a beast and Healthy Nagato is overkill. Truly interesting .
 

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how come when he faced jiraiya it was so hard to obliterate him

I guess the Author didn't want to disrespect Jiraiya fans because a Chibaku tensei would decimate Jiraiya ass . Plus Nagato was weak so we can speculate he didn't want to waste chakra as his interactions with Konan stated .
 

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And this , my friend , is the reason why I gave EMS ans Perfect Susano'o to Itachi : Nagato is a beast and Healthy Nagato is overkill. Truly interesting .
same thing can be said from itachi side

Itachi can counter his summoning. With amaterasu

He can tsukyomi nagato

Nagato shinra tensei can repel amaterasu but it has a 5 sec interval itachi can spam it

The big planetary devastation can be destroyed itachi found out its weaknesses ya but people would say it needed 3 attacks that's because it was 3v1 we don't know if itachi can or not destroy it by himself

Last but not least itachi susano and it's spirit items can defend against his attacks
And itachi is more smarter then nagato the tsukyomi can give itachi an advantage sure nagato has renniegan but itachi said someone with an Uchiha blood can escape from his genjustu and we see no evidence in the manga that's nagato can defend against genjustu plus doesn't itachi have shisui eye thanks

I would say 50/50

I'm not a fan boy of either
 
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same thing can be said from itachi side

Itachi can counter his summoning. With amaterasu

He can tsukyomi nagato

Nagato shinra tensei can repel amaterasu but it has a 5 sec interval itachi can spam it

The big planetary devastation can be destroyed itachi found out its weaknesses ya but people would say it needed 3 attacks that's because it was 3v1 we don't know if itachi can or not destroy it by himself

Last but not least itachi susano and it's spirit items can defend against his attacks
And itachi is more smarter then nagato the tsukyomi can give itachi an advantage sure nagato has renniegan but itachi said someone with an Uchiha blood can escape from his genjustu and we see no evidence in the manga that's nagato can defend against genjustu plus doesn't itachi have shisui eye thanks

I would say 50/50

I'm not a fan boy of either

Let's say Itachi begins the fight with PS and Magato summon Gedo Mazo. (Full body, no rods)

It's up to you to be able to imagine the power of Healthy Nagato mate . Honestly I like both characters because the Author hasn't shown the full potential of both so they are potentially underrated : Healthy Itachi is a monster and Healthy Nagato is a God.

A GOD dude . First of all EDO Nagato , which means he's not at his best , kept up with KCM Naruto Killer bee and Edo Itachi at the same time. I guess I don't teach you anything new, but do you even realise what does that mean . He showed some damn power , speed and reflexes feats , while he was controlled by Kabuto , we can even speculate that If Nagato had the control over himself he could even have been better.

My main point is the full body of the Gedo Mazo and dude , dude , A healthy Nagato's Chibaku Tensei . It's up to you to mesure the destruction power this character has , but trust me IMO I think Nagato takes this fight . Even with his spirituals weapons Itachi will be overwhelmed , An immense Chibaku tensei formating which is attracting Susano'o ( trying to deal with it ) in that time , plus Gedo Mazo Chakra BLAST or some damn soul ripping dragons incoming at the same time , with some animals summons toppings . Please tell me Itachi takes this mid diff. Plus, the guy above answered almost all you just mentioned ..
 
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Read this my friend i hope you change you opinion.........

Nagato can counter his Tsukyiomi and genjutsu
Itachi's genjutsu is possibly the best in the manga. His use of it is very versatile and very lethal if landed. However, contrary to popular belief, it is not impossible to completely counter genjutsu related techniques. Of course, the first thing would be to avoid eye contact. A simple task that Nagato could accomplish by using constant animal summons as a way to compensate for the reduction in his visual field. If the animals are subject to genjutsu, Nagato is not. After all, if shared senses hindered Nagato in any way, the frog song would have taken him out as well after his path's managed to hear it themselves. The sheer amount of summons makes it unlikely that Itachi can cut off every single form of vision Nagato manages to set up with out being spotted himself and attacked.

However, one has to address the issue of whether or not Nagato can manage to break himself free of genjutsu should it catch him in the first place. Our stance is clear. He can.
Recent revelations have shown that Rinnegan to be the most evolved form of the Sharingan. And while it is true that Nagato's rinnegan did not progress through each stage of the sharingan as Madara's had, I find this to be a moot point. The only difference between Madara's Rinnegan and Nagato's is the ability to switch between sharingan related techniques and rinnegan related ones. The basic genjutsu defense of the rinnegan should be equal or greater to that of the sharingan. His ability to break out of genjutsu is entirely possible, although the chances of him getting caught are reduced severely by his fighting style.

One most also note that Nagato himself is proficient at genjutsu use. He put mind seal barriers on ninja's so advanced it stumped Konoha's intterogattors. And said jutsu was not just used on one or two ninja. Nagato managed to place information blocking genjutsu on an entire village of ninja, without ever making face to face contact with any of them.
Nagato can counter Itachi s amaterasu

This was a much easier topic to cover than Tsukiyomi. Before I begin I'd like to point out the fact that Nagato, in his confrontation with Naruto and Bee, managed to feel Amaterasu's pressure without even looking at Itachi's eyes. This works perfectly with the strategy of avoiding eye contact.
Of course, Amaterasu travels extremely fast. But the manga has already provided a counter to Amaterasu, which is shinrai tensei. He can also use his jutsu absorption ability to make sure the technique itself ceases to affect him. Amaterasu is much less a factor on Nagato and in the most likely case would simply be used to counter to large summons placed on the battlefield.
Chakra Absorption
Sometimes I wonder if this technique was a backup plan for a failed Shinrai Tensei. Chakra absorption can absorb any form of ninjutsu that is physically harmful to Nagato should it not be repelled by Shinrai Tensei. This makes basically every non-genjutsu related technique in Itachi's arsenal completely useless. His reliance on his Mangekyou Sharingan becomes even more heavy. And with that his chakra usage becomes even more of a problem. Not only does it completely render physical ninjutsu useless, it also forces Itachi to bring out his big guns early.
Shinra Tensei

Shinra Tensei isn't just for offensive purposes as most people realize. It's a very effective form of defense. Basically, Shinra Tensei has the ability to repel any tangible objects being thrown his way. It's possibly one of the most basic forms of defense in the manga. It's also one of the most effective.
Repel anything coming your way. The versatility of Shinra Tensei is something that shouldn't be taken lightly.
Nagato's Defense

Nagato's body is frail and therefore needs several forms of defensive measures to protect himself. Of course, one of the ways is by shielding himself with summons. Said summons can also be used aggresively, distracting Itachi from Nagato, ultimately protecting himself. But he also has several techniques that can be used should he be caught out. The next couple of subheadings will deal with his defensive techniques, as well as his counters to some of Itachi's more annoying abilities.
Chibaku Tensei
It may be a a slightly different opinion than many posters on this forum, but our team believes that Chibaku Tensei is not needed and it's usage would be absolute overkill. It will be elaborated on in the defensive section, but the abilities Nagato has are large counters to Itachi's Susano'o.
However, if necessary, Chibaku Tensei will be used to completely subdue Itachi. The force behind the technique is enough to completely crush Itachi should it gain enough mass, even with Susano'o activated. Recent chapters have shown that Madara was completely blown to pieces even with Susano'o activated, in the face of a large destructive meteor. And while Itachi does have his mirror, it's simply one sided. It's not a full coverage of Susano'o.

It is possible to argue that Itachi has counters to Shinrai Tensei, although I would respectfully disagree. However, he has absolutely 0 answers for this technique.

As for Itachi's ranged attacked, the room for speculation is too high. Unless Team Itachi manages to come up with a quantified analysis on how strong said technique is and how much it contributed to the destruction of the chibaku tensei he faced, the assumption that he would be crushed in the process is the most logical conclusion to draw in this situation.

Chibaku Tensei is an endgame technique which is not something you can simply shield yourself from or run away from. It's the most destructive technique in the manga, even more so than Madara's meteors.
Nagato's Mobility and his Summon's
The summons Nagato possesses are his most valued asset in this fight. As stated in the manga, don't fight an Uchiha 1v1. This is not something Nagato has to worry about. Of course, he will attempt to avoid eye contact. His summons however, have the ability to compensate for his loss of eye contact through linked vision. And without being distracted in this scenario, the summons he places on the battlefield will all be focused on a single target, completely negating any speed advantages Itachi would ultimately have over Nagato.

The Cerebrus is subject to Amaterasu after Itachi figures out how to counter it. However, the only logical way would be Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi or Susano'o. All are Mangekyou Sharingan related, and all of which dispense a very large amount of chakra. Something Nagato has in abundance and spared little to summon Cerebrus in the first place.

So while Nagato's mobility is limited, his ability to compensate is completely viable. Should he choose to he can also manage to move himself around with invisibility via Chameleon or flying with a giant bird summon.
Nagato's Offense

While defensive measure are important and will be taken by Nagato, it is very important to elaborate on his offensive capabilities. Even compared to Uchiha Madara, Nagato's abilities are the most destructive in the manga. Countering Itachi's techniques is a large role in winning this fight, but the ability to put Itachi down is the most important factor. Nagato's summons and his shinrai tensei's have enough variation to ultimately put Itachi down. The next couple of subheading's will be in regards to his many offensive fighting styles.
Chou Shinrai Tensei
It's doubtful this technique would be used in the fight. However, if it is, it would have the same effects of shinrai tensei on a much larger scale. Again, if it's used, Itachi has absolutely 0 counters other than his last resort Susano'o technique. The technique functions in the same manner as Shinrai Tensei, just on a larger scale. Hence "chou" shinrai tensei.
Quick Conclusion
Itachi's arsenal is impressive, but the amount of AOE abilities, as well as the amount of units on the battlefield severely limits his ability to commit to his fighting style. His chakra reserves would not be able to handle the amount of times he needs to resort to his Mangekyou Sharingan, and the counters he faces are too viable for him to properly address. His victory is dependent on his ability to spam large amounts of AOE jutsu, via Amaterasu and Susano'o in order to win the fight. Mainly because his genjutsu related techniques are completely countered in the face of more than one unit on the battlefield.

Itachi's victory is improbably due to one reason. All of his base techniques are completely countered in every sense. His base genjutsu's aren't enough to subdue Nagato, if they should even connect. The only abilities he has to affect Nagato are his mangekyou sharingan related techniques.
Basically, Nagato shut's down his only forms of offense, making him resort to defensive measures. Something he cannot sustain given the amount of destructive capability behind Nagato's abilities.

The 1st point is stupid itachi take care of his summoning with amaterasu and how can you fight itachi without looking in his eyes that's silly and nagato can't do genjustu he's bad at it

Itachi can just spam amaterasu shinra tensei has five sec interval and this is healthy Itachi without illness with ems

3rd point is useless the summoning can't beat Itachi he will just amaterasu it in 1 sec like in the war
Th 5th point is nothing that big technique destroyed konoha and killed no one and Itachi susano can defend that's and it does not beat madras tec that's ridiculous

All your saying from poi the 1 to 7 is about nagatos summoning and not to look into itachi eyes your not saying anything else that nagato can do you can't fight itachi by not looking into his eyes you will die and again itachi uses amatersu on his summons
Itachi is better at close combat then nagato and better at kunai and he is faster smarter your just spamming nonsense
 
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Nagato can counter his Tsukyiomi and genjutsu
Itachi's genjutsu is possibly the best in the manga. His use of it is very versatile and very lethal if landed. However, contrary to popular belief, it is not impossible to completely counter genjutsu related techniques. Of course, the first thing would be to avoid eye contact. A simple task that Nagato could accomplish by using constant animal summons as a way to compensate for the reduction in his visual field. If the animals are subject to genjutsu, Nagato is not. After all, if shared senses hindered Nagato in any way, the frog song would have taken him out as well after his path's managed to hear it themselves. The sheer amount of summons makes it unlikely that Itachi can cut off every single form of vision Nagato manages to set up with out being spotted himself and attacked.

However, one has to address the issue of whether or not Nagato can manage to break himself free of genjutsu should it catch him in the first place. Our stance is clear. He can.
Recent revelations have shown that Rinnegan to be the most evolved form of the Sharingan. And while it is true that Nagato's rinnegan did not progress through each stage of the sharingan as Madara's had, I find this to be a moot point. The only difference between Madara's Rinnegan and Nagato's is the ability to switch between sharingan related techniques and rinnegan related ones. The basic genjutsu defense of the rinnegan should be equal or greater to that of the sharingan. His ability to break out of genjutsu is entirely possible, although the chances of him getting caught are reduced severely by his fighting style.

One most also note that Nagato himself is proficient at genjutsu use. He put mind seal barriers on ninja's so advanced it stumped Konoha's intterogattors. And said jutsu was not just used on one or two ninja. Nagato managed to place information blocking genjutsu on an entire village of ninja, without ever making face to face contact with any of them.
Nagato can counter Itachi s amaterasu

This was a much easier topic to cover than Tsukiyomi. Before I begin I'd like to point out the fact that Nagato, in his confrontation with Naruto and Bee, managed to feel Amaterasu's pressure without even looking at Itachi's eyes. This works perfectly with the strategy of avoiding eye contact.
Of course, Amaterasu travels extremely fast. But the manga has already provided a counter to Amaterasu, which is shinrai tensei. He can also use his jutsu absorption ability to make sure the technique itself ceases to affect him. Amaterasu is much less a factor on Nagato and in the most likely case would simply be used to counter to large summons placed on the battlefield.
Chakra Absorption
Sometimes I wonder if this technique was a backup plan for a failed Shinrai Tensei. Chakra absorption can absorb any form of ninjutsu that is physically harmful to Nagato should it not be repelled by Shinrai Tensei. This makes basically every non-genjutsu related technique in Itachi's arsenal completely useless. His reliance on his Mangekyou Sharingan becomes even more heavy. And with that his chakra usage becomes even more of a problem. Not only does it completely render physical ninjutsu useless, it also forces Itachi to bring out his big guns early.
Shinra Tensei

Shinra Tensei isn't just for offensive purposes as most people realize. It's a very effective form of defense. Basically, Shinra Tensei has the ability to repel any tangible objects being thrown his way. It's possibly one of the most basic forms of defense in the manga. It's also one of the most effective.
Repel anything coming your way. The versatility of Shinra Tensei is something that shouldn't be taken lightly.
Nagato's Defense

Nagato's body is frail and therefore needs several forms of defensive measures to protect himself. Of course, one of the ways is by shielding himself with summons. Said summons can also be used aggresively, distracting Itachi from Nagato, ultimately protecting himself. But he also has several techniques that can be used should he be caught out. The next couple of subheadings will deal with his defensive techniques, as well as his counters to some of Itachi's more annoying abilities.
Chibaku Tensei
It may be a a slightly different opinion than many posters on this forum, but our team believes that Chibaku Tensei is not needed and it's usage would be absolute overkill. It will be elaborated on in the defensive section, but the abilities Nagato has are large counters to Itachi's Susano'o.
However, if necessary, Chibaku Tensei will be used to completely subdue Itachi. The force behind the technique is enough to completely crush Itachi should it gain enough mass, even with Susano'o activated. Recent chapters have shown that Madara was completely blown to pieces even with Susano'o activated, in the face of a large destructive meteor. And while Itachi does have his mirror, it's simply one sided. It's not a full coverage of Susano'o.

It is possible to argue that Itachi has counters to Shinrai Tensei, although I would respectfully disagree. However, he has absolutely 0 answers for this technique.

As for Itachi's ranged attacked, the room for speculation is too high. Unless Team Itachi manages to come up with a quantified analysis on how strong said technique is and how much it contributed to the destruction of the chibaku tensei he faced, the assumption that he would be crushed in the process is the most logical conclusion to draw in this situation.

Chibaku Tensei is an endgame technique which is not something you can simply shield yourself from or run away from. It's the most destructive technique in the manga, even more so than Madara's meteors.
Nagato's Mobility and his Summon's
The summons Nagato possesses are his most valued asset in this fight. As stated in the manga, don't fight an Uchiha 1v1. This is not something Nagato has to worry about. Of course, he will attempt to avoid eye contact. His summons however, have the ability to compensate for his loss of eye contact through linked vision. And without being distracted in this scenario, the summons he places on the battlefield will all be focused on a single target, completely negating any speed advantages Itachi would ultimately have over Nagato.

The Cerebrus is subject to Amaterasu after Itachi figures out how to counter it. However, the only logical way would be Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi or Susano'o. All are Mangekyou Sharingan related, and all of which dispense a very large amount of chakra. Something Nagato has in abundance and spared little to summon Cerebrus in the first place.

So while Nagato's mobility is limited, his ability to compensate is completely viable. Should he choose to he can also manage to move himself around with invisibility via Chameleon or flying with a giant bird summon.
Nagato's Offense

While defensive measure are important and will be taken by Nagato, it is very important to elaborate on his offensive capabilities. Even compared to Uchiha Madara, Nagato's abilities are the most destructive in the manga. Countering Itachi's techniques is a large role in winning this fight, but the ability to put Itachi down is the most important factor. Nagato's summons and his shinrai tensei's have enough variation to ultimately put Itachi down. The next couple of subheading's will be in regards to his many offensive fighting styles.
Chou Shinrai Tensei
It's doubtful this technique would be used in the fight. However, if it is, it would have the same effects of shinrai tensei on a much larger scale. Again, if it's used, Itachi has absolutely 0 counters other than his last resort Susano'o technique. The technique functions in the same manner as Shinrai Tensei, just on a larger scale. Hence "chou" shinrai tensei.
Quick Conclusion
Itachi's arsenal is impressive, but the amount of AOE abilities, as well as the amount of units on the battlefield severely limits his ability to commit to his fighting style. His chakra reserves would not be able to handle the amount of times he needs to resort to his Mangekyou Sharingan, and the counters he faces are too viable for him to properly address. His victory is dependent on his ability to spam large amounts of AOE jutsu, via Amaterasu and Susano'o in order to win the fight. Mainly because his genjutsu related techniques are completely countered in the face of more than one unit on the battlefield.

Itachi's victory is improbably due to one reason. All of his base techniques are completely countered in every sense. His base genjutsu's aren't enough to subdue Nagato, if they should even connect. The only abilities he has to affect Nagato are his mangekyou sharingan related techniques.
Basically, Nagato shut's down his only forms of offense, making him resort to defensive measures. Something he cannot sustain given the amount of destructive capability behind Nagato's abilities.

Ok, all this was unnecessary. Itachi wins, get over it.
 

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Nagato can counter his Tsukyiomi and genjutsu
Itachi's genjutsu is possibly the best in the manga. His use of it is very versatile and very lethal if landed. However, contrary to popular belief, it is not impossible to completely counter genjutsu related techniques. Of course, the first thing would be to avoid eye contact. A simple task that Nagato could accomplish by using constant animal summons as a way to compensate for the reduction in his visual field. If the animals are subject to genjutsu, Nagato is not. After all, if shared senses hindered Nagato in any way, the frog song would have taken him out as well after his path's managed to hear it themselves. The sheer amount of summons makes it unlikely that Itachi can cut off every single form of vision Nagato manages to set up with out being spotted himself and attacked.

However, one has to address the issue of whether or not Nagato can manage to break himself free of genjutsu should it catch him in the first place. Our stance is clear. He can.
Recent revelations have shown that Rinnegan to be the most evolved form of the Sharingan. And while it is true that Nagato's rinnegan did not progress through each stage of the sharingan as Madara's had, I find this to be a moot point. The only difference between Madara's Rinnegan and Nagato's is the ability to switch between sharingan related techniques and rinnegan related ones. The basic genjutsu defense of the rinnegan should be equal or greater to that of the sharingan. His ability to break out of genjutsu is entirely possible, although the chances of him getting caught are reduced severely by his fighting style.

One most also note that Nagato himself is proficient at genjutsu use. He put mind seal barriers on ninja's so advanced it stumped Konoha's intterogattors. And said jutsu was not just used on one or two ninja. Nagato managed to place information blocking genjutsu on an entire village of ninja, without ever making face to face contact with any of them.
Nagato can counter Itachi s amaterasu

This was a much easier topic to cover than Tsukiyomi. Before I begin I'd like to point out the fact that Nagato, in his confrontation with Naruto and Bee, managed to feel Amaterasu's pressure without even looking at Itachi's eyes. This works perfectly with the strategy of avoiding eye contact.
Of course, Amaterasu travels extremely fast. But the manga has already provided a counter to Amaterasu, which is shinrai tensei. He can also use his jutsu absorption ability to make sure the technique itself ceases to affect him. Amaterasu is much less a factor on Nagato and in the most likely case would simply be used to counter to large summons placed on the battlefield.
Chakra Absorption
Sometimes I wonder if this technique was a backup plan for a failed Shinrai Tensei. Chakra absorption can absorb any form of ninjutsu that is physically harmful to Nagato should it not be repelled by Shinrai Tensei. This makes basically every non-genjutsu related technique in Itachi's arsenal completely useless. His reliance on his Mangekyou Sharingan becomes even more heavy. And with that his chakra usage becomes even more of a problem. Not only does it completely render physical ninjutsu useless, it also forces Itachi to bring out his big guns early.
Shinra Tensei

Shinra Tensei isn't just for offensive purposes as most people realize. It's a very effective form of defense. Basically, Shinra Tensei has the ability to repel any tangible objects being thrown his way. It's possibly one of the most basic forms of defense in the manga. It's also one of the most effective.
Repel anything coming your way. The versatility of Shinra Tensei is something that shouldn't be taken lightly.
Nagato's Defense

Nagato's body is frail and therefore needs several forms of defensive measures to protect himself. Of course, one of the ways is by shielding himself with summons. Said summons can also be used aggresively, distracting Itachi from Nagato, ultimately protecting himself. But he also has several techniques that can be used should he be caught out. The next couple of subheadings will deal with his defensive techniques, as well as his counters to some of Itachi's more annoying abilities.
Chibaku Tensei
It may be a a slightly different opinion than many posters on this forum, but our team believes that Chibaku Tensei is not needed and it's usage would be absolute overkill. It will be elaborated on in the defensive section, but the abilities Nagato has are large counters to Itachi's Susano'o.
However, if necessary, Chibaku Tensei will be used to completely subdue Itachi. The force behind the technique is enough to completely crush Itachi should it gain enough mass, even with Susano'o activated. Recent chapters have shown that Madara was completely blown to pieces even with Susano'o activated, in the face of a large destructive meteor. And while Itachi does have his mirror, it's simply one sided. It's not a full coverage of Susano'o.

It is possible to argue that Itachi has counters to Shinrai Tensei, although I would respectfully disagree. However, he has absolutely 0 answers for this technique.

As for Itachi's ranged attacked, the room for speculation is too high. Unless Team Itachi manages to come up with a quantified analysis on how strong said technique is and how much it contributed to the destruction of the chibaku tensei he faced, the assumption that he would be crushed in the process is the most logical conclusion to draw in this situation.

Chibaku Tensei is an endgame technique which is not something you can simply shield yourself from or run away from. It's the most destructive technique in the manga, even more so than Madara's meteors.
Nagato's Mobility and his Summon's
The summons Nagato possesses are his most valued asset in this fight. As stated in the manga, don't fight an Uchiha 1v1. This is not something Nagato has to worry about. Of course, he will attempt to avoid eye contact. His summons however, have the ability to compensate for his loss of eye contact through linked vision. And without being distracted in this scenario, the summons he places on the battlefield will all be focused on a single target, completely negating any speed advantages Itachi would ultimately have over Nagato.

The Cerebrus is subject to Amaterasu after Itachi figures out how to counter it. However, the only logical way would be Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi or Susano'o. All are Mangekyou Sharingan related, and all of which dispense a very large amount of chakra. Something Nagato has in abundance and spared little to summon Cerebrus in the first place.

So while Nagato's mobility is limited, his ability to compensate is completely viable. Should he choose to he can also manage to move himself around with invisibility via Chameleon or flying with a giant bird summon.
Nagato's Offense

While defensive measure are important and will be taken by Nagato, it is very important to elaborate on his offensive capabilities. Even compared to Uchiha Madara, Nagato's abilities are the most destructive in the manga. Countering Itachi's techniques is a large role in winning this fight, but the ability to put Itachi down is the most important factor. Nagato's summons and his shinrai tensei's have enough variation to ultimately put Itachi down. The next couple of subheading's will be in regards to his many offensive fighting styles.
Chou Shinrai Tensei
It's doubtful this technique would be used in the fight. However, if it is, it would have the same effects of shinrai tensei on a much larger scale. Again, if it's used, Itachi has absolutely 0 counters other than his last resort Susano'o technique. The technique functions in the same manner as Shinrai Tensei, just on a larger scale. Hence "chou" shinrai tensei.
Quick Conclusion
Itachi's arsenal is impressive, but the amount of AOE abilities, as well as the amount of units on the battlefield severely limits his ability to commit to his fighting style. His chakra reserves would not be able to handle the amount of times he needs to resort to his Mangekyou Sharingan, and the counters he faces are too viable for him to properly address. His victory is dependent on his ability to spam large amounts of AOE jutsu, via Amaterasu and Susano'o in order to win the fight. Mainly because his genjutsu related techniques are completely countered in the face of more than one unit on the battlefield.

Itachi's victory is improbably due to one reason. All of his base techniques are completely countered in every sense. His base genjutsu's aren't enough to subdue Nagato, if they should even connect. The only abilities he has to affect Nagato are his mangekyou sharingan related techniques.
Basically, Nagato shut's down his only forms of offense, making him resort to defensive measures. Something he cannot sustain given the amount of destructive capability behind Nagato's abilities.

Lol, such effort, only to hear that PS shits on your whole argument.

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Let's say Itachi begins the fight with PS and Magato summon Gedo Mazo. (Full body, no rods)

It's up to you to be able to imagine the power of Healthy Nagato mate . Honestly I like both characters because the Author hasn't shown the full potential of both so they are potentially underrated : Healthy Itachi is a monster and Healthy Nagato is a God.

A GOD dude . First of all EDO Nagato , which means he's not at his best , kept up with KCM Naruto Killer bee and Edo Itachi at the same time. I guess I don't teach you anything new, but do you even realise what does that mean . He showed some damn power , speed and reflexes feats , while he was controlled by Kabuto , we can even speculate that If Nagato had the control over himself he could even have been better.

My main point is the full body of the Gedo Mazo and dude , dude , A healthy Nagato's Chibaku Tensei . It's up to you to mesure the destruction power this character has , but trust me IMO I think Nagato takes this fight . Even with his spirituals weapons Itachi will be overwhelmed , An immense Chibaku tensei formating which is attracting Susano'o ( trying to deal with it ) in that time , plus Gedo Mazo Chakra BLAST or some damn soul ripping dragons incoming at the same time , with some animals summons toppings . Please tell me Itachi takes this mid diff. Plus, the guy above answered almost all you just mentioned ..
Same bra I like both but your wrong nagato did keep up with naruto killer bee and itachi infact he did do anything with itachi itachi is the one that's kept up with kyuubi naruto and killer bee nagato just summoned and ya he kept up with bee and nagato not itachi also nagato got amaterasu and totska blade also same thing can be said itachi probly the
Writer wanted to tell us that itachi is better then nagato
 

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The 1st point is stupid itachi take care of his summoning with amaterasu and how can you fight itachi without looking in his eyes that's silly and nagato can't do genjustu he's bad at it

Itachi can just spam amaterasu shinra tensei has five sec interval and this is healthy Itachi without illness with ems

3rd point is useless the summoning can't beat Itachi he will just amaterasu it in 1 sec like in the war
Th 5th point is nothing that big technique destroyed konoha and killed no one and Itachi susano can defend that's and it does not beat madras tec that's ridiculous

All your saying from poi the 1 to 7 is about nagatos summoning and not to look into itachi eyes your not saying anything else that nagato can do you can't fight itachi by not looking into his eyes you will die and again itachi uses amatersu on his summons
Itachi is better at close combat then nagato and better at kunai and he is faster smarter your just spamming nonsense
Cmon man Nagato shits on Itachi......
Ok, all this was unnecessary. Itachi wins, get over it.

I think was neccessary because i proved that Nagato shits on Itachi



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Cmon man Nagato shits on Itachi......


I think was neccessary because i proved that Nagato shits on Itachi




You are funny
no he doesn't in a fight between these 2 it can go either way
 
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