Obito ( Rinnegan ) vs BM Minato?

[KidGamer65]

Untrue, the rods bind anything that's touching them, he doesn't need to impale minato because the avatar will already be touching the rod & he'll be bound before he can revert back.

Then Minato has to be touched for them to bind him, they aren't going to bind the Kurama Avatar as they are inside the avatar itself. If he wants to bind the Avatar, he needs to first impale the avatar with the rod.

-If he wants to bind the avatar, he attacks fro outside.

-If he wants to bind Minato

I hope you don't think the rods will magically activate inside of the avatar and then stretch outward to bind the Avatar.......

I'm not saying he can't use clones anymore, we've never seen such a feat from minato in BM. BM could be his full power, which means he can't afford to split his chakra up any further, it may restrict his use of BM if he does so. It's like saying edo madara can create 25 mokuton bunshins while in PS. We don't know if either of them can do these things because we don't know if they can maintain clones while using such powerful forms.

I see your point, but its invalid. Comparing this to Edo Madara doesn't work since we are talking about Minato, who has Yin Kurama on his side, and he's only making one clone. Edo Madara is making 25.

Naruto's situation is different because miltiple clones have been in his arsenal since childhood & he's an uzumaki which gives him more chakra to work with from the get go.

lol, no, its not different. Naruto and Minato's base chakra levels barely matter here. They are both drawing off of half of Kurama's power, both Kurama's hand them chakra to enter Bijuu Mode with every time they want to enter it, yet Naruto can use 6-7 clones while using the Kurama Avatar but Minato can't even make 1? Lol.

Obito is tangible in his dimension when warping to the real world, so he can't be hit while warping in. Minato won't notice him, I'm assuming you think he'll feel the warp itself but that's untrue, why don't sensor's ever feel the warp? They just feel his chakra disappearing then appearing again, they never notice the wormhole that obito creates beforehand. Obito is completely unreadable until he enters the dimension completely so minato won't feel him until he's there.

Even if that is true, the moment his warp is over and he's fully entered the dimension, he'll be felt for that very brief time between him warping in and then him becoming intangible, so Minato will still know where he is regardless.

Assuming he can even use clones in conjunction with BM. & I know he doesn't warp in already intangible but during the warp he can't be read or hit. Obviously he can be hit from the dimension because that's where he's teleporting from but minato's clones won't notice obito's presence in the real world until it's too late.

Until its too late?

-If Obito warps in out of Minato's view, he'll be sensed before he becomes intangible/

-If he warps in Minato's view, it still doesn't matter as he needs to be tangible to attack him, and if he becomes tangible, he gets killed.

& We can bypass this entire warp controversy completely, obito can just as easily enter the avatar through its foot, no need to warp in he can just travel underground instead. This way there is absolutely no chance that minato & his possible clones can notice him then.

The Avatar is transparent. If Obito is floating up the foot of this thing, they will obviously be able to see him.

If Obito enters from the foot, how is he going to reach Minato without teleportation anyway? Last time I checked he couldn't fly, and I'm pretty sure you can't walk, run or jump when inside a giant mass of chakra.

Fair enough but I still don't see minato being able to use clones while in BM.

Which is based on nothing but the fact that there is a possibility of such a case occurring for someone else, who made many more clones and has less chakra. :|

 

[VongolaX]

The tbbs get flung right back at them via S/T barrier.

making up feats for transformed bijuu mode Minato?

Alright, Obito has everyone of his bijuus use kaumi :|

 

[BenjerminGaye]

making up feats for transformed bijuu mode Minato?

Alright, Obito has everyone of his bijuus use kaumi :|

No one is making up feats.
He makes the clone in base.
Then goes bm. Simple.

Don't be but hurt about this.

 

[Draphsin]

Then Minato has to be touched for them to bind him, they aren't going to bind the Kurama Avatar as they are inside the avatar itself. If he wants to bind the Avatar, he needs to first impale the avatar with the rod.

-If he wants to bind the avatar, he attacks fro outside.

-If he wants to bind Minato

I hope you don't think the rods will magically activate inside of the avatar and then stretch outward to bind the Avatar.......

Obito doesnt need to impale the avatar or attack from outside, the point of impaling something with the rods is to make contact, then once contact is made the seal can activate. If obito is inside of kurama, then he's touching it which means all he has to do is activate the seal.

Lol So yes the rods would activate inside of the avatar, there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to.

Here naruto almost got bound from simply grabbing the rods with his chakra tails, [

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] if obito already has them inside minato's chakra then what's the difference between that & impaling?

I see your point, but its invalid. Comparing this to Edo Madara doesn't work since we are talking about Minato, who has Yin Kurama on his side, and he's only making one clone. Edo Madara is making 25.

But my point still stands, we don't exactly know the limits to minato's power, we've seen him in BM but we have no idea if he can afford to split his chakra up after the fact, sure it's possible but we don't know that.

lol, no, its not different. Naruto and Minato's base chakra levels barely matter here. They are both drawing off of half of Kurama's power, both Kurama's hand them chakra to enter Bijuu Mode with every time they want to enter it, yet Naruto can use 6-7 clones while using the Kurama Avatar but Minato can't even make 1? Lol.

When you create a clone you split your chakra. The difference between minato & naruto here is that an uzumaki can create more clones than usual because they can afford to split it up more times. My point is that we don't know if minato can activate BM while having his chakra split up, or vice versa. His chakra pool may not be large enough to maintain BM while it's divided.

Even if that is true, the moment his warp is over and he's fully entered the dimension, he'll be felt for that very brief time between him warping in and then him becoming intangible, so Minato will still know where he is regardless.

At that point do you really think minato has enough time to react & counter getting bound? When obito enters the avatar all he has to do it activate the seal & leave, getting noticed after entering the avatar doesn't help.

Until its too late?

-If Obito warps in out of Minato's view, he'll be sensed before he becomes intangible/

-If he warps in Minato's view, it still doesn't matter as he needs to be tangible to attack him, and if he becomes tangible, he gets killed.

@Bold: Not sure if I'm misunderstanding the point but there's no way that minato's going to notice obito before he enters the real world, as it's never been done before & feeling a presence is the same thing as sensing it. A sensor should also be able to sense just as well if it was possible to do so.

So yeah even if minato senses obito before he becomes intangible, it's too late by then because he'll already be activating the seal.

The Avatar is transparent. If Obito is floating up the foot of this thing, they will obviously be able to see him.

I highly doubt minato is going to expect obito to appear from under the foot.

If Obito enters from the foot, how is he going to reach Minato without teleportation anyway? Last time I checked he couldn't fly, and I'm pretty sure you can't walk, run or jump when inside a giant mass of chakra.

He doesn't need to reach minato's body, the avatar can be bound instead which makes it easier.

Which is based on nothing but the fact that there is a possibility of such a case occurring for someone else, who made many more clones and has less chakra. :|

As I said we don't know if he can afford to split his chakra pool up whilst maintaining BM.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Obito doesnt need to impale the avatar or attack from outside, the point of impaling something with the rods is to make contact, then once contact is made the seal can activate. If obito is inside of kurama, then he's touching it which means all he has to do is activate the seal.

Lol So yes the rods would activate inside of the avatar, there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to.

Here naruto almost got bound from simply grabbing the rods with his chakra tails, [

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] if obito already has them inside minato's chakra then what's the difference between that & impaling?



But my point still stands, we don't exactly know the limits to minato's power, we've seen him in BM but we have no idea if he can afford to split his chakra up after the fact, sure it's possible but we don't know that.



When you create a clone you split your chakra. The difference between minato & naruto here is that an uzumaki can create more clones than usual because they can afford to split it up more times. My point is that we don't know if minato can activate BM while having his chakra split up, or vice versa. His chakra pool may not be large enough to maintain BM while it's divided.



At that point do you really think minato has enough time to react & counter getting bound? When obito enters the avatar all he has to do it activate the seal & leave, getting noticed after entering the avatar doesn't help.



@Bold: Not sure if I'm misunderstanding the point but there's no way that minato's going to notice obito before he enters the real world, as it's never been done before & feeling a presence is the same thing as sensing it. A sensor should also be able to sense just as well if it was possible to do so.

So yeah even if minato senses obito before he becomes intangible, it's too late by then because he'll already be activating the seal.



I highly doubt minato is going to expect obito to appear from under the foot.



He doesn't need to reach minato's body, the avatar can be bound instead which makes it easier.



As I said we don't know if he can afford to split his chakra pool up whilst maintaining BM.

Naruto's avatar has made contact with obito's rods several times without being restrained by it. He even at one point used chakra arms alone and threw them back at him. The only time it did restrain him it's when naruto himself touched the rods.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

making up feats for transformed bijuu mode Minato?

Alright, Obito has everyone of his bijuus use kaumi :|

What feats?

S/T barrier isn't science fiction.

 

[Draphsin]

Naruto's avatar has made contact with obito's rods several times without being restrained by it. He even at one point used chakra arms alone and threw them back at him. The only time it did restrain him it's when naruto himself touched the rods.

@Bold: I posted that scan, [

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] the rods were starting to bind naruto's chakra arms & obito even mentioned that naruto threw them before he could activate the seal.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

@Bold: I posted that scan, [

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] the rods were starting to bind naruto's chakra arms & obito even mentioned that naruto threw them before he could activate the seal.

I stand corrected. There's still a time delay though.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What feats?

S/T barrier isn't science fiction.

Apparently he can't use tbb and st barrier at the same time....

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Apparently he can't use tbb and st barrier at the same time....

He can just use a clone.

 

[miromiro]

Nothing suggests that Kamui's sucking speed increased so everything u have been doing is nothing more than an assumption.No intel Minato canonically countered Kamui so it is not going to work on him.

Obito clearly said that "Next time I'll get him faster" It's basically the same way Kakashi's Kamui works. At the beginning, he was struggling to take Deidara's arm for seconds, now he takes instantly a whole human body, even more.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Obito clearly said that "Next time I'll get him faster"

Which somehow makes it a feat?

 

[Avinash012]

Obito clearly said that "Next time I'll get him faster" It's basically the same way Kakashi's Kamui works. At the beginning, he was struggling to take Deidara's arm for seconds, now he takes instantly a whole human body, even more.

He said that because Obito didn't tried to warp him right after touching him,he did it after saying a few words and next time he'll try to warp him without that kind of delay.In Kakashi's case we have clear indications of Kamui being faster but in Obito's case there are none.We have seen 30Y old Obito fighting Danzo's dogs and using the same ability but still I can't find any difference in speed.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He can just use a clone.

U kno how many times I told him that?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

@EJ: You know how deadly the jins are.

And people are still using Tail Beast Bomb arguments. They're making Obito look bad lol.

 

[AGoodBoy]

9 pages. Minato must be really amazing, his vs threads are always so long. Damn.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

If obito uses all 6 Bijuu at once, Minato can't beat them. Half Kurama = to 2,3,5,6,7 tails. If Goku got involved, they would be slightly stronger than him,

 

[pateuvasiliu]

9 pages. Minato must be really amazing, his vs threads are always so long. Damn.

Nah, just a lot of haters.

Half Kurama = to 2,3,5,6,7 tails

Who lied to you?

Half Kurama -BEAT- all of those and that was Naruto who doesn't have FTG and S/T barrier.

 

[VongolaX]

No one is making up feats.
He makes the clone in base.
Then goes bm. Simple.

Don't be but hurt about this.

That's the same sh*t

How can he have two bijuus of the ninetails?

So minato has this special Justus that allow him to multiply the ninetails transformation?

This literally would of been helpful over 15 chapters ago :|

 

[VongolaX]

Nah, just a lot of haters.



Who lied to you?

Half Kurama -BEAT- all of those and that was Naruto who doesn't have FTG and S/T barrier.

I guess this guy missed Hachibi...

Sanbi would of steam rolled him if not for bee.