Itachi is not on Nagato's level

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You're absolutely correct. I've provided you with the manga scan where Itachi clearly defeats Nagato. All your arguments are your fantasies and assumptions, which can indeed be called fanfiction.

Yeah, you're right. Not gonna lie, I am a bit biased here because Nagato is one of my favorites. So that's where I'm coming from. I still think he's crazy strong and it better circumstances for both, it'd make for a really good one-on-one.
 

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Yeah, you're right. Not gonna lie, I am a bit biased here because Nagato is one of my favorites. So that's where I'm coming from. I still think he's crazy strong and it better circumsances for both, it'd make for a really good one-on-one.

I'm still mad not only he didn't kill naruto, he also revived all his enemies.
 

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To like end this senseless debate, that jutsu that Itachi copied from kabuto you know the one that would blind any rinnegan user buys Itachi enough time to slice him with sasunoo forget totska blade, & if I'm not mistaken it has a sound to it to, we know how well Pein did against jaraiyas sound jutsu
 

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That's actually a real good point that I haven't seen mentioned. Kudos!

Thanks. My point is that he is strong but lacks speed. Plus he relys too much on the rinnegan. Its like changeing channels with a remote, why bother get up to manually change it on the tv. He doesnt really dodge anything. He just absorbs stuff or revives who ever takes the hit. Itachi would demolish his whole crew with speed, intellectual, and his powerful arsenal.
 

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You're absolutely correct. I've provided you with the manga scan where Itachi clearly defeats Nagato. All your arguments are your fantasies and assumptions, which can indeed be called fanfiction.

Its also fan fiction to say Itachi beat Nagato, when it was clearly a team effort. It must be so rewarding to see a "controlled" by a ninja that didnt know hot to use nagato with no mobility getting stabbed by Totsuka Blade. Which I might add isn't a power he was born with either.
 

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I'm still mad not only he didn't kill naruto, he also revived all his enemies.

It's a Shonen series with both Nagato and Naruto having the same teacher preaching peace and love. That's not too surprising. Sure, it would have made for a crazy twist for Nagato to saw "eff it!" and kill off Naruto and take over it all. But then the series would be done with a huge lack of closure and lots of lose ends, and a abrupt ending to such a built up story.
 

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To like end this senseless debate, that jutsu that Itachi copied from kabuto you know the one that would blind any rinnegan user buys Itachi enough time to slice him with sasunoo forget totska blade, & if I'm not mistaken it has a sound to it to, we know how well Pein did against jaraiyas sound jutsu

I don't like debate, I simply read as it is. I wanted madara beat hashirama, but his weak ass just have to lose to hashirama even after getting ems
 

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IMO Nagato is stronger then Itachi
however in terms of intelligence, Itachi gat this 8)
i do still think Nagato would win if they fought, but people are really just discrediting Itachi,
he would probably make a plan, but lack in terms of the strength to pull it off, like when he collapsed like when he fought with sausage.
 

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Itachi's Visual Prowess are no child's play .. with the amaterasu .. susano and tsukyoumi and his remarkable intelligence he can put up an awesome fight with nagato .. saying that hez juxt not on nagatos level isn't fair .. I think itachi could be equal to nagato if he possessed the eternal mangekyou
 

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Thanks. My point is that he is strong but lacks speed. Plus he relys too much on the rinnegan. Its like changeing channels with a remote, why bother get up to manually change it on the tv. He doesnt really dodge anything. He just absorbs stuff or revives who ever takes the hit. Itachi would demolish his whole crew with speed, intellectual, and his powerful arsenal.

Too bad that stamina wont let him do that. Dat mediocre stamina is a bish aint it?
 

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IMO Nagato is stronger then Itachi
however in terms of intelligence, Itachi gat this 8)
i do still think Nagato would win if they fought, but people are really just discrediting Itachi,
he would probably make a plan, but lack in terms of the strength to pull it off, like when he collapsed like when he fought with sausage.
sausage????????
 

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did you really have to make a thread about this ?? isn't it obvious (everything from their arsenal to how the events went down suggests that Nagato is superior).
 

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Itachi's Visual Prowess are no child's play .. with the amaterasu .. susano and tsukyoumi and his remarkable intelligence he can put up an awesome fight with nagato .. saying that hez juxt not on nagatos level isn't fair .. I think itachi could be equal to nagato if he possessed the eternal mangekyou

Without ems med diff. With ems low diff. Brains over Brauns. Shikamaru can probably think of a plan to beat nagato too but he just cant pull it off. That being said. ITACHI has both brains and brauns. Nagato has brauns but not that much higher than itachi. 2 is better than 1.
 

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Too bad that stamina wont let him do that. Dat mediocre stamina is a bish aint it?

Stamina is a joke developed by Kishi. Look at Kakashi. Lol dude should have died during the fight with the 7 swordsmen or shortly after saving naruto.
 

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Healthy Nagato beats Healthy Itachi

But considering that he was so nerfed when they were alive, I actually consider these two characters to be equal in a sense, it just looked like Kishimoto was trying to portray that.

-He had to shinra tensei amaterasu and it did hurt him. But then again Kabuto was controlling him at the time, so Nagato can definitely handle it.

-Neither Yata nor Totsuka can be absorbed, considering that they are spiritual entities not made of chakra. Only susanno can be absorbed, but we also know that these weapons don't even have to be attached to susanno to be used, hence why Orochimaru desired them for himself. Kabuto also knew this, that's why he didn't bother having Nagato absorb Totsuka when it pierced him. It would do nothing.

-No. Nagato is still susceptible to Izanami (he thought he was a god), Kotoamatsukami, and Tsukiyomi, all of which are more potent than frog song. The claim that rinnegan is immuned to any genjutsu from sharingan users is completely baseless. In fact, having a higher dojoutsu does not make you immuned to genjutsu from lower dojutsu, this was even proven by Zetsu when he stated that Sasuke (3-tomoe) would have a slim chance at genjutsuing Itachi (Mangekyo sharingan). Those 3 genjutsu are harming Nagato if Itachi manages to pull them off.

-It doesn't matter if the animal summons' turn invisible, considering that Itachi has the sharingan and can see chakra. Nagato is crippled which is a huge disadvantage, the animal summons' are not very fast and Itachi even blinded all of them using a simple shuriken jutsu.

-Shukaku Nara also stated that Itachi is the only shinobi capable of manipulating people w/ genjutsu out of a sensor's range, which renders the fact that Nagato is a sensor useless.

-Apparently he cannot just bansho tenin Itachi's eyes out, considering that Kabuto didn't have Nagato do this back when they were Edos.

-Shinra tensei and the rest of Nagato's attacks also have a time limit which is 5 minutes. If he uses a large scale attack he's vulnerable for that amount of time. Also, Itachi can deflect all of Nagato's attacks with Yata Mirror, so why would you even state this?

-Yata Mirror>Asura rockets and laser beams

Nagato stated that someone who is in the top 20 like Jiraiya would have defeated him if he knew his secret. Why? Because Nagato is in no condition to fight by himself when he was alive. At the Leaf, Konan had to be his bodyguard and that is why the paths do the work for him. He is crippled and can hardly move due to the strain the rinnegan put on his body. If Jiraiya knew his secret, when he held up the paths with that Frog Song genjutsu, he would have gone directly to where the real Nagato was and easily killed him. Also, the paths have shared vision, so if Itachi used Tsukiyomi, Kotoamatsukami, or Izanami on them, wouldn't they all be affected? lol. Itachi even knew Nagato's secret and would defeat Nagato w/ that intel.

Alive Itachi and Alive Nagato as we saw them were equal according to Kishi's portrayal(Nagato was seriously nerfed. Couldn't even fight on his own and had to use the paths. In a fight though, Itachi has a good chance of winning due to knowing his secret, but it could go either way. Nagato said that Jiraiya would have won if he knew his secret so I would give this to Itachi, extremely high diff)

Edo Itachi>Edo Nagato because Edo Nagato has no sealing techs for Edo Tenseis

Healthy Alive Nagato>>>>Healthy Alive Itachi for very obvious reasons.
 

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If one thinks that the Yata Mirror and Totsuka blade are stolen power, then I guess that kunai are a type of stolen power as well.
Yata and Totsuka are weapons. Itachi added them to his arsenal, big whoop. It's not as if it's on the level of taking someone else's power and physically adding it to themselves & then relying 100% only on that to the extent of which you're fodder w/o it. Nagato's rinnegan is essentially a stolen power and not comparable w/ Itachi adding two weapons to his arsenal. Is this necessarily a bad thing? No, not at all. I just thought I'd put this out there. U_U
 

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Healthy Nagato beats Healthy Itachi

But considering that he was so nerfed when they were alive, I actually consider these two characters to be equal in a sense, it just looked like Kishimoto was trying to portray that.

-He had to shinra tensei amaterasu and it did hurt him. But then again Kabuto was controlling him at the time, so Nagato can definitely handle it.

-Neither Yata nor Totsuka can be absorbed, considering that they are spiritual entities not made of chakra. Only susanno can be absorbed, but we also know that these weapons don't even have to be attached to susanno to be used, hence why Orochimaru desired them for himself. Kabuto also knew this, that's why he didn't bother having Nagato absorb Totsuka when it pierced him. It would do nothing.

-No. Nagato is still susceptible to Izanami (he thought he was a god), Kotoamatsukami, and Tsukiyomi, all of which are more potent than frog song. The claim that rinnegan is immuned to any genjutsu from sharingan users is completely baseless. In fact, having a higher dojoutsu does not make you immuned to genjutsu from lower dojutsu, this was even proven by Zetsu when he stated that Sasuke (3-tomoe) would have a slim chance at genjutsuing Itachi (Mangekyo sharingan). Those 3 genjutsu are harming Nagato if Itachi manages to pull them off.

-It doesn't matter if the animal summons' turn invisible, considering that Itachi has the sharingan and can see chakra. Nagato is crippled which is a huge disadvantage, the animal summons' are not very fast and Itachi even blinded all of them using a simple shuriken jutsu.

-Shukaku Nara also stated that Itachi is the only shinobi capable of manipulating people w/ genjutsu out of a sensor's range, which renders the fact that Nagato is a sensor useless.

-Apparently he cannot just bansho tenin Itachi's eyes out, considering that Kabuto didn't have Nagato do this back when they were Edos.

-Shinra tensei and the rest of Nagato's attacks also have a time limit which is 5 minutes. If he uses a large scale attack he's vulnerable for that amount of time. Also, Itachi can deflect all of Nagato's attacks with Yata Mirror, so why would you even state this?

-Yata Mirror>Asura rockets and laser beams

Nagato stated that someone who is in the top 20 like Jiraiya would have defeated him if he knew his secret. Why? Because Nagato is in no condition to fight by himself when he was alive. At the Leaf, Konan had to be his bodyguard and that is why the paths do the work for him. He is crippled and can hardly move due to the strain the rinnegan put on his body. If Jiraiya knew his secret, when he held up the paths with that Frog Song genjutsu, he would have gone directly to where the real Nagato was and easily killed him. Also, the paths have shared vision, so if Itachi used Tsukiyomi, Kotoamatsukami, or Izanami on them, wouldn't they all be affected? lol. Itachi even knew Nagato's secret and would defeat Nagato w/ that intel.

Alive Itachi and Alive Nagato as we saw them were equal according to Kishi's portrayal(Nagato was seriously nerfed. Couldn't even fight on his own and had to use the paths. In a fight though, Itachi has a good chance of winning due to knowing his secret, but it could go either way. Nagato said that Jiraiya would have won if he knew his secret so I would give this to Itachi, extremely high diff)

Edo Itachi>Edo Nagato because Edo Nagato has no sealing techs for Edo Tenseis

Healthy Alive Nagato>>>>Healthy Alive Itachi for very obvious reasons.

Do you really believe jiraiya can win?? He got solo by half kumura, while pain go head on to capture a full tails
 

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Itachi beated nagato(naruto and bee help obviously was not needed)
Itachi countered all nagato jutsu
That was Edo Nagato and Naruto and Bee were needed alot

OT: Any form of Nagato is stronger then Itachi
 
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