[VS] Tobirama Senju vs Third Raikage

[Gold Lightning]

Tobirama's shunshin is as fast as Hiruzen and Hashirama [

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Minato used FTG to counter attack Ay, not dodge. Which is besides the point anyway, if you have a faster, more effective technique then of course you'll use that one. It's just common sense to use FTG in that scenario instead of body flicker.

 

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Minato used FTG to counter attack Ay, not dodge. Which is besides the point anyway, if you have a faster, more effective technique then of course you'll use that one. It's just common sense to use FTG in that scenario instead of body flicker.

Dodge and counterattack is the same thing in Minato's scenario.​

 

[shelke]

Third isn't as fast as Fourth in V1, proven by the fact how The Mist Ninja could easily react to him and how he dodged FRS, which isn't a fast technique to begin with. That aside, Tobirama is stomped bad. He has nothing in his arsenal to even dent the guy, whilst Raikage has greater Chakra pools and can use variations of Raiton Stab - like Sasuke. This gives him more versatility.

With his Raiton Shroud, his defense is only increased. I'll say low difference.

 

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Two scans = 2 bullets = Dead

 

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Two scans = 2 bullets = Dead

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[shelke]

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Are those scans for me? Not sure what you're trying to say.

 

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You know what forget it.....

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Are those scans for me? Not sure what you're trying to say.

Yes, they are for you. I will crop them to make it more clear.​

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[BlacLord™]

Suiton has a unique relationship with Raiton.

Tobirama can use the water's conductivity to mirror the Raikage's LRA against himself, causing him to be paralysed. The rest is history.

And speed isn't a problem, since Tobirama has pretty much instant reflexes and pin sharp reaction times - especially seeing as Tobirama has intel, he can use his brain to deconstruct the situation.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Dodge and counterattack is the same thing in Minato's scenario.​

Its not the same thing at all. If minato just wanted to get out of the way and evade the attack then he would've, whether it was with FTG or body flicker. But he used FTG and left the kunai behind in order to quickly strike Ay before he could react, that's a counter attack. His whole purpose of that dodge was to counter Ay and defeat him in one slash.

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Good scan

 

[shelke]

Yes, they are for you. I will crop them to make it more clear.​

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Erm ... So?

 

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Erm ... So?

So, 3rd Raikage and his son are equal in version 1.​

Its not the same thing at all. If minato just wanted to get out of the way and evade the attack then he would've, whether it was with FTG or body flicker. But he used FTG and left the kunai behind in order to quickly strike Ay before he could react, that's a counter attack. His whole purpose of that dodge was to counter Ay and defeat him in one slash.



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No, Minato couldn't have gotten out of the way, hence why he threw out his kunai to prevent being speedblitz. Either way, my point still stands on Tobirama here.​

 

[Gold Lightning]

So, 3rd Raikage and his son are equal in version 1.​

No, Minato couldn't have gotten out of the way, hence why he threw out his kunai to prevent being speedblitz. Either way, my point still stands on Tobirama here.​

the fact that he threw a kunai faster than Ay's blitz suggest he can. You saying no he can't has evidence to back that up, there's no reason why he can't.

 

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the fact that he threw a kunai faster than Ay's blitz suggest he can. You saying no he can't has evidence to back that up, there's no reason why he can't.

OMG! Minato having Intel on Ay's speed [

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Minato throws out his kunai markings [

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Him throwing his kunai before speedblitz doesn't mean shit, especially without his markings, he would have been dead.​

 

[shelke]

So, 3rd Raikage and his son are equal in version 1.[/indent][/FONT]

I doubt that scan proves it. Also, I don't agree. V1 Ae's Reflexes alone are at 'Flashes of Light'. He has superior reflex speed as well. He blitzed Juugo very badly, twice. When Juugo actually managed to hit Bee and save Sasuke. We all know how fast Bee himself is.

Let's not forget these scans:

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- The distance between the Alliance and Raikage.
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- Yet they erected the Doton walls before he could reach them.

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- Naruto and the Dodai have yet to hit the ground here.
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- Their feet hit the ground, Dodai thinks and creates the Lava Balloon -

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Then we have the FRS incident. I don't see how this guy matches V1 Ae.

 

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I doubt that scan proves it. Also, I don't agree. V1 Ae's Reflexes alone are at 'Flashes of Light'. He has superior reflex speed as well. He blitzed Juugo very badly, twice. When Juugo actually managed to hit Bee and save Sasuke. We all know how fast Bee himself is.

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- The distance between the Alliance and Raikage.
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- Yet they erected the Doton walls before he could reach them.

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- Naruto and the Dodai have yet to hit the ground here.
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- Their feet hit the ground, Dodai thinks and creates the Lava Balloon -

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Then we have the FRS incident. I don't see how this guy matches V1 Ae.

Juugo isn't a supportive example, and Bee wasn't blitzed, since he got to the mountain while being electrocuted. Second example, 3rd Raikage didn't use any speed at all. As for my scan, Naruto states he took them out in INSTANT.​

 

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OMG! Minato having Intel on Ay's speed [

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Minato throws out his kunai markings [

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Him throwing his kunai before speedblitz doesn't mean shit, especially without his markings, he would have been dead.​

It was a rumour that Ay had a fast attack. How does that tell someone how fast you are. That's like if someone met Hashirama hand then said "I heard you're powerful" that is not intel, at least not helpful intel.

What does the throwing out Kunai's have to do with anything.

Of course him tossing a kunai above Ay while Ay was running at high speed means something; it means he was fast enough to react and make movement despite Ay's blitz, if he can do that with his hand then why not his feet. You saying Minatos hand speed is faster than his foot speed then?

 

[shelke]

Juugo isn't a supportive example, and Bee wasn't blitzed, since he got to the mountain while being electrocuted. Second example, 3rd Raikage didn't use any speed at all. As for my scan, Naruto states he took them out in INSTANT.​

I am talking about the time when Bee was Punched after he had stabbed Sasuke. He didn't even react to his speed. So yes, he was beaten there. Which part are you talking about?

Instant? Hardly, given as he simply ran through them:

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It might have killed them instantly, but he moved through them instantly? No.

Anyways, you should focus on your Minato points, as I am not going to budge.

 

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It was a rumour that Ay had a fast attack. How does that tell someone how fast you are. That's like if someone met Hashirama hand then said "I heard you're powerful" that is not intel, at least not helpful intel.

What does the throwing out Kunai's have to do with anything.

Of course him tossing a kunai above Ay while Ay was running at high speed means something; it means he was fast enough to react and make movement despite Ay's blitz, if he can do that with his hand then why not his feet. You saying Minatos hand speed is faster than his foot speed then?

There is a difference between seeing an attack coming and avoiding it. Naruto saw Madara's attack, but couldn't avoid it. Same with Minato. Minato moving his hand, doesn't mean he can move his whole body to avoid it. And yes, Ay is faster than Minato at footspeed. Manga wont repeat itself. Minato only avoided Ay, because of the FTG.​