[Theory] Who Kaguya really is. The Big Lie...

[Six Paths]

Great thread as always man. It's hard to refute what you said when it's so well put together like that, who knows, maybe she is the fruit. Like others have said, there's still a lot of questions that come up if she is the fruit but like I said it's hard to disagree with your argument.

Thanks, And yeah We gotta wait and see.

so the fruit is already here as kaguya or is another on the way?

Yeah, Kaguya is the fruit itself.

Nice idea you have got there.

Thanks a lot =D

It was a nice Theory. I just don't see how or why the Shinju would rampage to get part of itself back if that part wanted to break off and turn into a woman..? It's not like it's stolen in that case... Idk, it's a good theory none the less.

I have another theory coming, talking about that

Why would Kaguya be interested in causing harm to the people living on the planet if she's the God Tree?

She wants to take care of the planet, but she hates the humans as they all do was fight, and she hates them cause everyone has her chakra inside them

 

[Conspirator.]

Rock solid theory!

 

[Hidari]

Hagoromo said that a new fruit will be (/come into existence) if all chakra becomes one. Sasuke, Naruto, Obito, Kakashi, Sakura and the four Hokage still have chakra and Kaguya hasn't absorbed them yet. Because of this, I don't think we can definitively say that Kaguya is the fruit. Also, when Hagaromo said it'll be game over if a new fruit is spawned, I guess he means that somebody will eat the fruit and become a new Kaguya and the cycle will repeat itself. Other than this little theory, I like your theory and it does seem plausible.​

 

[Hidari]

Mmmm not a bad theory but I am not convinced. Before the fruit was born all chakra was in the Shinju (aka the God of Creation). Every 1000 Years a fruit is born which then takes all chakra from the tree. So basically this myth refers to the 1000 years rebirth cycle of the Elemental Nations founding god.

Fruit->Sapling Tree->Fully Grown Tree->Old Tree->New Fruit(old tree dies)

My best bet currently is that Kaguya is a being similar to the Shinju, which makes her a demoness/(demi-)goddess. Her natural power was the Byakugan(or a proto form of it) which allowed her to see/detect other sources of godly power. In her greed for more she consumed the reborn Shinju (aka the Fruit), though her body couldn't adapt fully to the overflow of chakra and created Hagoromo and Hamura to balance the power. Those two are human because the Shinju created the Elemental Nations and all beings there.

Edit: The Juubi is then in fact the rampaging out of control form of Kaguya + Shinju. Maybe her sons tried to banish her and created this abomination through their actions?

This makes a lot of sense and I'm more inclined to believe this than Six Paths' theory.​

 

[Six Paths]

Hagoromo said that a new fruit will be (/come into existence) if all chakra becomes one. Sasuke, Naruto, Obito, Kakashi, Sakura and the four Hokage still have chakra and Kaguya hasn't absorbed them yet. Because of this, I don't think we can definitively say that Kaguya is the fruit. Also, when Hagaromo said it'll be game over if a new fruit is spawned, I guess he means that somebody will eat the fruit and become a new Kaguya and the cycle will repeat itself. Other than this little theory, I like your theory and it does seem plausible.​

Those chakra's don't even matter anymore. They are nearly nothing compared to all the chakra Kaguya has. And The hokages are Edo Tensei, their chakra doesn't belong to this world anymore, so it is lost forever, or it has been reborn into some other people more then one of course...

 

[conradoserpa]

I'm just kinda tired of so much lies in the manga.

Wish we - the readers - could see the full Uchiha's Tablet.


You may be right, btw. I even thought Kaguya was going to be born back from the fruit or Hinata because of this

 

[Meowazziel]

If she is the fruit itself, than why would the fruit stop the wars? The shinju was not involved in the wars right?

If she is the fruit, why would she have 2 children,
Hagaromo and Hamura?

I like your theory but those 2 points seem to be holes in it.

 

[Six Paths]

I'm just kinda tired of so much lies in the manga.

Wish we - the readers - could see the full Uchiha's Tablet.


You may be right, btw. I even thought Kaguya was going to be born back from the fruit or Hinata because of this

We need Rinngen, EMS, and Sharigan to read it, so it is futile
Thanks a lot =D

 

[conradoserpa]

If she is the fruit itself, than why would the fruit stop the wars? The shinju was not involved in the wars right?

If she is the fruit, why would she have 2 children,
Hagaromo and Hamura?

I like your theory but those 2 points seem to be holes in it.

He explained that everything is a lie for the theory to work as he wants

 

[Meowazziel]

He explained that everything is a lie for the theory to work as he wants

So Hagoromo and Hamura being her children is a lie? Where do the come from then?

 

[conradoserpa]

So Hagoromo and Hamura being her children is a lie? Where do the come from then?

Read his post, then you wont need to read me explaning it to you.

 

[Meowazziel]

Read his post, then you wont need to read me explaning it to you.

I have read it several times now and it is not answered

 

[conradoserpa]

I have read it several times now and it is not answered

"The story that Kaguya ate the fruit, was all made up by her itself."

 

[Meowazziel]

"The story that Kaguya ate the fruit, was all made up by her itself."

That line doesnt answer anything about Hagoromo and Hamura.

If she didnt ate the fruit but is the fruit, why did she, the fruit, have 2 children?

 

[conradoserpa]

That line doesnt answer anything about Hagoromo and Hamura.

If she didnt ate the fruit but is the fruit, why did she, the fruit, have 2 children?

Why can't she have children? Look at her form, she's human. Even if she was an alien, she would still be considerated human in Narutoverse.

Read his theory. Be open minded. Don't judge it, just feel the flow and say what you think is possible and what you think that isn't.

 

[Torche]

Why can't she have children? Look at her form, she's human. Even if she was an alien, she would still be considerated human in Narutoverse.

Read his theory. Be open minded. Don't judge it, just feel the flow and say what you think is possible and what you think that isn't.

Not trying to be a ****, but how does a fruit grow tits, a vagina, ovaries and a reproductive system as well as eye's, ears, a mouth, etc? A fruit can't just turn human :|

 

[conradoserpa]

Not trying to be a ****, but how does a fruit grow tits, a vagina, ovaries and a reproductive system as well as eye's, ears, a mouth, etc? A fruit can't just turn human :|

Look at Narutoverse and try to realize what you just said.

Things over there are way different from things in our world. You shouldn't compare.

 

[Torche]

Look at Narutoverse and try to realize what you just said.

Things over there are way different from things in our world. You shouldn't compare.

I'm not comparing reality to the Narutoverse. You could have come up with a reasonable explanation like because it's the spawn of the Shinju. But, the Bijuu are genderless chakra entities made from the Juubi, why is the fruit any different?

 

[conradoserpa]

I'm not comparing reality to the Narutoverse. You could have come up with a reasonable explanation like because it's the spawn of the Shinju. But, the Bijuu are genderless chakra entities made from the Juubi, why is the fruit any different?

Open your mind, zomg. Think how can it be POSSIBLE and not HOW I WILL DESTROY ITS POSSIBILITY.

She's the first. Her power was so great that it had to be divided in nine bijuus + gedo mazo (probably Hagoromo's body, but that's a theory of mine).


Bijuus form are close to what Kaguya is? NO! So what's the problem with her human form?

 

[Torche]

Open your mind, zomg. Think how can it be POSSIBLE and not HOW I WILL DESTROY ITS POSSIBILITY.

She's the first. Her power was so great that it had to be divided in nine bijuus + gedo mazo (probably Hagoromo's body, but that's a theory of mine).


Bijuus form are close to what Kaguya is? NO! So what's the problem with her human form?

That right there is incorrect. Her power wasn't divided at all. The Shinju turned into the Juubi, that was made into the current Nine Bijuu and the Gedo Mazo. The fruit is a spawn of what the Juubi thus Bijuu are. There for it would also be genderless. I am just saying that I can not see how the fruit could turn into a woman. I am not denying the possibility that it could/did happen.