[Discussion] One Aspect Naruto >>> One Piece In

[NarutoB]

Yup I love me some One Piece. The way that Natzu guy stretches like rubber by using his Bankai is amazing

 

[Pirate King]

ace and wb death >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any death in naruto

 

[shon93]

The two are similar but he obviously didn't just rip it off.
Also Naruto has several goals. How can Luffy's goal of greed be bigger than Naruto's goal of appreciation, saving his friend, and saving the world which was potentially being threatened by his friend.

Luffy wants to be PK to be the freest man on the sea bro I don't see what wrong with that consideing the show is about adventure and pirates

 

[David1996]

I love how completely ignored what he wrote... You're really delusional, hahaha.

I didn't read, too long

 

[123fire]

it's ironic how WB's and Ace's death>>>>>>>>>anything that ever happened in Naruto XD

and the death of a ship>>>>any death in Naruto

PS: please do not compare Naruto and OP on logic because anyone who read both could destroy Naruto in that argument

even a great chapter of Naruto like the one this week has illogical things in it, in fact it broke down everything Kishi built up in part 1 and than to top it of he broke down everything in part 2, everything in just ONE chapter

I read te two naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>one piece and has more logic and stop lying about the chapter having illogical things at least write them up geez...

 

[David1996]

I love how completely ignored what he wrote... You're really delusional, hahaha.

I don't understand.. what do you want to prove ?

 

[Olorin]

I read te two naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>one piece and has more logic and stop lying about the chapter having illogical things at least write them up geez...

I did XD ...

 

[hixa kuogame]

That's why Naruto Shippuden isn't doing so well in sales, huh? Everyone in the naruto section always pray for no ass-pulls, what does that tell you about the series as a whole? It's a piece of overrated sh*t. xD I want it to end already <3 Good riddance

First of all Sales are great for Naruto. Especially worldwide. Second, the people in the Naruto section are *****y dumbasses that complain all the time. If you go anywhere else, people actually appreciate the series.

Naruto is no where near as overrated as One Piece. If One Piece fans weren't wanking the series so much, they would realize that there are way more asspulls in One Piece than Naruto.
Obvious Naruto hater.

 

[shon93]

I read te two naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>one piece and has more logic and stop lying about the chapter having illogical things at least write them up geez...

You mean the logic of making a villian and not knowing how to kill him because you gave him a bullshit powerup everyweek. That is what I call bad writing. The first thing you do when you make a villian is decide on there weakness an how to beat them.

Oda is a way better writer than Kishi bro just live with it an move on. OP has no plot holes and Naruto is loaded and thats what it comes down too

 

[SSS12]

a thread I just made:

669:

First of all the power scaling, let's recap what Madara was able to do:
1. in Edo Tensei mode (ie weakened) he wiped the floor with the 5 kage, in fact he toyed with them and beat the living daylight out of them with his clones
2. once he was revived he wiped the floor with the entire alliance (the Hokage, the Kage, Naruo&Sasuke, Bee, all the jounin, Orochimaru, ...) and the Bijuu, they couldn't really do anything to him and to top it off he absorbed the Bijuu
3. than after he absorbed them and became the demi-sage
not to mention he owned Minato and Hashirama in the same way Goku would own a house cat
and than we get Gai who just for the price of his life can go and deal damage to Madara when the entire alliance failed to do so to his weaker state?! atm from what we have seen Gai could own the entire Akatsuki with one finger, what's up with that? he would own pre-TS Hiruzen and Orochimaru in about 0.00001 sec and he makes Jiraiya (once hailed as a legend) a fodder. Now Naruto to me officially has worse power scaling than Fairy Tail. And every Naruto fan who complained about Natsu beating Sting and Rogue has absolutely no say in this because I bet everything I have that if say ... Lyon from FT was beating around a powerd up Acnologia just for the price of his life you would all rage.

First my fav characters (Minato, Jiraiya, Nagato, Itachi) were made irrelevant by Hasshirama and Madara which I could stomach but now by Gai, I mean wtf?

That to me is catastrophically bad power scaling

but yes it did look cool

670:

The real issue I have with this chapter is that it pretty much contradicts both part 1 and part 2 of Naruto.

First of all this chapter made the Senju brother look like a noone who worked hard to become a legend, but that concept went out the widow a looooooooooong time ago in Naruto, if hard work was enough to be strong than Rock Lee should be kicking everyone's ass right now, but he's not, in fact he's not really all that strong. But it's not only him, many shinobi work hard but don't become even comparable to Naruto or Sasuke (and these are still freaking kids). Kishi may write about hard work paying off in the speech bubbles but the manga as a whole disagrees with him, which is funny because he is the author, I have no idea what exactly he wants from that at this point.

Second is the fact that the Senju brother was ''untalented'' and now we get his reincarnation who learned Rasengan in no time, who mastered Sage mode in enough time to fight Pain (when even his genius father is bad at it), not only that but there is also the Senju DNA and Hashirama's cells which pretty much lead the course of power through all shippuden from Orochimaru to Madara, just that simple DNA of the apparently ''untalented'' branch of the sage family bringing ppl to the top tiers of Naruto, yes the Senju brother was untalented indeed, well Hashirama disagrees heavily, as does Tobirama btw

third is the fact that the noone that Naruto was supposed to be is now the chosen one, the strong genius ninja and now even the reincarnation of Sage's son, and than to top it off Kishi say's that even if your parents are talented it doesn't mean you will be too and he says it to Naruto, when he is basically at the TOP of Narutoverse and mastered techs his father never could

not to mention the brother he pulled out of his behind

i really didn't want to get into this and just said it was fine, but no imo both chapters were catastrophic for the Naruto series as a whole, this thread was instigated by certain comments I read today

anyway if you disagree I'm totally ok with that, i fact I expect it because this is a Naruto forum

Loll honestly I don't think he should review Naruto because he doesn't seem to enjoy it. But in this particular chapter he said nothing wrong honestly

How I view Naruto-Naruto and Rock Lee are very similar. They are all about defying destiny through hardwork bro. Come to find out 400 chapters later Naruto was destined to be the child of phrophecy. That undermines the whole point of the show bro and there is no way around it

How I view Luffy-Luffy wants to be the PK no matter what and he's going to work hard toward it an beat everyone in his way. It basically his dream What would make OP bullshit to me if only D's could get the OP. That would undermine Luffy's character and the main theme of "dreams" in OP because that would mean him an a sective few was destined to be PK and no one else dream to be PK mattered.

There are themes in shows set from the begining that writers can't deviate from. If they deviate from it I don't care I call it out whether its Oda or Kishi

I agree with some things here. I guess Kishi chose to change things up a bit. But yeah I get what you're saying.

It's not an explanation when you come up with it on the spot, that's just bad writing.

If someone needs to be revived, let's make up a new jutsu or a scroll, done !

I would be fine with it if he foreshadowed that a bit more. The only thing he foreshadowed was the death god sacrifices couldn't be brought back.

But wait, he also cheated on that. So yeah, very impressive writing by Kishimoto here. Definitely not warrants a thread like this which even assumes that it is better than OP in this aspect

The problem is if something is foreshadowed, like Obito being Tobi, everyone sees it coming and says that was obvious and the story has no real twists and stuff. And you're going off topic. You're starting to compare the plot and twists of the two stories. Not intended.

 

[SSS12]

You mean the logic of making a villian and not knowing how to kill him because you gave him a bullshit powerup everyweek. That is what I call bad writing. The first thing you do when you make a villian is decide on there weakness an how to beat them.

Oda is a way better writer than Kishi bro just live with it an move on. OP has no plot holes and Naruto is loaded and thats what it comes down too

OP has no plotholes? You're kidding right?

 

[hixa kuogame]

You mean the logic of making a villian and not knowing how to kill him because you gave him a bullshit powerup everyweek. That is what I call bad writing. The first thing you do when you make a villian is decide on there weakness an how to beat them.

Oda is a way better writer than Kishi bro just live with it an move on. OP has no plot holes and Naruto is loaded and thats what it comes down too

The whole Garp thing lifting Billions of Tons is a logical Plot Hole meaning the ship would sink with that kind of weight on it.
Jinbe didn't die from having a hole (it was larger than his head) where his heart was supposed to be.
Shanks losing an arm to a relatively small sea king knowing how strong he is, yet Luffy, who's weaker, whoops the ass of massive sea kings easily. Luffy beating sea kings that size easily is bullshit on its own. the fact that sea kings that large can all fit in the ocean is bullshit too.
sooooooo many more.
One Piece may not be full of plotholes but its tons of bullshit.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

The lack of death in One Piece is what makes them so much more significant when they do happen.

 

[Olorin]

OP has no plotholes? You're kidding right?

every story with roughly 700 chapters that ranges across 15-16 years has certain issues, I completely get that but I don't go to the Naruto section to schlep into every bashing Naruto thread, on the other hand every time someone even slightly criticizes OP, even i it is true, the OP haters jump on the wagon and (try) to go all out, so I got pissed and wrote what they attmepted to do, only I did it against Naruto

now go and compare the arguments of the two fanbases in this thread and you'll see that the OP fans (us) actually write replies while the haters just bash and than don't read a post if it's too long

I know Pell surviving is an issue, actually every manga has issues and if doesn't have them it simply isn't long enough (for example DN, but that isn't really that good of an example), but overall naruto has more issues than OP

yes I do consider OP one of the best manga ever written together with Phoenix and Berserk (even if I'm not the biggest fan of Berserk) and the big 3 listed above followed by Monster and 20th century boys

for example in phoenix it's easy to avoid the same kind of issues that Naruto and OP has because they are short and self contained stories, but Naruto and OP span across about 700 chapters and a decade and a half

so no I don't care about these minor issues in OP because they are minor as opposing to naruto who has some big issues right at it's core, but despite that (unlike most fans) I still like it so I don't discuss that about Naruto unless I am pushed, and don't push me any further because if i wanted to write an essay I would but the problem is that it would take waaay too long to do and at the end noone would read it

now if you don't want to write an actual argument gtfo and stop repeating the classics of OP haters like broken records (not directed at the quoted post but at the OP haters)

have a nice day

 

[shon93]

OP has no plotholes? You're kidding right?

You can't logically point to one thing in OP that has affected the plot signifigantly like Naruto

The whole Garp thing lifting Billions of Tons is a logical Plot Hole meaning the ship would sink with that kind of weight on it.
Jinbe didn't die from having a hole (it was larger than his head) where his heart was supposed to be.
Shanks losing an arm to a relatively small sea king knowing how strong he is, yet Luffy, who's weaker, whoops the ass of massive sea kings easily. Luffy beating sea kings that size easily is bullshit on its own. the fact that sea kings that large can all fit in the ocean is bullshit too.
sooooooo many more.
One Piece may not be full of plotholes but its tons of bullshit.

All those things you named are bullshit I agree but they didn't affect the plot. A plot hole is anything that affects the plot or an inconsistencie in the story

Naruto has bullshit stuff like making your last arc about fighting dead people. Also in Naruto chakra doesn't matter anymore. Kakashi should be blind from a long time a ago

 

[hixa kuogame]

You can't logically point to one thing in OP that has affected the plot signifigantly like Naruto



All those things you named are bullshit I agree but they didn't affect the plot. A plot hole is anything that affects the plot or an inconsistencie in the story

Naruto has bullshit stuff like making your last arc about fighting dead people. Also in Naruto chakra doesn't matter anymore. Kakashi should be blind from a long time a ago

How is fighting a technique that brings back dead people bullshit? How does chakra not matter in Naruto anymore if eveyone is running out of it? Kakashi is blind and apparently h's been blind for a while now. not to mention blindness isn't instant.
One piece probably doesn't have major plotholes because it doesn't have a major plot. they do random shit every arc that's usally completely unrelated to the last.
It's definitely a lot of bull shit, like in every chapter.

 

[Olorin]

One piece probably doesn't have major plotholes because it doesn't have a major plot

this is a funny one, usually (in a Narutard-free environment) even the naruto fans admit to OP having the superior plot

 

[SSS12]

every story with roughly 700 chapters that ranges across 15-16 years has certain issues, I completely get that but I don't go to the Naruto section to schlep into every bashing Naruto thread, on the other hand every time someone even slightly criticizes OP, even i it is true, the OP haters jump on the wagon and (try) to go all out, so I got pissed and wrote what they attmepted to do, only I did it against Naruto

now go and compare the arguments of the two fanbases in this thread and you'll see that the OP fans (us) actually write replies while the haters just bash and than don't read a post if it's too long

I know Pell surviving is an issue, actually every manga has issues and if doesn't have them it simply isn't long enough (for example DN, but that isn't really that good of an example), but overall naruto has more issues than OP

yes I do consider OP one of the best manga ever written together with Phoenix and Berserk (even if I'm not the biggest fan of Berserk) and the big 3 listed above followed by Monster and 20th century boys

for example in phoenix it's easy to avoid the same kind of issues that Naruto and OP has because they are short and self contained stories, but Naruto and OP span across about 700 chapters and a decade and a half

so no I don't care about these minor issues in OP because they are minor as opposing to naruto who has some big issues right at it's core, but despite that (unlike most fans) I still like it so I don't discuss that about Naruto unless I am pushed, and don't push me any further because if i wanted to write an essay I would but the problem is that it would take waaay too long to do and at the end noone would read it

now if you don't want to write an actual argument gtfo and stop repeating the classics of OP haters like broken records (not directed at the quoted post but at the OP haters)

have a nice day

Guess you got carried away, huh? Agreed, this is turning into a OP or Naruto hate thread, which was NOT the intention. I just wanted to point out something in OP which would have made it even more epic. As I have said earlier, both mangas have their flaws but I still like them both.

How is fighting a technique that brings back dead people bullshit? How does chakra not matter in Naruto anymore if eveyone is running out of it? Kakashi is blind and apparently h's been blind for a while now. not to mention blindness isn't instant.
One piece probably doesn't have major plotholes because it doesn't have a major plot. they do random shit every arc that's usally completely unrelated to the last.
It's definitely a lot of bull shit, like in every chapter.

If having certain abilities and jutsus was BS so are DF, and there are some pretty strange DFs out there.

Let's not bash the other manga to prove your loyalty to your fav manga. Come on guys.

 

[Hexuze]

How is fighting a technique that brings back dead people bullshit? How does chakra not matter in Naruto anymore if eveyone is running out of it? Kakashi is blind and apparently h's been blind for a while now. not to mention blindness isn't instant.
One piece probably doesn't have major plotholes because it doesn't have a major plot. they do random shit every arc that's usally completely unrelated to the last.
It's definitely a lot of bull shit, like in every chapter.

Cause it completely undermines their whole death, what's the purpose of their death then? You do know that every arc builds upon the plot, right? Kishi has to rip off of HxH just to make his series "good" even then it's still not amazing.

 

[Hori]

One Piece will always be better how about we count the good points of each?