Part 1: the origin of chakra

[Six Paths]

Haha thanks. I would love to know what you would have done differently lol

Hmmm, tough question.
I wouldn't have changed much, maybe a detail or 2.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Hmmm, tough question.
I wouldn't have changed much, maybe a detail or 2.

Haha ok well anyways i'm looking forward to what you will do and I can't wait to see what you focus on!

 

[Tenasa Uchiha]

Nice thread you 2

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Nice thread you 2

Thank you Tenasa. I'm sure B also appreciates it!

 

[mohdzarif]

I'm late reading this thread, sorry. :dunno:

Since the fruit came from the Shinju and the Juubi is actually the Shinju itself, they actually possess the same chakra. That's what makes sense.

Hagoromo spread the chakra through his "ninshuu" teaching. The chakra might had actually change in its property from a person to a different person probably because of the difference in their body.

Maybe something like a person born with strong body also enhance his chakra, while a person with weak body has weak chakra. Idk.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

Nice thread nan. I think sage already explained the rinnegan . In order to gain it you need to mix chakra from Indra and ashura and made sage chakra. Now that's the answer for obito.

About shinjuu and it's chakra is the thing all ppl using now.combine all those chakra in the world to shinjuu will gave a birth to a new fruit.so it's not hard to believe that single person could not control that much chakra. If the person is really strong then for a short period. I think kaguya was unable to control that power lately and she also become the victim of the fruit.
When itz come to sage/ brother , ashura/Indra that power/chakra was divided with verities. So they had no problem with it.

Think about this. Credit must go to my good friend.How about that fruit like a seed.that birth in order to creat a new tree? Nothing is permeant right? Itz a circle that going on and on.So when the tree close to die a new fruit blooms to make a new tree. But kaguya break this circle and eat the fruit . So she become the vessel of the new tree. So lately that fruit overpower her like I explain early.That explain that Juubi came after long time after eating the fruit and kaguya talk to madara been inside the tree right?

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Mohdzarif and sp. I will respond to both of you tomorrow haha, it's getting late here and I gotta get some sleep lol

 

[XR999]

Obito wasnt able to awaken the rinnegan becoz he didnt posses EMS. As stated by madara before he died n let obito to continue his plan, obito wont ge able to awaken rinnegan but will be able to control the GM as he had the chakra of both hashi n madara. Plus he didnt had both his eyes. As a set of eyes are more powerfull together.
If he had both his eyes n manged to awaken EMS maybe he would have awakened the rinnegan. Also madara awakened the eye of kayuga the one on his forehead after consuming the tree n being the juubi's jin while obito hadnt consumed the tree only been juubi's jin.
As obito had both the uchiha n senju chakra along with madara's n hashirama's, he may have been able to awaken the third eye if he had consumed the tree like madara.
But according to the uchiha tablet one must awaken EMS then need Senju chakra to awaken the rinnegan.

As for the chakra of holy fruit goes. It has to a powerfull chakra on the same lvl with the holy tree or ten tails as it is originated from it. Or cole to it as chakra fruit is part of the tree. Becoz its part of the tree it has powerfull chakra. Which maybe why kayuga couldnt control it, like when jins cant control the tailbeast chakra n get taken over by them, same must have happen to kayuga. She must have been taken over by chajra fruit. N now is following it will or revenge over mankind becoz kayuga ate the holy fruit tht should have been eaten by the humans.

 

[Behemoth55]

Please wait a little bit for part two~ Sandai Dōjutsu.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

very plausible theory and it supports all your opinions as well.
these are totally not baseless
good job bruh
*bro fist*

Thanks man. Your reply was totally not baseless haha

 

[Waindo]

Very theral and interesting. Amazing job dude/s!

 

[senjusana]

One Awesome Theory!
Wish Kishi elaborates like the way u did.

 

[demon of the leaf]

It's interesting

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I'm late reading this thread, sorry. :dunno:

Since the fruit came from the Shinju and the Juubi is actually the Shinju itself, they actually possess the same chakra. That's what makes sense.

Hagoromo spread the chakra through his "ninshuu" teaching. The chakra might had actually change in its property from a person to a different person probably because of the difference in their body.

Maybe something like a person born with strong body also enhance his chakra, while a person with weak body has weak chakra. Idk.

Haha it's all good I'm late responding lol.

That's an interesting thought on how chakra may respond differently based on the person's body, I never thought about that.

I agree with what you said about the fruit. Am I right in saying that you think that the regular chakra that we have seen is just a really small portion of the shinju's chakra?

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Nice thread nan. I think sage already explained the rinnegan . In order to gain it you need to mix chakra from Indra and ashura and made sage chakra. Now that's the answer for obito.

About shinjuu and it's chakra is the thing all ppl using now.combine all those chakra in the world to shinjuu will gave a birth to a new fruit.so it's not hard to believe that single person could not control that much chakra. If the person is really strong then for a short period. I think kaguya was unable to control that power lately and she also become the victim of the fruit.
When itz come to sage/ brother , ashura/Indra that power/chakra was divided with verities. So they had no problem with it.

Think about this. Credit must go to my good friend.How about that fruit like a seed.that birth in order to creat a new tree? Nothing is permeant right? Itz a circle that going on and on.So when the tree close to die a new fruit blooms to make a new tree. But kaguya break this circle and eat the fruit . So she become the vessel of the new tree. So lately that fruit overpower her like I explain early.That explain that Juubi came after long time after eating the fruit and kaguya talk to madara been inside the tree right?

Thanks for contributing sp, I loved everything you said!

Regarding the last paragraph, it's a very interesting thought. It's possible that the fruit and the shinju are both pissed kinda that the cycle is not continuing so they are in a constant struggle with kaguya. I had far fetched thought that maybe spiral zetzu was the manifestation of the fruit and will try to stop kaguya somehow. What do u think about that?

 

[Byakugan12x]

Great theory and good thread. My take on this is on the subject is what other people have said mainly that Obito didnt awaken the rinnegan because he wasnt the reincarnation of indra though he possessed Hashirama cells. However, the chakra topic is the interesting bit. I have a theory on it.


The chakra fruit gave kaguya the three doujutsu's and special chakra, this special chakra and doujustu was then passed on to her children (sage and sages brother). Now I will suggest that the sage managed to pass on bits of his chakra and the knowledge of chakra through Ninshuu. This I say because madara says that the sage "taught" us chakra

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And i believe what then happened was that the sage merged part of his chakra to other peoples thus unlocking theirs similar to what naruto did here

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And the reasons why he shared his chakra is because of his philosophy Nishuu and of his personal belief that if someone haves too much power they end up going mad and becoming conceited

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^^ This thus explains why everyone is being attacked by the tree. because in a sense they all possess parts of the sages chakra which has been merged completely into theirs. This also explains why only a couple of clans posses doujustus and having particularly strong chakra and thats because they are of direct lineage from the sage and his brother (Uchiha, uzamaki, senju and for this theory the hyuuga.)

The 1 to 9 tail beasts chakra i believe is different from everybody else's chakra since according to my train of thought every human chakra comes from the fruit and not the tree. (this explains partially why the tails beasts chakra colour is different) so according to this theory the tree and the fruit are two different types of chakra and the tree is trying to get its fruit chakra which was taken from it. Only problem is that the chakra given to people by the sage has now merged with their own life energy. and if all there chakra is consumed they die.

P.S btw this explains why people have much less chakra than tail beasts and that is because the tree is in a sense much larger than the fruit.

Great thread btw.. really interesting stuff. hope my thoughts help.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

Thanks for contributing sp, I loved everything you said!

Regarding the last paragraph, it's a very interesting thought. It's possible that the fruit and the shinju are both pissed kinda that the cycle is not continuing so they are in a constant struggle with kaguya. I had far fetched thought that maybe spiral zetzu was the manifestation of the fruit and will try to stop kaguya somehow. What do u think about that?

I doubt that Spiral zetsu have connection to the fruit.is he just made by oro. I think someone put a seal on him and it's active now. Thing like sasori did to kabuto and that other sand guy. And that curse mark oro put on him most likely come to play in future.

I think madara or obito will be back again. Kishi keep obito alive of a reason and that Jutsu Hashi gave him to deal with madara? May be sasuke can use that against kaguya too coz Itz the same vessel they both have now.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Interesting read.

 

[GhostProject]

Good job guys like always. Good and easy to understand analysis of the Shinju and Chakra origins.

Regarding why Obito didn't unlock it, I think it has to do with diluting of the bloodline perhaps? Maybe Madara and Sasuke were chosen by Indra because they had the closest genetics to the Sage of all the Uchiha, and therefore they are more prone to unlock the Rinnegan. This might lead us to believe that it is correct to assume that Kaguya and Hagaromo's chakra are much different than "regular chakra," which would lead us to believe the Shinju's chakra in the purest form is quite different as well.

Probably has something to do with Nature and Sage Chakra tbh, but I dunno Lol

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Obito wasnt able to awaken the rinnegan becoz he didnt posses EMS. As stated by madara before he died n let obito to continue his plan, obito wont ge able to awaken rinnegan but will be able to control the GM as he had the chakra of both hashi n madara. Plus he didnt had both his eyes. As a set of eyes are more powerfull together.
If he had both his eyes n manged to awaken EMS maybe he would have awakened the rinnegan. Also madara awakened the eye of kayuga the one on his forehead after consuming the tree n being the juubi's jin while obito hadnt consumed the tree only been juubi's jin.
As obito had both the uchiha n senju chakra along with madara's n hashirama's, he may have been able to awaken the third eye if he had consumed the tree like madara.
But according to the uchiha tablet one must awaken EMS then need Senju chakra to awaken the rinnegan.

As for the chakra of holy fruit goes. It has to a powerfull chakra on the same lvl with the holy tree or ten tails as it is originated from it. Or cole to it as chakra fruit is part of the tree. Becoz its part of the tree it has powerfull chakra. Which maybe why kayuga couldnt control it, like when jins cant control the tailbeast chakra n get taken over by them, same must have happen to kayuga. She must have been taken over by chajra fruit. N now is following it will or revenge over mankind becoz kayuga ate the holy fruit tht should have been eaten by the humans.

True I forgot about that. I still think a reason why he can't get rinnegan is because he doesn't have the chakra of the two sons like hagoromo pointed out with madara. Also I agree with the second paragraph except that I don't really understand the last sentence. Are you saying that the fruit was meant to be evenly shared between the humans?