Obito ( Rinnegan ) vs BM Minato?

[Sennin of Logic]

Uh, no, they were equal in power.

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The TBBs are the exact same size. On top of that, if Naruto's were weaker, then the biju's force would overcome it, and the opposite result would happen and it'd hit the ground.




Actually, you're not thinking hard enough. Think about it in these terms. Could 7 shadow clones of Naruto beat SM Naruto just because they outnumber him? Of course not. BSM puts Naruto leagues above even 7 biju.

1. What point are you trying to make?

Hacibi suggested that he stopped taking chakra from Naruto, which proves my point.

2. Comparing kcm naruto so speed Bm naruto's speed?

What an amateur post:

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It requires hefty amount of chakra because he was controlling Gedo too, regardless it didn't faze Obito because he choose to use the six bodies justus like this:

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So kakakashi's assumptions<<<<<Obito's reason why...


3. Gosh the bullsh*t, kcm is a different state then BM...

BM can't preform seals, they're in beast transformation.

Even this proves it:

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You making up petty fan-fiction pic is sad, especially the fact that Obito who is uchiha/senju was taught these techniques:

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Mening shrina tensei, ct, and all the six path justus including omyoudon, but of course you wouldn't believe it until you see him using it.

So, unless I see BM Minato using FTG, your retort is invalid... :|

4. Getting rid of this FTG hypothetical once and for all...

All of ftg kunai and markings get blown out by this:

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1. This means that Kurama did take away chakra from Naruto.


2. What a complete misunderstanding of a post. The point is, Naruto is not as skilled as Minato in body flicker, meaning BM Minato would be better.

Um....... what the heck are you even trying to say? Kakashi stated that it takes too much chakra to control the beasts, and Obito confirmed this. Don't know why you brought up the edo jinchuriki, but you're right if you think it doesn't require effort to control them in human form, but biju form is a different story.


3. FTG doesn't require seals in the first place lol. Unless you're saying he can't use ninjutsu in general, but that's ludicrous since in the scan you just showed, he's using ransengan. Worse case scenario, Minato creates a shadow clone to teleport him around. If you're referencing Tobirama teleporting them, it's because it was Tobirama's mark on Obito. Minato can't teleport to Tobirama's mark and vice versa unless that make a chakra connection with each other.


I never stated Obito never had the 6 paths jutsu, but it's not going to enable him to win. He's also not going to be able to use them with the bijus.


4. All this does is knock the marks away, which would actually benefit Minato since he'll then have long-distance escape routes. Remember, unless the marks are completely destroyed, Minato can teleport to them. This means that knocking them out of the ground is pointless. Also, it doesn't prevent Minato from redirecting their attacks back at them. All Minato has to do is throw a kunai to their feat and then use FTG to teleport their attacks back.

Nope, I'm perfectly logical about this, it's you that needs to think things through.

 

[VongolaX]

1. This means that Kurama did take away chakra from Naruto.


2. What a complete misunderstanding of a post. The point is, Naruto is not as skilled as Minato in body flicker, meaning BM Minato would be better.

Um....... what the heck are you even trying to say? Kakashi stated that it takes too much chakra to control the beasts, and Obito confirmed this. Don't know why you brought up the edo jinchuriki, but you're right if you think it doesn't require effort to control them in human form, but biju form is a different story.


3. FTG doesn't require seals in the first place lol. Unless you're saying he can't use ninjutsu in general, but that's ludicrous since in the scan you just showed, he's using ransengan. Worse case scenario, Minato creates a shadow clone to teleport him around. If you're referencing Tobirama teleporting them, it's because it was Tobirama's mark on Obito. Minato can't teleport to Tobirama's mark and vice versa unless that make a chakra connection with each other.


I never stated Obito never had the 6 paths jutsu, but it's not going to enable him to win. He's also not going to be able to use them with the bijus.


4. All this does is knock the marks away, which would actually benefit Minato since he'll then have long-distance escape routes. Remember, unless the marks are completely destroyed, Minato can teleport to them. This means that knocking them out of the ground is pointless. Also, it doesn't prevent Minato from redirecting their attacks back at them. All Minato has to do is throw a kunai to their feat and then use FTG to teleport their attacks back.

Nope, I'm perfectly logical about this, it's you that needs to think things through.

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1. Uh no

2. Kakashi perceived that BM naruto, being as fast (generally around Minato's level).

Kakashi assumed that Obito didn't use the six path justus because it took a hefty amount of chakra, while Obito in my scan said he adjusted it to his liking.

3. Obito can just not use the bijuus and fight Minato with the six path justus, ending the fight on a one on one pretty fast.

Never posted he can't use ninjustus, I wrote down that Bijuus can't use seals (hand seals) whic ftg is required.

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Rasengan is just a ball of chakra which requires no seals, and Tobirama was they're mean of transportation towards Obito.

Minato already marked Obito too, soooo:

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Read up, will ya...

4.No, the gedo not only knocks the kunai knives...

It also knocks away minato across the border to his terminal velocity if he comes within contact.

Now we all know that Obito's intangibility kumai is faster than any form of Minato's ftg:

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[Sennin of Logic]

1. Uh no

2. Kakashi perceived that BM naruto, being as fast (generally around Minato's level).

Kakashi assumed that Obito didn't use the six path justus because it took a hefty amount of chakra, while Obito in my scan said he adjusted it to his liking.

3. Never posted he can't use ninjustus, I wrote down that Bijuus can't use seals (hand seals) whic ftg is required.

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Rasengan is just a ball of chakra which requires no seals, and Tobirama was they're mean of transportation towards Obito.

Minato already marked Obito too, soooo:

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Read up, will ya...

4.No, the gedo not only knocks the kunai knives...

It also knocks away minato across the border to his terminal velocity if he comes within contact.

Now we all know that Obito's intangibility kumai is faster than any form of Minato's ftg:

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1. Whatever, the fact that Naruto never had that bad of a stamina issue again proves my point anyway.

2. Really?! then that means base Minato alone equals BM Naruto, and that he's the fastest character in BM. He said he adjusted the bodies to his liking in reference to the sharingan and rinnegan. He stated that Kakashi made a briliant observation, in other words, he was right. Thank you for making my job so much easier!(sorry, I just can't suppress the urge to make fun of that one, if you think about it, I'm doing you a favor, because otherwise, you're essentially making your argument committing suicide.)

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3. That confused a lot of members on the base, but no, it does not require hand signs. It's just some weird crap Kishimoto did. Why am I saying this? Because Tobirama used both hands to grab the 2 9 tails to use FTG. In other words, no hand signs. No hand signs for FTG when Minato fought Obito either.

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Though this is all pointless since, although a biju can't do hand signs, the jinchuriki inside of it can. Example, Naruto.

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4. KCM alone enabled Naruto to survive much worse.

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As for Kamui vs FTG, nope. Obito did this first.

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Obito reclaimed a chunk of the sage's power, and possibly SM. Clearly showing that he was enhanced.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Now FTG can't be performed without hand signs wow, just wow.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

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So, what your saying is that Minato wins, as long as Obito has been impaled before the battle.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Minato's time limit in BM is 5 minutes. Obito can stay intangible for 5 minutes, or teleport away from Minato for the 5 minutes untill he runs out of BM. Then the bijuu Stomp on him.

 

[VongolaX]

1. Whatever, the fact that Naruto never had that bad of a stamina issue again proves my point anyway.

Ya, okay

2. Really?! then that means base Minato alone equals BM Naruto, and that he's the fastest character in BM. He said he adjusted the bodies to his liking in reference to the sharingan and rinnegan. He stated that Kakashi made a briliant observation, in other words, he was right. Thank you for making my job so much easier!(sorry, I just can't suppress the urge to make fun of that one, if you think about it, I'm doing you a favor, because otherwise, you're essentially making your argument committing suicide.)

No, He adjusted the six path bodies to use bijuu powers alone and no six paths justus.

If he tried to kill and not capture, they would of died within seconds.

It's funny how you can't properly interpret any of what is going on, it's pathetic.

Even Obito beat BM naruto in terms of speed, they needed kakashi to use kumai to catch up (which I posted in the first scan with the kuami chakra rod).

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3. That confused a lot of members on the base, but no, it does not require hand signs. It's just some weird crap Kishimoto did. Why am I saying this? Because Tobirama used both hands to grab the 2 9 tails to use FTG. In other words, no hand signs. No hand signs for FTG when Minato fought Obito either.

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You and your Fan-fiction

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Though this is all pointless since, although a biju can't do hand signs, the jinchuriki inside of it can. Example, Naruto.

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4. KCM alone enabled Naruto to survive much worse.

That's not kcm naruto, that is BM naruto and the shield went down.

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As for Kamui vs FTG, nope. Obito did this first.

What?

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Obito reclaimed a chunk of the sage's power, and possibly SM. Clearly showing that he was enhanced.[

Sage body doesn't enhance kamui speed, your just assuming again.

 

[iNotorious]

1. Whatever, the fact that Naruto never had that bad of a stamina issue again proves my point anyway.

2. Really?! then that means base Minato alone equals BM Naruto, and that he's the fastest character in BM. He said he adjusted the bodies to his liking in reference to the sharingan and rinnegan. He stated that Kakashi made a briliant observation, in other words, he was right. Thank you for making my job so much easier!(sorry, I just can't suppress the urge to make fun of that one, if you think about it, I'm doing you a favor, because otherwise, you're essentially making your argument committing suicide.)

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3. That confused a lot of members on the base, but no, it does not require hand signs. It's just some weird crap Kishimoto did. Why am I saying this? Because Tobirama used both hands to grab the 2 9 tails to use FTG. In other words, no hand signs. No hand signs for FTG when Minato fought Obito either.

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Though this is all pointless since, although a biju can't do hand signs, the jinchuriki inside of it can. Example, Naruto.

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4. KCM alone enabled Naruto to survive much worse.

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As for Kamui vs FTG, nope. Obito did this first.

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Obito reclaimed a chunk of the sage's power, and possibly SM. Clearly showing that he was enhanced.

The manga viz scans of last panels

Obito says: ''If i try to teleport He'll come after me.... My transfer speed's too slow...''

Madara says: ''Since you'd been in sage mode once.... you were able to steal some sage power from me too, eh...''

Meaning 10 tails juubi.

 

[Draphsin]

This is an easy win for obito.

Paths can easily induce BM, & once it's activated he can warp inside the kurama avatar & restrain minato via multiple rods.

 

[VongolaX]

This is an easy win for obito.

Paths can easily induce BM, & once it's activated he can warp inside the kurama avatar & restrain minato via multiple rods.

Once minato transform, he is doomed for a giant kamui stakes (like Hachibi).

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Once minato transform, he is doomed for a giant kamui stakes (like Hachibi).

Doesn't work because of space-time barrier.

 

[VongolaX]

Doesn't work because of space-time barrier.

Space time barrier requires seals

Which Minato never proven to do for that matter.

Perfect Inzanagi would spell death for Minato as well.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Space time barrier requires seals

Which Minato never proven to do for that matter.

Perfect Inzanagi would spell death for Minato as well.

Jinchurikis can use hand signs while in biju mode.

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[VongolaX]

Jinchurikis can use hand signs while in biju mode.

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Only Naruto can, no one else has shown such feat.

Not even bee

 

[KidGamer65]

This is an easy win for obito.

Paths can easily induce BM, & once it's activated he can warp inside the kurama avatar & restrain minato via multiple rods.

If Obito does this, Minato's clone kills him when he becomes tangible to release the rods. The only thing this is, is an easy way to get Obito killed.

Only Naruto can, no one else has shown such feat.

Not even bee

Lol, stop. Naruto retains his human form while in Bijuu Mode, just like Minato. That's why hand signs are possible...so Minato can do the same exact thing.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Only Naruto can, no one else has shown such feat.

Not even bee

Not even Bee?

Ok so we are going to nicpick which Buijuu's can use handseals?

Sure, only 1-tail[

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] and Kurama can do it, since it makes so much sense that they can other then any other Buijuu that has hands.

Come on man

 

[Draphsin]

If Obito does this, Minato's clone kills him when he becomes tangible to release the rods. The only thing this is, is an easy way to get Obito killed.

Obito can warp into the avatar with the rods in hand, & activate the seal as he enters.

Can minato even maintain clones in BM, don't remember him being able to do so.

If obito warps into one of the nine tails then minato won't notice until obito is tangible, when his chakra is then able to be sensed. Assuming minato can maintain clones in BM, then they wouldn't know where obito is until he enters the avatar & if minato can counterattack then he becomes intangible, but minato still has to deal with the bijuu attacking from the other direction.

 

[VongolaX]

Not even Bee?

Ok so we are going to nicpick which Buijuu's can use handseals?

Sure, only 1-tail[

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] and Kurama can do it, since it makes so much sense that they can other then any other Buijuu that has hands.

Come on man

Wasn't he just charging his chakra?

 

[VongolaX]

If Obito does this, Minato's clone kills him when he becomes tangible to release the rods. The only thing this is, is an easy way to get Obito killed.



Lol, stop. Naruto retains his human form while in Bijuu Mode, just like Minato. That's why hand signs are possible...so Minato can do the same exact thing.

Lol, no :|

Need a scan of it first, otherwise I can post that Chibakui tensei ends this.

 

[Ababeel]

Those argument about Minsto not being able to use his jutsus while in BM are really dumb. :|
not sure why people talk those posters seriously. :|