[VS] Hebi Sasuke vs. SM Naruto

[Forbidden Tale]

SM Naruto with mid diff.

 

[makosheva7]

Is Kirin not a factor here?

 

[makosheva7]

or CM2? .....

 

[makosheva7]

These people have spoken.

This actually wasn't my intention. People started saying Sasuke LOW-diff because of genjutsu, so I tweaked the rules to make it more even, not so that Naruto would win. Chill out.

 

[RustledJimmies]

This actually wasn't my intention. People started saying Sasuke LOW-diff because of genjutsu, so I tweaked the rules to make it more even, not so that Naruto would win. Chill out.

Then Naruto would win low-diff with these conditions, your thread is still biased.

 

[Rufus ShinRa]

Sage mode naruto wins with med diff

 

[makosheva7]

Then Naruto would win low-diff with these conditions, your thread is still biased.

How is my thread biased if I'm clearly trying to make things even? The whole point in me making it was because I don't know who'd win in an even fight. I didn't know Naruto would win low-diff (again it's why I made the thread) based on my additional restrictions, so how can I be biased? Don't assume. It's like if I didn't add the additional restriction, then by your logic my thread would be biased against Naruto. Its not the case. Again because it was an unknown to me at the time.

 

[Apêx1]

Naruto has no chance. You basically restricted his SM completely due to restricting his 'chain' summoning. Sasuke low diff.

How is my thread biased if I'm clearly trying to make things even? The whole point in me making it was because I don't know who'd win in an even fight. I didn't know Naruto would win low-diff (again it's why I made the thread) based on my additional restrictions, so how can I be biased? Don't assume. It's like if I didn't add the additional restriction, then by your logic my thread would be biased against Naruto. Its not the case. Again because it was an unknown to me at the time.

It is biased. Take away genjutsu so Sasuke has less of a chance. Imo Naruto has 0 counters for it with Ma and Pa restricted.

 

[Voidstep]

Naruto has no chance. You basically restricted his SM completely due to restricting his 'chain' summoning. Sasuke low diff.



It is biased. Take away genjutsu so Sasuke has less of a chance. Imo Naruto has 0 counters for it with Ma and Pa restricted.

0 counters?

Nardo wins with or without restrictions
clones cannot be put under genjutsu, he knows about sharingan genjutsu, and he can use a couple clones even if he has clones at the mount... just like he did against Pein.

Saske speed... Nardo in SM has chakra sensing with danger warning
his speed is also enhanced, and he has frog katas that will give Saske a hard time to read

all Nardo has to do, is fight him with 1 or 2 clones, if 1 clone goes down, he just drops his pants and makes another

 

[Xlad]

Shouldn't Sage Mode also

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the power of Naruto's

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? Naruto gave a good resistance to Itachi's genjutsu and at that time, he didn't have the powerup of senjutsu.

 

[Voidstep]

Shouldn't Sage Mode also

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the power of Naruto's

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? Naruto gave a good resistance to Itachi's genjutsu and at that time, he didn't have the powerup of senjutsu.

it might help
but it's still effective, DSM Kabuto had to cover his eyes to be able to fight the Uchiha bros, or he'd get soloed by Itachi in a blink

 

[Apêx1]

0 counters?

Nardo wins with or without restrictions
clones cannot be put under genjutsu, he knows about sharingan genjutsu, and he can use a couple clones even if he has clones at the mount... just like he did against Pein.

Saske speed... Nardo in SM has chakra sensing with danger warning
his speed is also enhanced, and he has frog katas that will give Saske a hard time to read

all Nardo has to do, is fight him with 1 or 2 clones, if 1 clone goes down, he just drops his pants and makes another

Incorrect, he only wins without restrictions.

Naruto making clones won't necessarily be the difference in who wins. Sasuke still has the sharingan and still is much quicker. Naruto only has an edge in physical strength, rest goes to Naruto. More so, Naruto would have to expend senjutsu chakra in order to make his clones enter SM as well. Meaning only a small amount can be made without wasting much senjutsu chakra. Furthermore, Naruto needs to use the scroll to un-summon his clones, which is doubtable since Sasuke won't give him such a chance.

Sasuke uses chirdori nagashi and kills every clone around him. Sasuke has a sword covered with raiton, meaning he will still beat Naruto in CQC no matter what. Naruto will never be in range to hit Sasuke despite range increase from SM, whereas Sasuke can either stay in his range or use his sharingan to predict any upcoming chakra usage. Snakes bind Naruto as well [

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]. Once he's the last one/senjutsu runs out Sasuke proceeds to genjutsu. I have not even factored in C2, which will literally stomp Naruto.
Either way, Sasuke's intelligence, Sharingan, Kit, and speed will give him a clear edge in this fight.

 

[V h o]

People overrated Sasuke's genjutsu feats. Didn't he only use it against Bee.

 

[makosheva7]

Naruto has no chance. You basically restricted his SM completely due to restricting his 'chain' summoning. Sasuke low diff.



It is biased. Take away genjutsu so Sasuke has less of a chance. Imo Naruto has 0 counters for it with Ma and Pa restricted.

Do you even know the definition of bias? Here you go, bias: "prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair." I am not in favor of Naruto or Sasuke in this thread, and I didn't create the restrictions to be biased. I simply created them to try to even the plane. I think the term your looking for is "one-sided". Okay, due to not enough knowledge somewhere along the way I might have made a one-sided matchup, but that doesn't mean I'm biased, especially if I tried evening the playing field. What's with people in NB not knowing basic vocabulary? And I pretty much did take away genjutsu, because I said Kurama can feed him chakra to break him out (not that he'd need it in SM according to some people). And I was originally arguing about my post being "biased" towards Naruto, and now YOU think that it's biased towards Sasuke? Like... what?

 

[Voidstep]

Incorrect, he only wins without restrictions.

Naruto making clones won't necessarily be the difference in who wins. Sasuke still has the sharingan and still is much quicker. Naruto only has an edge in physical strength, rest goes to Naruto. More so, Naruto would have to expend senjutsu chakra in order to make his clones enter SM as well. Meaning only a small amount can be made without wasting much senjutsu chakra. Furthermore, Naruto needs to use the scroll to un-summon his clones, which is doubtable since Sasuke won't give him such a chance.

Sasuke uses chirdori nagashi and kills every clone around him. Sasuke has a sword covered with raiton, meaning he will still beat Naruto in CQC no matter what. Naruto will never be in range to hit Sasuke despite range increase from SM, whereas Sasuke can either stay in his range or use his sharingan to predict any upcoming chakra usage. Snakes bind Naruto as well [

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]. Once he's the last one/senjutsu runs out Sasuke proceeds to genjutsu. I have not even factored in C2, which will literally stomp Naruto.
Either way, Sasuke's intelligence, Sharingan, Kit, and speed will give him a clear edge in this fight.

not having clones at the mount works on Nardos favor, cause instead of fighting him with a couple SM clones, he'd gang him with more SM clones and end the fight faster.

chidori nagashi... you realise not all clones need to be hugging Saske!?!? and once he uses it to paralize 1 on 2 clones he leaves himself open for an attack...

I don't see how Hebi Saske survives a SM clones gang, or a FRS.
IMO MS Saske beats SM Nardo, but SM Nardo is too much for Hebi Saske, their MS and SM versions are on another level, simple.

 

[lelerskates]

Sasuke wins.

He is way too fast for Naruto. His sharingan can differentiate between shadow clones and the real guy.

This is where I stopped reading. EMS can differentiate between shadow clones and the real thing, not base sharingan. And he isn't too fast for Naruto when SM Naruto's reflexes are faster than the 3rd Raikage's which is > to Hebi Sasuke's speed. Naruto wins mid difficulty.

 

[Optimistic]

People overrated Sasuke's genjutsu feats. Didn't he only use it against Bee.

omg wow this guy, he uses genjutsu in almost ever fight in Shippuden.

 

[Haizaki]

You just want Naruto to win smh.

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Broo who wins?...just please say it lool

 

[Sennin of Logic]

SM Naruto desecrates.

 

[Chīkara]

Hebi Sasuke wins without Genjutsu. Come at me.

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