[Discussion] The 5 Panels that Ruined the Naruto Manga Franchise

narutoblitz

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Let me preface this all by saying that I know this post will get down-voted, reported, trolled and turn into a ridiculous flame war. That is not my intention. I genuinely believe the quality of the manga has decreased severely due to ass-pulls on plot and Kishimoto's personal depression.

My heart goes out to the author, who recently lost his father and is consoling his grieving mother. That said, I think we as fans have been betrayed. The manga should have frankly went on a hiatus until Kishimoto got his personal life back on track.

Without further ado, the 5 panels that ruined the Naruto manga franchise.

Sasuke changed due to Hashirama history lesson: Plot hacks
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Expection:

For hundreds of chapters we were led to believe Sasuke would fight Naruto. Naruto himself said he had to "change Sasuke" before becoming Hokage. Even Itachi said he left Sasuke to Naruto.

Reality:

Sasuke vs. Naruto will likely never happen. Sasuke inexplicably wants to become Hokage, and changes his mind after Hashirama's history lesson (if anything, he should hate the village more for ostracizing his clan and wrecking his family's life for bigotry). Sauce and Naruto are just pawns of a transmigration scheme ran by some interdimensional being with mommy issues. Awesome.

It's Obito...?
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Expectation:

Tobi was obviously going to be an Uchiha. Some speculated Izuna or a figure from history. Others thought it was Obito all along. I'll admit, I didn't think it was Obito. It didn't really make sense. After the backstory I'll admit that it sort of fits. But Obito did a complete about-face on his personality.

Reality:

It was Obito. And his reasons weren't good. Even Kakashi wanted him dead in the end, because Obito was a "complete failure". Verdict? Kishimoto wrecked his character and Sasuke's character in 30 short chapters.

Because you let Rin Die: Butthurt caused the war?
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Expectation:

Surely Obito had a good reason for betraying the village and starting a war, murdering hundreds.

Reality:

Nope, it's just because Rin died. Obito gets friend zone'd and decides to try and murder his friends and slaughter his hometown because one girl died a tragic death. So give up on reality and try and slaughter everyone. Awesomely bad writing on this one.

Aizen-level villain of 300 chapters: Madara gets 1-shot'd
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Expectation:

Madara fought the "God of Shinobi" and nearly won. He plotted his own resurrection, sealed all 9 Juubi, used Obito like a cheap condom, nearly killed Sasuke and Naruto (before they got ridiculous Jesus powers) and fought an entire war on his own while mostly blind. Defying death, summoning meteors and basically just being a total boss.

We expected Madara to have a big fight and to ultimately either be defeated by his own power or by the power of love and friendship.

Reality:

A long dead Godhead used Madara and set up his whole life because he has dead mommy issues. And we're supposed to care? Riiiight. Sorry, not buying it Kishi. This is an epic arse pull just because he made Madara too OP. Madara as final villain would have been better than allowing Kaguya and freaking black zetsu to take over.

Madara was a pawn, Black Zetsu has Mommy Issues
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Expectation:

Ok Madara's apparently dead. Surely Kaguya has more going on here than just being some big evil interdimensional godhead, right? Madara will make a comeback, right? Infinite Tsukuyomi clearly had some greater purpose than we can all understand? Maybe, just maybe this all made sense somehow?

Reality:

No dice. The events of the manga were conspired by black zetsu, to bring his mother back. He changed the tablet and used everyone because he has mommy issues. I'm sorry, but what the freaking heck is that man. This is just... god awful writing.

Verdict

This may sound harsh, but I'm giving it another few chapters. Right now this manga is just a trainwreck. I can't believe that the reviewers are still defending this piss poor writing.
 

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This is probably the worst thread that I never read.
Stopped reading at "Kishimoto's personal depression".
 

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I think the manga is fine, if you are unhappy with it, why don't you just drop it?
 

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It's great writing; it's not our fault your scope of understanding is limited to bog-standard, simple ideas.

Don't like it? Don't read it. No one is going to miss your flawed logic anyway.
 

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So many butthurt people here.Lol
 

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The thing that really messed up the story was the introduction of Hagoromo. We all wanted to see him, but once we did the story just took a completely different turn with this Indra, Asura, Kaguya stuff.
 

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lol. someone doesnt understand character stories. obito was ****ing with kakashi about rin, his reasons were the shinobi trash system.
bz isnt kaguyas literal son. hes her will to be revived.
i would have liked madara to fight longer, theres little action tbh..
sasuke has been hinting at wanting to erase the past aka bijuus. with kaguyas new info he might take it furtner.
 

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You only made one valid point and that was the Gaybito reveal. Obviously, when we found out Tobi was him, we could already feel the Rin bullshit so that point is invalid as well. All the other ones are plain wrong. How was Sasuke hearing how/why things happened to his clan bullshit? He listened to one of the strongest/wisest Hokages who gave him a straightforward answer and made his decision. Plus, it's not like he's "good" now or anything. Also, Madara dying to BZ is just you being a butt hurt fanboy. Deal with him getting fat and blowing the **** up. He's dead and gone. Thank goodness for Kaguya.
 

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The thing that really messed up the story was the introduction of Hagoromo. We all wanted to see him, but once we did the story just took a completely different turn with this Indra, Asura, Kaguya stuff.

I certainly agree that was the icing on the cake. I'm really not sure why we're suddenly supposed to care about a godhead and his family issues. It just seems... out of place in a manga about ninja. "I made up the story about Shinobi" almost seems like Kishimoto putting his own family issues into the manga.

I hate to sound unsympathetic here, but this manga really should have gone on a hiatus.
 

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It's great writing; it's not our fault your scope of understanding is limited to bog-standard, simple ideas.

Don't like it? Don't read it. No one is going to miss your flawed logic anyway.

This U_U x100000000000000
 

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I can see the people who missed the point of your thread entirely are already here.

I understand what you are saying and it makes sense, but truth be told I enjoyed the differences from what was "expected" to happen. I wasn't in love the idea of Naruto vs Sasuke fighting because it would mean both of their deaths... and sasuke didn't change because of Hashi's story, he changed because of everything Itachi said to him, he was conflicted as to why his brother would do that for the village and after hearing the history of it, he decided Itachi was right.
I also thought Madara getting one-shotted was a great plot twist, I didn't see it coming and frankly I've hated madara since we first learn his history. you wanna talk about issues, this loser was full of them... Obito crying over Rin is nothing on madara's baby ass reaction to everything.
 

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Because you let Rin Die: Butthurt caused the war?
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Expectation:

Surely Obito had a good reason for betraying the village and starting a war, murdering hundreds.

Reality:

Nope, it's just because Rin died. Obito gets friend zone'd and decides to try and murder his friends and slaughter his hometown because one girl died a tragic death. So give up on reality and try and slaughter everyone. Awesomely bad writing on this one.
You don't understand shit lel
 

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I honestly can't believe I read this entire thing.

Using Kishi's personal depression with his father passing and consoling his grieving mother is a low ass move to pull just because you aren't happy with the current state of the manga.
 

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Blizt uve dropped the manga like 10 times but u keep coming back....pathetic
 

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All I did was go down and replied. I didn't even skimmed through it. Especially on those first two points.
 

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All I did was go down and replied. I didn't even skimmed through it. Especially on those first two points.

Your perfectly logical rebuttal is both appreciated, and noted.
 
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