LOL @ People trying to make excuses for Yata mirror's power.

[MinaButt]

People have such selective reading when it comes to the databooks. I can't even take is seriously.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Raikiri was never stated to be able to cut through everything, it was just stated to have cut through lightning, which is true because it did...

Ya might want to re-read the paragraph next to kakashi.

 

[RikudouMadara]

I usually am not this way.....but I couldn't care less about what others say. You are correct.... Kamui may be a contender as it is said to have a similar "prowess". If they were to be put against one another no one knows what will happen except Kishi.

So without Kamui "NOTHING" gets through Yata. Not Meteors, Rasengan, Chidori, CT, Jinton, etc. Not saying Kamui gets by it though.... no one knows is all. Nothing.... until Kishi shows it to have a weakness it has none. Yata very well may be frail to some attacks. We have to see if Kishi is ever asked about it first.

Though until he says otherwise of his Manga and DB Yata reflects EVERYTHING. Not sure on Kamui and others things with such radical hype.

 

[KCMNaruto]

The Yata is overrated and shit stuff introduced in the manga.

I will never acknowledge it along with Totsuka shitty blade, due to lack of feats against current op hax powers/ abilities, lack of proper introduction(Their's origin are unknown, Itachi founding them just like that is BIG PLOT HOLE). Last thing Both weapons were used as plot deux ex machina decive/stuff, it has not impact in the story or on the plot.

YATA MIRROR AND TOTSUKA BLADE ARE THE WORST SHIT Kishi has introduced in his manga. He is guilty for masses of Itachi fapboys stating he can even challenge Goku..., which is RIDICULOUS.

I hope that he either bring them back to destroy their hype or set limit on them or admit that they were only plot device and they were never meant to be part of his story.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

You're contradicting yourself.

You said you can't make excuses for Yata's power, yet you just said you can for Hiruzen because 600 chapters later it disproved it. So, tell me, what if Yata's power gets disproved within the next 20 chapters. What will you say then?

Hm..

thats just it it has not yet many said kamui cant be beaten yet it has several times many thought kakshi could hit anyone madara proved that wrong

 

[AGoodBoy]

Ya might want to re-read the paragraph next to kakashi.

Funfact: 500 pages later and raikiri still has never failed to cut something... Including v2 jins that kusanagi couldn't pierce.
Even sasuke's version cut a juubi jin in 2.
So...?

 

[Inert Brian]

,llPeople can try to bring Hyberboles in to this, but until the manga proves the "exaggerated statement" incorrect, then it stands.

Before Nagato vs Itachi happened people would have said CT automatically wins the fight, even though in the manga Itachi disproves this by exploiting the weakness.

Raikiri being able to cut anything was disproved in the manga when Sasuke tried to hit Raikage, Yata on the other hand hasn't been disproved.

Obviously at the end of the day it's all speculation and whoever wins a fight isn't factual because factors can change fights. I'm simply pointing out that Yata haters have no argument, let's say Yata's description is a hyperbole, then you need to prove how durable Yata truly is. Could it tank TBB vs Night elephant?

The only confirmed weakness is that it can be bypassed with Gaara's sand, and Kamui on the user. The databooks said nothing about Yata not being able to be bypassed. Databook only talked about how durable it is.

Also if Yata mirror can clearly change its properties to prepare for any attack, then that would technically mean Yata can change to act like Tobi's MS. Sounds far fetched as hell, don't get me wrong. But Yata still has to be disproved.

Anyway, while Yata is out of the picture in the manga, people still bring it up in Vs threads....sooooo yea.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Funfact: 500 pages later and raikiri still has never failed to cut something... Including v2 jins that kusanagi couldn't pierce.
Even sasuke's version cut a juubi jin in 2.
So...?

Actually standard raikiri failed to cut through v2 shroud.
Raiden is a different technique altogether.

Sasukes's chidori never cut a v2 jin.

Were r u getting these facts from bro?

 

[Perlmutter]

You're contradicting yourself.

You said you can't make excuses for Yata's power, yet you just said you can for Hiruzen because 600 chapters later it disproved it. So, tell me, what if Yata's power gets disproved within the next 20 chapters. What will you say then?

Hm..

To be fair, he didn't contradict himself. He stated a fact, and then another fact. It is true that the manga disproved Hiruzen's power, atleast at his old age as prime Hiruzen has yet to be seen and never will be, and Yata has yet to be disproved on its power, and I doubt that will ever happen as we will never see it again.

 

[Anarkist]

Yata is overrated, a databook means shit, if Madara was to say to Sasuke 'the yata mirror would be useless against my susano'o' then would that not mean the mirror is no longer invincible?
Tbh, if Itachi had this unbreakable defence, why did he not go for Naruto instead of Nagato?
(Defense/Defence is the same)

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol @ People calling it hyperbole, there's no hyperbole, just lack of feats.

However according to the DB & the manga yata has been shown to do everything that they both mentioned.

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It blocked every attack coming it's way, & it changed it's properties.

There's nothing contradicting the statements regarding the yata mirror, if kishi wanted to do so he could have had edo itachi use it so it would break. It's been stated & shown that it can block the incoming attack.

"Can block all attacks"

That is a hyperbolic statement whether you agree or not.

You saying it can block all attacks based on a hyperbolic statement and the fact that its blocked whatever its come across is also a No Limits Fallacy, and the underlined isn't evidence that helps the "yata blocks all attacks" argument.

There are other hyperbolic statements that haven't been contradicted, should I go take those as facts as well?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Yata mirror in the databooks and manga was stated to change its properties to prepare for any incoming attack.

It's stated Yata mirror can stop anything.


I love how people try to put common sense in to Naruto and say "how can Yata possibly stop this or that.", or "Anyone who says Yata is as good as its stated to be is just an Itachi fan boy".

The burden of proof is on you Yata haters, you have to prove Yata's faults/weakness, otherwise it stands firm, and you have no way of saying it can't stop this or that. Love when people use the manga factually, but at the same time try to take away from it to strengthen their arguments.

Inb4 someone says: Well the manga stated that Hiruzen was the strongest of all hokages. Well the manga disproved that 600 chapters later by showing Hashirama Senju's power + he was the only one going toe to toe with Madara while Hiruzen did nothing.

Yata mirror on the other hand is yet to be disproved. #rantover.

Truth Seeking Orbs > Yata Mirror
Night Guy > Yata Mirror
Chibaku Tensei > Yata Mirror
Tengai Shinsei > Yata Mirror
Kamui > Yata Mirror
Rinbo Hengoku > Yata Mirror

Kamehameha > Yata Mirror

 

[Draphsin]

"Can block all attacks"

That is a hyperbolic statement whether you agree or not.

You saying it can block all attacks based on a hyperbolic statement and the fact that its blocked whatever its come across is also a No Limits Fallacy, and the underlined isn't evidence that helps the "yata blocks all attacks" argument.

There are other hyperbolic statements that haven't been contradicted, should I go take those as facts as well?

"It can change every one of it's properties" Is also a hyperbolic statement according to you. If so then everything the DB writes about it should just be disregarded entirely.

Just because it sounds unreasonable doesn't mean it's hyperbole, yata has been classified as something completely different than other tools. It's a magical/spiritual weapon & not of this world.

When the DB says "in the face of a god's power", that's when it's making hyperbolic statements. The difference between yata's statement & other hyperbole is that this has been mentioned multiple times & it's something that has been given multiple chances to be contradicted, yet still hasn't been.

 

[Chie]

The Yata is overrated and shit stuff introduced in the manga.

I will never acknowledge it along with Totsuka shitty blade, due to lack of feats against current op hax powers/ abilities, lack of proper introduction(Their's origin are unknown, Itachi founding them just like that is BIG PLOT HOLE). Last thing Both weapons were used as plot deux ex machina decive/stuff, it has not impact in the story or on the plot.

YATA MIRROR AND TOTSUKA BLADE ARE THE WORST SHIT Kishi has introduced in his manga. He is guilty for masses of Itachi fapboys stating he can even challenge Goku..., which is RIDICULOUS.

I hope that he either bring them back to destroy their hype or set limit on them or admit that they were only plot device and they were never meant to be part of his story.

So the fact that Itachi has hax weapons bothers you that much, huh?

It wasn't a plot hole considering that at that point in the story Itachi was known to be the wiser living known Uchiha and to have done extensive reading. His character type is also pretty mysterious and he always has something up his sleeve, those weapons were pretty much made for him. It was expected that he'd have a trump card during his fight with Sasuke anyway.

There aren't masses of Itachi fanboys claiming he can defeat Goku with them, that's just ludicrous and trolling. There are also Minato fanboys who claim he can beat Goku, Obito fanboys who claim he can beat Goku with kamui, and Madara fanboys who claim he can beat Goku...but they don't seem to bother you for some reason.

They are a part of the story. You saw them in the manga and they are a part of Itachi's arsenal. He's not bringing them back, considering that their only user has been dead for hundreds of chapters, in fact since ch 393.

Yata is overrated, a databook means shit, if Madara was to say to Sasuke 'the yata mirror would be useless against my susano'o' then would that not mean the mirror is no longer invincible?
Tbh, if Itachi had this unbreakable defence, why did he not go for Naruto instead of Nagato?

-Sasuke is not in possession of Yata Mirror
-Madara may not have even heard about it, the manga states that most question whether or not they even exist
-Why would Sasuke randomly appear in possession of them?
- Don't really know why the weapons bother you so much...Itachi has been dead since ch 393, Yata isn't coming back anytime soon
-Yata hasn't failed, nor will it ever considering it's not making an appearance anytime soon. It itself isn't overrated...just the amount of time Itachi can hold it up for is.
-The databook is formulated by Kishimoto. By that logic the entire manga and all of his work and everything he has stated is crap too.
-Itachi was assigned to capture Naruto. He just never went after him to seriously take him because he was a double spy. Then he died, and Nagato decided to go after him. That has 0% relevance with Yata.

 

[Conspirator.]

The yata mirror is overrated by Itachi fanboys. Kidgamer65 hit the nail on the head(as usual) The databook is obviously using hyperboles to describe the mirror, and applying the no limits fallacy is idiotic.

 

[LuckyMan]

Also I already stated that the manga disproved Hiruzen being the strongest Hokage, why was Hashi fighting Madara and not Hiruzen then?

Your making no sense. Hiruzen was probably not born yet or probably a toddler at that time. Your own logic is flawed. Chapter 600 proved Madara lost to Hashirama, nothing more. You come off as a buthurt 10 year old Itachi wanker.

 

[Senju Bean]

Ok, going by pure Manga facts,

Hiruzen can use Kotoamatsukami because Koto is a Konoha Jutsu. You must admit this to be true since we are both using manga facts.

Now, Question. Why didn't Itachi become invincible and save the world?

 

[Senju Bean]

"It can change every one of it's properties" Is also a hyperbolic statement according to you. If so then everything the DB writes about it should just be disregarded entirely.

Just because it sounds unreasonable doesn't mean it's hyperbole, yata has been classified as something completely different than other tools. It's a magical/spiritual weapon & not of this world.

When the DB says "in the face of a god's power", that's when it's making hyperbolic statements. The difference between yata's statement & other hyperbole is that this has been mentioned multiple times & it's something that has been given multiple chances to be contradicted, yet still hasn't been.

So Hiruzen can use Shinjusenju then?

Using your reasoning

 

[Chie]

Ok, going by pure Manga facts,

Hiruzen can use Kotoamatsukami because Koto is a Konoha Jutsu. You must admit this to be true since we are both using manga facts.

Now, Question. Why didn't Itachi become invincible and save the world?

-The manga stated he could use most of Konoha's main jutsu. Not all of it. Also, Kotoamatsukami isn't classified as a Konoha jutsu...as in a jutsu that is exclusive to a clan that can be passed down. It's exclusive to one individual...who got his eye ripped out by Danzo and is currently dead.

-Itachi isn't invincible, nor will he ever be. He's long gone and when he was alive, he had a terminal illness and terrible stamina due to that which caused him to be able to hold his weapons for a very limited amount of time. That doesn't have anything to do with Yata itself. U_U

Your making no sense. Hiruzen was probably not born yet or probably a toddler at that time. Your own logic is flawed. Chapter 600 proved Madara lost to Hashirama, nothing more. You come off as a buthurt 10 year old Itachi wanker.

Just pointing this out...

The op was asking why Edo Hiruzen didn't fight Edo Madara since he's considered to be the strongest. That's not flawed logic, it's merely a legitimate question. Saying Hiruzen wasn't born yet or probably a toddler is an excuse for when Madara & Hashirama fought when they were alive...not now. As of now, it is plainly obvious that Kishimoto retconned the power levels for the hokage and that Hashirama was the strongest one among them. He was the only one that could handle Edo Madara, Edo Hiruzen has to settle for a buddha that Karin soloed. :/

 

[KCMNaruto]

So the fact that Itachi has hax weapons bothers you that much, huh?

It wasn't a plot hole considering that at that point in the story Itachi was known to be the wiser living known Uchiha and to have done extensive reading. His character type is also pretty mysterious and he always has something up his sleeve, those weapons were pretty much made for him. It was expected that he'd have a trump card during his fight with Sasuke anyway.

There aren't masses of Itachi fanboys claiming he can defeat Goku with them, that's just ludicrous and trolling. There are also Minato fanboys who claim he can beat Goku, Obito fanboys who claim he can beat Goku with kamui, and Madara fanboys who claim he can beat Goku...but they don't seem to bother you for some reason.

They are a part of the story. You saw them in the manga and they are a part of Itachi's arsenal. He's not bringing them back, considering that their only user has been dead for hundreds of chapters, in fact since ch 393.

@ Yes the fact that Itachi HAD The weapons bother me that much cause of masses of Itachi's fanboys used them to state Itachi is God/invincible etc., besides he is supperior to Goku or some other bullshit.

The lack of proper introduction of these sacred weapons is indeed plothole not matter how much you try to deny it.
These weapons weren't made for Itachi but they were just introduced by Kishi into stroy as deux ex machina or plot devices to get rid of Orochimaru at that time. It is furhter proved by Kishi when they were not bringed back along with ressurected Itachi.

However I agree with Itachi having trump card against Sasuke in battle... but I think Sussano would be sufficent. The problem with Itachi's fanboys while trolling is using NO LIMIT FALACY of these two sacred weapons in vs debate to prove their favourite supperior. Neither Minato's, Madara's or Obito's fanboys can use NO LIMIT FALLACY argument to wank or prove their favourite being Goku, so they will never convince me even if they also sound annoying a lot of times.

I like Itachi, he was actually one of the best characters written by Kishi, however giving him These two sacred weapons without proper introduction or setting limit on them or at least no stating that they have no weakness allowed wild fapboys to wank and fap other him being Solo King/Solo God and so on that it destroyed his image in my eyes and I like him much less now. It simple made Itachi broken character which is sad.

Actually I don't see Itachi being able to stop Juubi's TBB with his Yata Mirror in opposite to fanboys which claim that shit. The Juubi, Kagyua or Sage could be defnietly above Yata Mirror or Totsuka Blade unless on of them or some Kami was stated to create them.

It may be due to me being Dragon ball fan so I am fan of Power level advancing along with plot moving forward. In shot I am fan of abc logic, so it is simple and easy to know who is better or that someone with lower power level can not affect someone with bigger power level. It maybe that I don't understand how hax work...

That is just my opinion and thanks for the fast reply