-> Hirashin users lose to EMS Madara

[BloodSeed]

we know jubiimadara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ems madara. we know uchihas chakra pool sucks. he just made a wood clone because he got that hashirama dna in his body. he got powerups after power ups. but what do we see now? a jounin of konoha is dancing with him. dont overrate him

 

[Behemoth55]

I can't see when Kushina used that .

It was a misunderstanding. Kushina used a barrier to keep Kurama in that place.

 

[Behemoth55]

If your talking about Madara owning Tobirama in recent chapter then that bold part is nothing more than pure BS.He has Hashiramas SM and Rinnegan for crying out loud.Madara ain't owning Tobirama in a CQC battle without those two abilities. When it comes to basic skills they are all more or less on par with eachother.

Kokushin aren't an ability of the Rinnegan or Sennin-Mode. And Madara could also sense Hashiramas chakra without SM(does Hashiramas variation even have that ability?)

 

[A v i]

Kokushin aren't an ability of the Rinnegan or Sennin-Mode. And Madara could also sense Hashiramas chakra without SM(does Hashiramas variation even have that ability?)

Really? So SM won't increase your combat skills,people learns SM to get those markings on their face so that they look cool in the battle?:yeah:
Who said that Kyokushin is a Rinnegan ability? My point is that he used Rinnegan to bind Tobirama like he did against Sasuke and where do u think Madara got those black rods? As far as I know EMS Madara can not use them & It is clear as day SM sensing puts any kind of sensor ability into shame.

Rinnegan Madara clearly said that the gap b/w him & senju bro's was too big when he owned Tobirama implying that they are more or less on par with eachother in past.Using current Madara's feats to support EMS Madara is same as giving BM Minato feats to Base Minato.

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

we know jubiimadara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ems madara. we know uchihas chakra pool sucks. he just made a wood clone because he got that hashirama dna in his body. he got powerups after power ups. but what do we see now? a jounin of konoha is dancing with him. dont overrate him

Really Uchiha Chakra pool Suck were'd you get that from lmao

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You for getting the part that Kakashi stating that opening the 8 gates give you power that surpasses the of the gokage? he's doing better then minato,hashirama, or tobirama did for sure don't lose grace.

 

[Behemoth55]

My point is that he used Rinnegan to bind Tobirama like he did against Sasuke and where do u think Madara got those black rods? As far as I know EMS Madara can not use them & It is clear as day SM sensing puts any kind of sensor ability into shame.

Madara used propably Rinbo Hengoku to bind Sasuke, yes. However, Tobirama got just stabbed with Kokushin and lost because of that the ability to forge chakra and it limited also his movements. Tobirama got simply owned, like Sasuke and Naruto too.
The power of the Rinnegan wasn't needed for that.
Yes, The young Madara didn't have Kokushin, but he was still far stronger than Tobirama. Only Hashirama could ever compete with Madara.

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Kokushin is obvious a Jutsu, which base upon the YYR(Yin-Yang-Release=Onmyōton). I'm sure he mastered that because of Hashiramas DNA(physical energy) and his own power(spiritual energy). Yin/Yang
But the Rinnegan itself doesn't have to do with that, as I have said it before.

 

[A v i]

Madara used propably Rinbo Hengoku to bind Sasuke, yes. However, Tobirama got just stabbed with Kokushin and lost because of that the ability to forge chakra and it limited also his movements. Tobirama got simply owned, like Sasuke and Naruto too.
The power of the Rinnegan wasn't needed for that.

I don't get what ur talking about here.Madara used Rinnegan against all 3 of them.

Yes, The young Madara didn't have Kokushin, but he was still far stronger than Tobirama. Only Hashirama could ever compete with Madara.

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He said evenly,that dosen't mean that there were no other shinobi on the same level.Tobirama may not be able to competate with them in an all out battle but his base skills such as taijutsu,kenjutsu and speed(Tobirama is superior) should be on par with them.

Kokushin is obvious a Jutsu, which base upon the YYR(Yin-Yang-Release=Onmyōton). I'm sure he mastered that because of Hashiramas DNA(physical energy) and his own power(spiritual energy). Yin/Yang
But the Rinnegan itself doesn't have to do with that, as I have said it before.

What is Kokushin again? Are u talking about Kyokushin or something else?
I have never said that he need Rinnegan to use it.

 

[Brooks]

This is very well thought out...I'm glade you took the time to make this thread.​

 

[BloodSeed]

Really Uchiha Chakra pool Suck were'd you get that from lmao

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You for getting the part that Kakashi stating that opening the 8 gates give you power that surpasses the of the gokage? he's doing better then minato,hashirama, or tobirama did for sure don't lose grace.

funny thing is madara trained hard lived in the endless battle got full lifetime experience and he is
uchiha<sharingan<mangekyou<eternal mangekyou<renegan<hashirama dna<senjutsu chakra<jubiijin vs 8gates lol madara looks pathetic ive wonder how strong that original madara with EMS is

dont overrate ems madara he is below tobirama. in fact he is afraid to fight hashirama 1v1 that he need a 9tails to 2v1 hashirama lol

 

[Rinnesense]

This is a great thread, Waltz. Apjn920, Rosae, and others, you all came up with excellent counter-arguments that have yet to be truly countered.

 

[KCN]

Doable on Tobirama's behalf as the Senju were granted Stamina; which in turn is the basis of chakra where as the Uchiha were granted Chakra powers and Mental Energy. However, as Namikaze is not of Senju descent he shouldn't be mentioned in this scenario. He himself deemed Obito's ability to control the Kyuubi an incredible feat as it take's a great toll to control the Kyuubi. Judging by the size of Madara's Katon Jutsu, it isn't farfetched to say that his chakra pools are highly notable but in the end may be triumphed by those of Senju Descent. I'll agree to your second point that it lies in uncertainty.

As for the third: Minato's and Tobirama's abilities do not deny the fact that they have no counter to Mangekyo Genjutsu, if faced with it directly. ​

"Chakura" isn't "Energy" but rather then molding of two energies. Inton/Spiritual Energy/Yin Energy is one of the two foundation energies upon which Chakra is formed.

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I'm not seeing where you're getting an alternate interpretation; is it possible that you could detail your thoughts? How does Yin equate to Chakra? How does this differ from the Yin which is molded within individuals..? ​

I will agree that Bogard brought one of the most convincing arguments thus far but it is indubitably a failure on your behalf to say that his post "ended" my thread when it is entirely subjective.

My advise to you is: Don't wank unless you're aware of what you're wankin'. ​

not wanking, as it is the absolute truth. 90% of ur thread is centered around whether or not the hiraishin users can teleport susanoo and bogard proved exactly why they can. ur thread flopped.

 

[Ovan]

I think the jutsu didn't work is because Madara is a freaking blood thirsty warrior. Madara not a ninja anymore, he a monster that has fun when he gets war wounds.

 

[Behemoth55]

I don't get what ur talking about here.Madara used Rinnegan against all 3 of them.

The Rinnegan was active, sure. But Madara didn't use a Dōjutsu with it(except for Rinbo Hengoku in Sasukes case)

What is Kokushin again? Are u talking about Kyokushin or something else?

Kokushin/Kuroibō:

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[TrollingSage]

Madara used propably Rinbo Hengoku to bind Sasuke, yes. However, Tobirama got just stabbed with Kokushin and lost because of that the ability to forge chakra and it limited also his movements. Tobirama got simply owned, like Sasuke and Naruto too.
The power of the Rinnegan wasn't needed for that.
Yes, The young Madara didn't have Kokushin, but he was still far stronger than Tobirama. Only Hashirama could ever compete with Madara.

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Kokushin is obvious a Jutsu, which base upon the YYR(Yin-Yang-Release=Onmyōton). I'm sure he mastered that because of Hashiramas DNA(physical energy) and his own power(spiritual energy). Yin/Yang
But the Rinnegan itself doesn't have to do with that, as I have said it before.

I love how you pass your own biased opinions as fact. Obito could use it , Nagato could use it and now Madara is using it. What do those 3 have in common? Oh thats right the rinnegan

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

funny thing is madara trained hard lived in the endless battle got full lifetime experience and he is
uchiha<sharingan<mangekyou<eternal mangekyou<renegan<hashirama dna<senjutsu chakra<jubiijin vs 8gates lol madara looks pathetic ive wonder how strong that original madara with EMS is

dont overrate ems madara he is below tobirama. in fact he is afraid to fight hashirama 1v1 that he need a 9tails to 2v1 hashirama lol

Please tell me how chopping off Sage Mode Minato arms kicking him out of sage mode, Defeating edo Tobirama & edo Hashirama spanking 9 tailed beast beating the two top Jin ,whipping out a platoons of the SA smashing out the 5 kages a bad look lmao XD you on the pepper

 

[Behemoth55]

I love how you pass your own biased opinions as fact. Obito could use it , Nagato could use it and now Madara is using it. What do those 3 have in common? Oh thats right the rinnegan

Nagato coudn't create Kokushin of his own(Obito prepared his Rikudo no Jutsu) and Obito could do it without Rinnegan.

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Ba Dum Tss

 

[TrollingSage]

Nagato coudn't create Kokushin of his own and Obito could do it without Rinnegan.

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Ba Dum Tss

Koushin? You mean the black rods? I dont see any black rods there. If it's another jutsu then my bad.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

I guess this should've been obvious, although I agree with the main point, I'm just going to point out the statements I consider baseless.​

-> No hirashin user maintain chakra pools that could rival Madara's and would simply be outlasted.

Inaccurate statement due to these reasons:

i) Tobirama as a Senju, should have massive chakra pools. Broke a wall with touch, lasted longer than Minato.
ii) ET Minato is still a Hiraishin user, who has Kurama. Even if you give Kurama to Madara, Madara's chakrapool would increase by nil, while Minato has theoretically KCM.

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If Susano'o is removed from the user via Hirashin in no way secures victory as it can be effortlessly replenished.

Legitimate. However, seeing the speed of Hiraishin users it doesn't mean he can activate it again in that instant.​

However at this point, it still remains intangible but gains destructibility and a physical form as Yōton is supplied. Once it is no longer being nourished by Yōton energy, the remaining Inton accordingly evaporates into nothingness. Alternately, if the Hirashin user decides to use a Hirashin-Kunai; Susano'o could remain intangible to allow the Kunai to pass right through.

The first part is correct. Inton as spiritual energy, is intangible. After nourished with Yōton, it gains access to physical form - which is true.

Second part, not entirely. Although Susano'o has shown to be able to deactivate it's Yōton canal, I have never seen it activated it again. In your scan, Madara used a Susano'o Bunshin, which used Mokuton Bunshin as a medium. Now here's couple things I wish to clarify ->

i) EMS Madara has no access to any Bunshin in canon.
ii) Using this strategy without Bunshin is suicide. Susano'o is used as an armor. In this strategy, he straps himself off of it (to be more precise, he turn it intangible). He would be an easy target.​

 

[Behemoth55]

Koushin? You mean the black rods? I dont see any black rods there. If it's another jutsu then my bad.

The name of the black rods is Kokushin/Kuroibō. Obito used in chapter 605 these rods instinctive after he awoke the Mangekyo Sharingan.

 

[Minator93]

6 pages and no dance about "Chakra Link + Hiraishin Goshun Mawashi" augmented by Shadow Clones?

I hoped at least one of you could dance.