Orochimaru's success rate is terrible

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Are we just going to forget that Orochimaru is currently in a Zetsu body, with his arms back, and we still don't know what his actual intentions are?
Of course not. Most of us are waiting to see if he has some sort of ulterior motive...but, imo, there's no denying those failures I mentioned.
 

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He attempted to do what no one thought was possible. Hats off to him for the effort tho.
 

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Yeah but his immortality gives him lots of time to try again
 

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Orochimaru isnt a complete failure, he may not have won battles but the things he accomplished are many, Due to all his research and experiments Kabuto was able to control the war for a long time and even shamed two uchihas at the same time

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Nothing else needs to be said.
 

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Nothing else needs to be said.
Firstly, so what? Success rate is success rate. Rather you used knowledge gathered by someone else to be successful in an endeavor is irrelevant.

Secondly, after using that knowledge, Kabuto got trolled by Itachi. So, technically, Orochimaru indirectly got beat by Itachi...again.
 

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He started his own village. Lol
 

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He created his own dimension,thats boss,doesnt change the fact that he is nothing but a Sasuke wanka at this point tho,Kishi just doesnt care about him.
 

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There's one thing you should consider when comparing Orochimaru to other villains. That Orochimaru actually learned and achieved everything by himself, without any stolen powers or OP kekkei genkai and that he was one of a few, who weren't manipulated by anyone.

But yeah, he had many failures, but you weren't expecting him to kill/take over main characters or defeat Itachi, when he's one of Kishimoto's favourite characters, were you?
 

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There's one thing you should consider when comparing Orochimaru to other villains. That Orochimaru actually learned and achieved everything by himself, without any stolen powers or OP kekkei genkai and that he was one of a few, who weren't manipulated by anyone.

But yeah, he had many failures, but you weren't expecting him to kill/take over main characters or defeat Itachi, when he's one of Kishimoto's favourite characters, were you?
I kind of was. In all of his fights, he doesn't really show us his true abilities, imo (I know Hiruzen really messed him up, but you would think someone as smart as him in the field of biology would be able to fix his arm problem somehow).

He was the main villain, and possibly is the final villain, yet he's only killed the Fourth Kazekage (who apparently didn't even try) and Hiruzen (indirectly, but yeah).

Madara and Obito have at least done some serious damage in their fights and have actually fought in more than two serious fights.

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Lel that applies well here.
 

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He just doesn't show his success. Him being immortal is very much a success for me
 

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He just doesn't show his success. Him being immortal is very much a success for me
Yes, he has some successes; immortality may be his biggest success.

Imo, his failures far outweigh his successes though.
 

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Good grief... This man just can't catch a break, can he? Even after supposedly coming up with a hypothesis of what the Uchiha Stone Tablet said to the extent of knowing that the Sharingan can potentially progress to the Rinnegan, this still happened...
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Like wtf? Is this guy every going to succeed?
 

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He is biggest failure. Never accomplished anything towards his goals.​
 
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