One question for Itachi fans

[raiban]

No, Yata Mirror can't take a punch from Superman. I know you're not trolling, but things don't go by databooks or statements, rather credible feats. Superman would definitely beat Itachi in a battle, but this is not a battle thread. In OP I clearly mentioned that Itachi has Yata Mirror activated by default, and superman can only target Yata Mirror, to test the the upper limit of Yata Mirror. Seeing the extent of power shown in Narutoverse, it's obvious that everything said about Yata Mirror is nothing but exaggeration

I posted a video of when Sasuke attacked the mirror with his sword. Even though Sasuke's physical strength is no where even a fraction near Superman's, what I did state in that post was my observation of the interaction between Sasuke's physical attack with the mirror itself. The mirror was able to momentarily stop Sasuke and launch him and his blade away. If it holds true that it was in fact able to deflect Sasuke's attempt at trying to break the shield, then it should also apply to Superman's brute strength. Yet we will never know, because not only will we never see this happen. Everything both of us are saying about the interaction between Superman's punch and Itachi's yata mirror is based off of our own speculation and beliefs of what they can do.

 

[Koro]

I think I made him give up. There's nothing left for him to say that can redeem himself. He might be mad because he lost, though.

One does not simply make Waltz give up; it's gonna' take more than that to make this psuedo-intellectual give up lel.

 

[Remedy]

The constructs are made from the rings, and in some cases the constructs are strengthened by their will power. The only things that break these constructs are other lights, the entities of that spectrum, and sheer force. Now seeing the sight of Superman ready to go H.A.M on you because you're wearing a green ring would make anyone have a mental breakdown and cry, except the Joker. The constructs were made with the weakness of being broken by sheer force and the sort, but the mirror was made with the intent to deflect any incoming force. Not saying Itachi would win, but I'm saying the mirror won't be broken.

The base durability of Green Lanterns is around planet level, with reinforced forcefields they can survive much more, including traveling through black holes, and in one case, temporarily holding back the energy of the Big Bang. They have telepathic defenses, can survive in space, can cross dimensions and manipulate them to a limited extent, creation of solid energy constructs that would dwarf Yata and Susanoo as a whole. Its just not a enough feats about Yatat to come to that conclusion, its all hyperbole.

 

[Narutofan4203]

Pesudo-intellectuals xd then I'll entertain you, Narutfan4203.

Saying that the Databook is highly irrelevant only highlights that you're not only being biased but do not entirely understand the purpose of the Databook. Discrediting it because of a few hyperbole's is entirely erroneous on your part simply because for the greater part of what is written with the Databook it is not only credible contains relevant information about each character, jutsu, location, chakra, ect. Are all these elements 'false and irrelevant' as well? Certainly not yet they comprise of the majority of the DB. Here is where you fail on contradicting Yata's hype: Making inapplicable references to pit against the Shield's stated capabilities. "Hype" can only be discredited if what is portrayed conflicts with the hyperbole itself or a statement is made within the Manga that contradicts the Hyperbole. An example:

-> Hiruzen being the strongest of all
-> Sasuke's(version referenced in the databook) God-like speed
-> Sasuke (version referenced in the databook) is undefeatable by any Akasuki member.
-> Amaterasu being as hot as the sun.

The majority is cognizant that these are false due to the material presented in the Manga following these statements contradicting with and in most cases entirely discrediting them, however, it has been the contrary for Yata-no-Kagami. Thus far there has been nothing discrediting Yata-no-Kagami's capabilities as it has

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any attack attempting to breach it's defenses and

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it's properties to negate incoming offences. Your argument remains the same as the OP, an appeal to ignorance that

"Because Yata hasn't shown to block everything, it cant"

If applied says:

"Shisui can't use any Fire jutsu because he hasn't been shown to use any"
"A Mangekyo user like Izuna could not use Genjutsu because he hasn't been shown to use any"

ect.

Lastly, the Manga and story are Kishimoto's thus what ever he states is what it is.


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Precisely so and I am aware of what superman is capabilities are but it makes no difference, when we are comparing a part-function Jutsu from the Naruto Manga to a DC character. It's only right and fair to give Yata-no-Kagami it's due credit that as many have already said: it was designed to negate all attacks and is the perfect Shield. However you are biased and only looking at the scenario from DC Comics standpoint. Since Superman's offences can be cross-referenced as a "physical attack" (something to which Yata negates) then he cannot destroy the shield. ​

Let us refute this one by one. Discrediting it because of a few hyperbole? The one I discredited for (Yata Mirror) is a hyperbole in itself! Like I said, you don't seem to get it. Multiversal debates are based off of feats. Feats alone, not fallacious hyperbole. I never said it was not credible. Most of it however, is hyperbole. Like how sasuke has god-like speed and is undefeatable. Surely he is not, because in a mere 60 chapters, he would be kicked around at the summit. Instead of directly responding for a pointless argument that will likely come through with insults, I will simply tell you why it is discredited if you don't get my drift. Why yata's "hype" (lmfao) is discredited? There are simply no feats backing what it said. This is simple for someone of your intelligence to get, no? Show me feats of yata even remotely displaying durability anywhere close to what the databook claimed. In case you're wondering, let me just put two words out there for you; You can't. It is as simple as that. With your "list", you already contradicted yourself. Point number 1. It simply contradicts itself because the only feat it has shown is tanking a town level at best attack. This is really easy.

Hyperbole in fiction:

Hyperbole is a term that refers to statements made in a particular work of fiction that are exaggerations of the actual truth of the matter. Often hyperboles are used as evidence in debates, and it can be very difficult to tell if a statement is hyperbole or not.

This is clear use of hyperbole in fiction. Your weapon in this debate is hyperbole, because you have not posted one scan of evidence, as I have posted 6. Via your self-proclaimed "logic", Yata mirror can tank the galaxy being destroyed, universe, the big bang, galaxies being shot into it, etc. Let me give you some examples of discredited hyperbole in comics.

1. Superman being called omnipotent (5 times)
2. The Presence calling himself omnipotent (Could not defeat the great evil beast)
3. Odin being called omnipotent (Was mid-tier skyfather level)

The shisui/izuna example? Lol, irrelevant! They're uchiha. It can be simply assumed. This is where the assumption of multiversal debates come in. Example: We cannot assume yata mirror can block everything simply because the author says so, it has no feats to do so. What you're trying to do here is form a loophole that we cannot get out of, so let me simply ignore this statement and leave it at that.

It cannot negate all physical attacks just because the author said so. DBZ for example, called Raditz faster than light for dodging piccolo's makenkosappo (Special Beam Cannon). This is not closely to even true. Using your logic however, it is. If it can be only fair to give your "due-credit" (cop out of debate) to Itachi, then superman, who has been called omnipotent, infinite power, is omnipotent. You see where this entire argument crumbles itself and just fails?

Pseudo-intellectual
1. One who attempts to flex intellect that does not exist within his or her own mind.

 

[raiban]

LOL! Are you kidding me? NOTHING of the mirror that has been stated has been shown through feats. My son, you seem to be new to this, so let me explain this to you. Multiversal debates are based off of feats. Nothing more, nothing less. You cannot base debates off of a No Limits Fallacy and Hyperbole. The no limits fallacy is just because something shows no limit, then it has none. Because it really has shown none of the durability feats it has claimed to have, it has none. Essentially, you and waltz are saying it's durability is infinitum due to this fact. No. Second, hyperbole. Hyperbole is used for exaggeration of strength and power of something. The databook is based completely on hyperbole. The databook states preta path can absorb all chakra based attacks when there are insane things like the Juubi's island level tailed beast ball and all it tanked was a mountain level rasengan. The databook says sasuke is undefeatable and has god-like speed, and god-like speed in regards to fiction is faster than light to such a level where one can cross the universe. All of this falls under hyperbole. It is not true because the author says it. Superman has been called omnipotent, when he is not even a nigh-omnipotent, shows no signs of reality warping, etc. Pre-retcon beyonder was called god, but then The One Above All appears. You seem to get my drift?



God, this pseudo-intellectual. You're claiming of us to be using fallacies, yet you've done nothing but do it yourself. And I see because your post is so low in content and demand, you have no argument backing this yourself. You have yet to show where this is canonically supported. Just a fallacious, disproved hyperbole, that is outdated (by 7 years), and phenomenal. Like I said, you seem to be new to this. Let me dry this out for you kid. Multiversal debates are based solely on feats. The author can say anything. Kishimoto said in the databook amaterasu was as hot as the sun.. no? The sun's surface is 10,000 fahrenheit. If something like that was to be let out on earth.. it would kill everyone for the span of at least 20 miles, but this is all basic 7th grade science, which I presume you took. The funny thing? It didn't even burn a samurai's armor completely~! What is canonically supported though, you may ask? The only thing yata mirror has tanked was a multi-city block level attack from Orochimaru. Endof.

I've already proven the feat of Itachi deflecting a physical attack via Yata Mirror through a video I've posted. The debate has ended of whether or not the mirror would be able to take on Superman's punches. It is an observable fact of how the mirror interacts with physical attacks a FEAT that was in the video. A comic book character with superhuman abilities handed to them from the writer is now given a feat once they've shown it happening.
Off topic: Sasuke has shown god speed through his limited teleportation, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't run faster than he can teleport in his limited range. Minato and Tobirama have also shown this feat as well through the use of FTG, which is faster than light since it is instant. The samura's armors is a different story, I'm not touching that one.

 

[Narutofan4203]

Follow-up: Did not see your two scans. Whateverthecasemaybe, you think that's anything? Those are ALL the feats it has displayed.. further proof of you having really no argument here. It simply repelled two multi-city block level attacks, and now it can repel a character who has punched stars and turned them into ice, punched through the sun, drilled through planets, knocked a portion off of planets with more denser mass than jupiter, and hurt characters with galaxy level durability? Leave with your dignity. Simple advice.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Superman was also called omnipotent. So I guess the god of islam, hebrew/christianity, and hindu are equal to superman and the One above all, amirite? All of this based on the fact that the author said it.. These kids are retarded.

Omnipotent is an true hyperbole disproved by the fact that some green shard can solo superman, nothing disproved yata so far.
I guess yata will adjust it's properties similar to those of kryptonite and GG.

The gods you mentioned are also omnipresent can revive dead and much more...retarded is to think there could be a comparison here U_U

 

[raiban]

The base durability of Green Lanterns is around planet level, with reinforced forcefields they can survive much more, including traveling through black holes, and in one case, temporarily holding back the energy of the Big Bang. They have telepathic defenses, can survive in space, can cross dimensions and manipulate them to a limited extent, creation of solid energy constructs that would dwarf Yata and Susanoo as a whole. Its just not a enough feats about Yatat to come to that conclusion, its all hyperbole.

lol Those GLs are on those roids right there. The only thing the Yata Mirror lacks in this whole thing is it taking a beating and seeing how it looks after that. Although I think the Yata Mirror wouldn't be able to survive the Big Bang since it can only be out if Itachi is alive, and he can't breathe in space.

 

[Narutofan4203]

I've already proven the feat of Itachi deflecting a physical attack via Yata Mirror through a video I've posted. The debate has ended of whether or not the mirror would be able to take on Superman's punches. It is an observable fact of how the mirror interacts with physical attacks a FEAT that was in the video. A comic book character with superhuman abilities handed to them from the writer is now given a feat once they've shown it happening.
Off topic: Sasuke has shown god speed through his limited teleportation, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't run faster than he can teleport in his limited range. Minato and Tobirama have also shown this feat as well through the use of FTG, which is faster than light since it is instant. The samura's armors is a different story, I'm not touching that one.

Okay. Many people can deflect physical attacks..? What does this have to do with anything? What was stated in the manga is simply a hyperbole and abiding this in debates is use of a no-limits-fallacy. The hyperbole here is that it can block any physical attack. The feat here is that it has only deflected two multi-city block level attacks. So until you can show me him tanking a character who can hurt people who can survive the milky way being erased, punch through red giants, and casually push and punch large chunks in planets, you are invalidated. Nuff said.

Off topic: That was even so, 7 years ago now. God speed? Teleportation isn't speed, it's a means of transportation. Nuff said. And also, if you want god speed..

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We're done here.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I posted a video of when Sasuke attacked the mirror with his sword. Even though Sasuke's physical strength is no where even a fraction near Superman's, what I did state in that post was my observation of the interaction between Sasuke's physical attack with the mirror itself. The mirror was able to momentarily stop Sasuke and launch him and his blade away. If it holds true that it was in fact able to deflect Sasuke's attempt at trying to break the shield, then it should also apply to Superman's brute strength. Yet we will never know, because not only will we never see this happen. Everything both of us are saying about the interaction between Superman's punch and Itachi's yata mirror is based off of our own speculation and beliefs of what they can do.

I respect your opinion, but we don't use assumptions in debate. Hype can only be used for complete omnipotent beings like TOAA. Any hype that's not associated with the creator God of that multiverse can be considered fallacious and hyperbole.

Franklin Richards is strong not because some random nobody said so, he has shown the feat (creation of a universe). When you make statements about powers being on universal level, there has to be appropriate feats as evidence for backup.

 

[Narutofan4203]

I respect your opinion, but we don't use assumptions in debate. Hype can only be used for complete omnipotent beings like TOAA. Any hype that's not associated with the creator God of that multiverse can be considered fallacious and hyperbole.

Franklin Richards is strong not because some random nobody said so, he has shown the feat (creation of a universe). When you make statements about powers being on universal level, there has to be appropriate feats as evidence for backup.

LOL. You own dude. This thread was over with my first response to waltz. These kids really have 0 argument.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Omnipotent is an true hyperbole disproved by the fact that some green shard can solo superman, nothing disproved yata so far.
I guess yata will adjust it's properties similar to those of kryptonite and GG.

The gods you mentioned are also omnipresent can revive dead and much more...retarded is to think there could be a comparison here U_U

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[Narutofan4203]

The no limits fallacy does not apply to Yata-no-Kagami since the entire concept of it negating all attacks because it is the history behind the shield, it's properties and how it functions. It was a shield designed to negate all attacks, whether physical, astral ect. It shouldn't even have been mentioned. An example of the no limits fallacy would be Gakido: [x]

Sigh, this is clearly your first time seeing use of the no-limits fallacy. None of what you said has been shown to be able to reflect anything even close to supermans abilities. None of the properties of functions to block "any physical attack" has been shown. Jesus christ kid, how hard is it? It reflected two multi-city block level attacks. Show me it reflected star busting attacks. Continent even. Country? You. Can. Not. You just hit yourself in the head, again. Too easy. You just used the no limits fallacy.

The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold. For a gross example, observing that a shield can easily withstand an attack from a particular weapon, one might illogically conclude that the shield could withstand fire from an unlimited number of those weapons at the same time, or that it could withstand fire from a similar weapon that was much more powerful.

Because it has shown no limit (simply reflecting a multi-city block level attack), it has none (now can reflect star piercing attacks). Get on my level then come back.

 

[Koro]

Moar walls of text!

 

[Waltz]

Let us refute this one by one. Discrediting it because of a few hyperbole? The one I discredited for (Yata Mirror) is a hyperbole in itself! Like I said, you don't seem to get it. Multiversal debates are based off of feats. Feats alone, not fallacious hyperbole. I never said it was not credible. Most of it however, is hyperbole. Like how sasuke has god-like speed and is undefeatable. Surely he is not, because in a mere 60 chapters, he would be kicked around at the summit. Instead of directly responding for a pointless argument that will likely come through with insults, I will simply tell you why it is discredited if you don't get my drift. Why yata's "hype" (lmfao) is discredited? There are simply no feats backing what it said. This is simple for someone of your intelligence to get, no? Show me feats of yata even remotely displaying durability anywhere close to what the databook claimed. In case you're wondering, let me just put two words out there for you; You can't. It is as simple as that. With your "list", you already contradicted yourself. Point number 1. It simply contradicts itself because the only feat it has shown is tanking a town level at best attack. This is really easy.

You're wrong, entirely. If you think most of the Databook is hyperbole then it only highlights that you haven't read it, son. A multiverse debate cannot be based solely on feats and this is why you continue to doubtlessly fail. An example why:

"Marvel's Tessaract/Cosmic cube vs Superman"

You: "The cube has no feats of tanking an attack with enough power to destroy a galaxy, therefore superman wins with a sneeze."

Truth: The cube cannot be destroyed.

The burden of proof is on your end and as you cannot prove that a physical attack can breach Yata's defences you have no argument and are only showcasing your idiocy. ;p

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This is clear use of hyperbole in fiction. Your weapon in this debate is hyperbole, because you have not posted one scan of evidence, as I have posted 6. Via your self-proclaimed "logic", Yata mirror can tank the galaxy being destroyed, universe, the big bang, galaxies being shot into it, etc. Let me give you some examples of discredited hyperbole in comics.

1. Superman being called omnipotent (5 times)
2. The Presence calling himself omnipotent (Could not defeat the great evil beast)
3. Odin being called omnipotent (Was mid-tier skyfather level)

Essentially you agree with what I've been saying? Perhaps you don't realize that your three points could have only been predestined when the Comic showcased an element contradicting with the hype.

-> Superman cannot be omnipotent if he was killed and defeated many times.
-> The presence cannot be omnipotent if he couldn't overcome the great evil beast
-> Odin cannot be omnipotent if he was overpower on several occasions

Yet:

-> If superman was never defeated throughout the Comic, then we cannot say that he is not omnipotent or discredit his hype
-> If the presence overcame the great evil beast, then we cannot say that he is not omnipotent or discredit his hype
-> If Odin was never defeated throughout the Comic, then we cannot say that he is not omnipotent or discredit his hype


I'll reiterate myself once more, the burden of proof that physical attacks can breech Yata-no-Kagami's defences lies on your hands.

Since I am a pesudo-Intellectual, my argument remains....refute it if you possess the intellect to do so.


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[Joseph Gomes]

LOL. You own dude. This thread was over with my first response to waltz. These kids really have 0 argument.

Thanks bro. I don't know why I'm bothering to ask this question to NB members, apart from you and a few others none of them have the brain to comprehend what we've been trying to say. These guys have no idea what's proven fact and what's not Lol

 

[raiban]

Okay. Many people can deflect physical attacks..? What does this have to do with anything? What was stated in the manga is simply a hyperbole and abiding this in debates is use of a no-limits-fallacy. The hyperbole here is that it can block any physical attack. The feat here is that it has only deflected two multi-city block level attacks. So until you can show me him tanking a character who can hurt people who can survive the milky way being erased, punch through red giants, and casually push and punch large chunks in planets, you are invalidated. Nuff said.

Off topic: That was even so, 7 years ago now. God speed? Teleportation isn't speed, it's a means of transportation. Nuff said. And also, if you want god speed..

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Teleportation isn't spead!? GO BACK TO PHYSICS! Speed is the amount of distance covered over the course of time. Transportation is either a device or the act of going from one location to another. If you can teleport from your couch to your kitchen, then that is transportation and speed of instant since you went from your couch to your kitchen, which has distance between it, over a period of time.
Now back on topic, the effects of the Yata Mirror is to deflect anything. It is a spiritual item, NOT a scientific item. It follows the rules of its effects written for it. We are basing this off of the writing of what they are capable of doing. With this in mind we know that the Yata Mirror deflects ALL, and Superman punches really HARD. Since you want to base this all off an unrealistic character who is displaying time travel by going backwards in time, then I will base this off of the knowledge the mirror. Superman will not be able to punch the mirror as he loses his powers in the presence of Kryptonite. Kryptonite is an element found on the planet Earth, and the Yata Mirror is infused with all nature transformations. Earth is a nature transformation, which means that the Yata Mirror is composed of Kryptonite as well as other elements that are found on earth. Superman dies, because everyone is waiting for him to punch. GG Superman 0 diff.

 

[Gein]

I'm sorry but Superman would obliterate Yata Mirror.

I do not even like Superman or any superhero.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I'm sorry but Superman would obliterate Yata Mirror.

I do not even like Superman or any superhero.

Nobody spoke of susanoo here U_U

 

[Narutofan4203]

You're wrong, entirely. If you think most of the Databook is hyperbole then it only highlights that you haven't read it, son. A multiverse debate cannot be based solely on feats and this is why you continue to doubtlessly fail. An example why:

"Marvel's Tessaract/Cosmic cube vs Superman"

You: "The cube has no feats of tanking an attack with enough power to destroy a galaxy, therefore superman wins with a sneeze."

Truth: The cube cannot be destroyed.

The burden of proof is on your end and as you cannot prove that a physical attack can breach Yata's defences you have no argument and are only showcasing your idiocy. ;p

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Essentially you agree with what I've been saying? Perhaps you don't realize that your three points could have only been predestined when the Comic showcased an element contradicting with the hype.

-> Superman cannot be omnipotent if he was killed and defeated many times.
-> The presence cannot be omnipotent if he couldn't overcome the great evil beast
-> Odin cannot be omnipotent if he was overpower on several occasions

Yet:

-> If superman was never defeated throughout the Comic, then we cannot say that he is not omnipotent or discredit his hype
-> If the prescience overcame the great evil beast, then we cannot say that he is not omnipotent or discredit his hype
-> If Odin was never defeated throughout the Comic, then we cannot say that he is not omnipotent or discredit his hype


I'll reiterate myself once more, the burden of proof that physical attacks can breech Yata-no-Kagami's defences lies on your hands.

Since I am a pesudo-Intellectual, my argument remains....refute it if you possess the intellect to do so.


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About the you and truth, it's what has been established. You cannot prove yata meets up to being able to it's standards bro. Simple use of the no-limits-fallacy. I'll post this again and again for as long as I'll have to.

The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold. For a gross example, observing that a shield can easily withstand an attack from a particular weapon, one might illogically conclude that the shield could withstand fire from an unlimited number of those weapons at the same time, or that it could withstand fire from a similar weapon that was much more powerful.

Because yata mirror was stated to block "any physical attack" by the author, and he has shown your supposed "feats" of this by blocking two multi-city block level attacks, yata mirror can reflect planet and star level striking strength that superman has displayed. Your basic display of idiocy.

Essentially you agree with me then? And you don't seem to get why I have been using the superman argument, but oh well. Let me give you three more points.

1. Itachi's yata mirror cannot deflect all physical attacks, simply because the author said so and it has blocked two multi-city block level attacks.
2. Used my example
3. Reinstated my example once more.

Yet:
1. But it never happened.
2. But it never happened.
3. But. It. Never. Happened.

Exactly why I used the examples. And simply with your "yet" section, you proved yourself to be using the no-limits-fallacy once more. Let me tell you what your burden of "proof" lies on. Because itachi has shown to deflect two multi-city block level attacks with the yata mirror that were physical.. he can deflect planet level and star level physical attacks, all because it hasn't shown a limit. What does this sound like folks? *yawn* Way too easy.

wrong
1. not correct or true
syn. Waltz' argumenmt